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Random personal notes

Thanks and appreciation for offer and membership

I just wanted to let you know that I am grateful for being a part of the LGBT project thing. By the way, how did you know I am interested in this type of political stuff? I just want to know. I am honored as a straight ally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tawniz (talk • contribs) 23:56, 2007 August 11 (UTC)

  • From Me Too: Thanks! Fixed my sig, joined LGBT project, even snagged your code for my nonexistant-now exists user page. haha Hated I had to lose my rainbow sig. :[ Eh, I guess I will live! Peace and elbow grease! ALLSTAR ECHO 00:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wagner Project

Hi. I wonder if you have time to give us some advice? We are now working on a an assessment system for the Wagner Project as a kind of pilot for the opera project.

I created a banner for the Wagner project (Template:Wagner) using the code you created for the opera project one. Is it possible to correct it so it works for a manual assessment system? (Maybe the 'auto' part should come out?) Thanks and regards. -- Kleinzach 10:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Kleinzach! I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for here. When I take a look at that banner, it looks great! And on a page that uses it, for instance Talk:Das Judenthum in der Musik, it looks like it's working just fine. What is it that needs to change?
The "auto" parameter is usually put there just in case a bot adds the banner, for whatever reason. If it's not included, it doesn't do anything. For example, anyone can (manually) put the code {{Wagner |class=Start}} on a page and it will add the banner. Or is there something I'm missing here? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, STN. It seems best to cut out the middleman and clarify the problem which I reported to Kleinzach. I'm test-driving the Wagner assessment system, and I'm dealing with pages that already have the banner. I've worked out that I can add "|class=stub", "|class=B", etc., to the banner manually, and that this will produce the little mauve or yellow or whatever box under the picture showing my assessment. However, other projects' assessment systems use a banner which has a default statement saying something like "This article has not been rated on the Project's quality scale", which can be changed manually once the assessment has been carried out so that it says something like "This article has been rated as B-Class on the assessment scale. See comments [where "comments" links to a sub-page of the Talk page] for details." There are several examples at Talk:York. I've glanced at the code for Template:WPCities, but it all looks very complicated, and furthermore is laced with dire warnings, and my eyes started to glaze over. If you can explain how I can add these statements manually, or, better, if you could update the template to look like the Cities one (but omitting the importance-scale stuff) so that I only need to add the assessment and my comments when I deal with each article, I'd be eternally grateful! Hope this makes sense. Best. --GuillaumeTell 17:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha - so what you're looking for is for that right-hand phrase that shows up for WP:CITIES (and tons of other projects), but only if there's a rating. If there isn't a rating, do you want the "???" on the left and the statement "This article has not yet received a rating" - or even the expanded version from WP:CITIES? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's the one. And Yes to the "???", etc., but no to the expanded WP:CITIES version of it. (And I'm sure I can trust you with the "intricate features of template syntax", which gave me collywobbles just reading it.) --GuillaumeTell 21:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Monday - poke me if I haven't done it :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Poke . . . . prod . . . . poke . . . . -- Kleinzach 00:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doh! Thanks :) How does this look? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It looks absolutely fine to me. Thanks! --GuillaumeTell 13:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks great, however I'm wondering if we need special wording for Ga and FA since they aren't awarded by the project as such. How is this usually managed by other projects? -- Kleinzach 14:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't look like other projects do anything different for those. Take a look at Talk:Ernest Hemingway for example. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, then that isn't a problem. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 08:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing the banners. -- Kleinzach 00:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
NP - glad to help :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about this, Satyr. I've been away, but I've just previewed Talk:Das Liebesverbot, having put Class = Start into the Wagner banner there and changed auto to No, and it looked fine, except that there was no reference in the revised banner to a Comments page. I didn't spot this on Tuesday, I'm afraid. Looking at Template:WPCities, I see that there is an "#ifexist:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments |See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|comments]] for details" there which isn't in Template:Wagner. I've now created a short dummy page Talk:Das Liebesverbot/Comments in which to deposit my comments. I had one attempt at putting the above "#ifexist..." text into the Wagner template at what looked like an appropriate place to get the comments link displayed, but it wasn't a success and I undid it. Best leave it to the expert, I thought, so here I am again. Hope you can fit this in when time permits and that it isn't too much trouble for you. You can test it at the Das Liebesverbot Talk page if you like. (I've refrained from actually updating the banner on that page with the Class, as I want to do that only when a link to the comments page is provided as well - and, of course, when I've provided some actual comments!) Best. --GuillaumeTell 16:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Guillaume! The code on WP:CITIES shows two options - if the comments page exists, it prints "See comments for details." And if the comments page doesn't exist, it prints "(If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)" Do you want exactly that same thing? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer just the first option, so that, if the comments page doesn't exist, it doesn't print anything. Incidentally, if an article is rated manually as a stub, I'd assume that the comments option would be available there, too, but not if "Stub" had been allocated automatically - is that right? --GuillaumeTell 10:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can do the first option. The existence of the comments page is independent of the auto-ness of the rating, so the "See comments..." line will show regardless of the rating and how it got there. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, do you mean that if there is a comments page for any article rated Stub, then the "See ... comments ..." will appear in the banner? That's OK by me. --GuillaumeTell 21:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, if there's a comments page for *any* article, no matter the rating, then "see..." will appear. Is that all right? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely! TIA. --GuillaumeTell 09:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Alrighty, then! Got it - take a look at Talk:Das Liebesverbot vs Talk:Lohengrin (opera) - the first has the comments, of course. Do you want that formatted different? It sort of gets hidden in there. I guess you can handle formatting though :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
With some trepidation, I moved the "See comments" stuff within the Wagner template so that it somes after the description of which rating has been assigned rather than before, and the result is now at Talk:Das Liebesverbot. Can't work out how to insert a space before "See", however. --GuillaumeTell 22:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Azito

Hi there. I dropped by the article and noted your request for a source for the LGBT Actors category. I've provided a citation from Andrea Olmstead's Juillard: A History, which mentions Azito's cross-dressing right after Houseman's exasperated quest for more "strong, heterosexual boys" in the acting program. Don't know if that's sufficient or not, but, to my knowledge, it's all that's available. Lector —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 19:08, August 26, 2007 (UTC).

About the John Doh (Jon Doh) and Tawniz pages

Since I just started my "Bwjs" page, please get rid of my other two old pages I used to use, John Doh (moved from Jon Doh) and Tawniz since I have nothing to do with them anymore. Thank you very much. I appreciate it a whole lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwjs (talk • contribs) 15:33, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Roberto De Luna

De Luna belongs in the "gay artist" category and I believe that means he belongs in the "LGBT people from the United States" category. What is a "BLP violation". I modeled this entry on many other gay artist wiki's to keep it consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobyspinks (talk • contribs) 09:44, 2007 August 28 (UTC)

Hi, Toby! BLP stands for Biographies of Living People. What it means is that Wikipedia has to be even more careful about information on living people than people who have passed on. So if any information in a person's article could be considered controversial, it has to be properly sourced and referenced.
You and I may not consider Robert De Luna's sexuality to be controversial, but unfortunately policy says that it is.
What that means is that for De Luna to stay in the "Gay artists" category, we've got to have some reliable source that says he's gay. Books and news/magazine articles are perfect sources. His official website isn't as good a source, but it works. If you know of one of those, let me know either here or on the article's talk page (or add it yourself to the article) and we'll all be good.
Thanks for writing - and happy editing! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a PS - when you add a comment to a user's talk page, it's best to use the "+" link at the top of your screen, or to add it to the very bottom. And when you're finished writing, you can "sign" your post with four tildes - type "~~~~" and it turns into something like: SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks SatyrTN. De Luna is referenced in Blade magazine which is a gay publication that writes about gay events and openings in New York City. It doesn't reference his gayness but his inclusion in this magazine pretty much "outs" him. Just as an FYI: I've noticed on other wikis (Bruce Weber the photographer for example who is happily married but rumored to be gay) that the gay artist category is mentioned without a reference and while I know it's not good to point fingers and say "they aren't doing it why do I have to" I am going to say it anyway. This is a relatively small artist who I happen to know personally though his gallery owner Peter Halpert as gay. I am now adding the Blade reference which should be sufficient to out him. I will use the "+" link from now and and also the tildes. Could you please respond to me by using my talk page in the future (which will be easier when I use the tildes I'm sure). There is no action point at this time. Tobyspinks 19:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the unsourced cats from the Weber article, Toby. If you spot others, do the same. Be bold! --Orange Mike 19:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok Mike. Thanks. I have some other references that I will be adding to the Roberto DeLuna page. I respect your help to make me a better Wiki editor.. Tobyspinks 20:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While Orangemike is totally correct (according to WP:BLP policy), I'd like to point out that the LGBT WikiProject is in the middle of researching (and making sure they're sourced) every LGBT person's article on wikipedia. Feel free to help out if you're looking for something to do :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Further inspection reveals that the article you cited does indeed out him - the first paragraph says "three quality solo exhibits by queer artists," and then it names him as one of the three. So that's a perfectly good source to have! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help! Cheers. Tobyspinks 04:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanks

Thanks for your work with PW Judaism - you saved us much time cutting and pasting. --Bachrach44 19:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NP - glad to help! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your bot

Keeps adding WikiProject Judaism templates to Israeli political parties. I don't think this is particularly merited, especially for decidedly secular parties! Number 57 08:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I shall let them know. Number 57 08:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of LGB people/W-Z

Well done. The plan is coming to fruition (and mostly because of you). I bought you some rock on the Isle of Wight anyway, mind me sending it? A token of my admiration. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Awww! That's awesome!!! I'll send you an email :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SatyrBot and WikiProject Paranormal (questions)

I'm wondering what cues SatyrBot uses to identify articles for inclusion on Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal/To do list full. I looked about a bit for details of the bot, but was not able to find this detail. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 18:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ceyockey! The bot uses WP1.0's system of categories, in this case all the sub-categories of Category:Paranormal articles by quality.
Thanks for reminding me that I need to put some documentation together for that function of the bot, especially since six different projects are using it. :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see if I understand—If an article has been tagged by members of the WikiProject (or on behalf of same) with a WikiProject banner, it is placed into the "articles by quality" category (regardless of whether or not an assessment has been made); thereafter, if any one of several templates is added to that article, the Bot will detect this and add a link to the appropriate section of the "To do list full" page. Is that correct? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's correct! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Replies

  1. Nowhere near, I'm lazy and there's a hundred people to go. :)
  2. Didn't really notice the lack of women, but I can check.
  3. Will do.
  4. You can't have been checking in on the channel because I'm logged in there 24/7 and I notice when peopel log in and out. Liar. :) And I should be there. I'm there now, in fact.
  5. I believe the reference I used said it was disputed. If you can find a unambiguous one, do change it.

=) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, newsletter here. Can you think of anything else to put in it? If not, just send it out, we're not doing very well on the activity thing... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I did ask you to four days ago actually... :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 07:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doh :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Umm...

Could you maybe give me some pointers, as to what I could work on? I wanna help out with the LGBT project, but I just have no idea where to start... Lychosis T/C 23:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oo... thanks for the advice! Whatcha mean about two names, though? I don't get it... Lychosis T/C 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhh... someone did my signature thing for me, I guess they musta missed that part. I am in no way connected to that Warrush fellow. Never even heard of him 'til ya told me 'bout him. :3 Lychosis T/C 01:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, I'mma take a look at this stuff you said to look at. Thanks again for the advice. Maybe you can teach me how to do this stuff a bit better, as I'd like to contribute more, overall. :3 Lychosis T/C 01:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Um, so, hey. I'm kinda dumb, and I don't quite understand this. I'm tryin' to read those instructions, but I just can't get my head 'round what I'm supposed to do. If you can help me understand, I can probably get lots of them done in my spare time, I think. :3 Lychosis T/C 02:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bot revision

Would it at least be possible for the bot to put {{ChicagoWikiProject|class= |importance= }} to make things a bit easier?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 11:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! I made that change. Let me know if it doesn't seem to work. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bot

I was saying you were using

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Categories&oldid=154254756 for the categories for the bot to do and that you plan on removing and/or transfering the categories i specified on the talk page of WP:JEW correct?--Java7837 00:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Map of Hillsborough County, NH

Hello again after a long time! I was just editing the New Ipswich, New Hampshire, page, and noticed for the first time that a big chunk of the town is missing in its map depiction in the town infobox. Digging a little deeper, I found your name in the history of the image (Image:Hillsborough-New-Ipswitch-NH.png). If you were the creator of the Hillsborough County maps, would you be able to fix them so New Ipswich is a proper parallelogram? You can sort of tell from the green-shaded Hillsborough County in the same image that the southern and western lines should be straight. Is this an easy thing to do? Thanks, and keep up the great work! --Ken Gallager 12:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grr :) Since the same error appears in all Hillsboro County town/city maps, I'm working on re-creating them with the fixed border. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ken - I need your advice. Take a look at this image and let me know which way you think works best for highlighting the town or city. The red, of course, is the way all the other counties are, but I kinda like the embossed green - and it ties in to the state map well. Thoughts? SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Logic, philosophy, etc

Greetings again,

I have revamped the philosophy banner so as to include fields. I have a proposed category list for most of the task forces listed on their pages. For the Metaphysics, Epistemology, Aesthetics, and Ethics task forces, I have a notice posted on the talk page of each of the categories.

As far as logic is concerned, I have proposed that each math and phil have separate worklists. The proposal is to remit the proposal to auto-tag to the math and phil projects respectively. I think the folks at WP:PHILO are a lot more easy going. Also, I have pared down the category lists quite a bit.

Perhaps, in a week, I will be forwarding to you a request to tag just the ethics, metaphysics, epistemology and aesthetics categories. The discussion has been going on for a bit now on WP:PHILO, and I have been enlisting support from the key players.

Can the bot also handle just a list (rather than work through categories)? The list of philosophers seems as comprehensive as any collection of categories.

I am also trying to plan things so as to have the least work for the bot. All analytic and continental philosophy is also contemporary, so two tags at once will save effort there, etc.

I just wanted to give you an update as to these plans. Be well, Gregbard 11:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Gregbard! Thanks for the update! Don't worry about "the least work for the bot" - it's a bot, so it can handle it :) It can handle lists instead of cats, thought cats is easier. It can even handle banners with work-groups (like {{WPBiography }}
So thanks for the update - sounds like a plan is coming together :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the request I mentioned above. There is a list of categories which consists of transclusions from each of the fields' task force pages. I am requesting that the bot tag just the ethics, metaphysics, aesthetics, and epistemology fields. They will need respectively the tags: {{philosophy|ethics=yes}}, {{philosophy|metaphysics=yes}}, {{philosophy|aesthetics=yes}}, and {{philosophy|epistemology=yes}}

There may be some that overlap. in that case, I hope you have an easy time differentiating between getting a whole new tag or just inserting the |field2=yes part next to any |field1=yes type of situations. If there is anything I can do to make it easier, let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregbard (talk • contribs) 14:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your patience. P.S. I immediately flew that flag on my page as soon as I discovered it on yours. itmf indeed. Gregbard 14:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Gregbard! I stole it from Jeffpw as soon as I saw it on his, so pass it along :)
A couple questions for you:
  1. Do you want me to automatically assign FA or GA status if the article has achieved those levels? And Stub status if there's a {{stub}} template on the article? Those are the only three assessments the bot can determine with any degree of success, but it saves some time for your assessing if I do that.
  2. What do I do if the article already has the Philosophy banner?
  3. What do I do if an article is in multiple cats - like if it's in Aesthetics *and* Metaphysics?
And a comment - this is a tiny bit beyond what the bot was originally programmed for, though by no means outside it's reach. To complicate things, I'm in the middle of a complete rewrite of the bot. I can either program this project and have it go, *or* if it's not too much of a hassle for you, would you mind if I waited on your project until I'm finished the rewrite? I'm pretty sure I'll be done in about a week, though there's an outside chance it'll take two weeks. Let me know if that's too long to wait.
Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings,

  • Setting the stub, FA, and GA status automatically would be wonderful.
  • If a page already has the banner, if it is possible to insert into it the |field=yes indicator, that would be wonderful.
  • Articles may be in multiple fields and multiple cats. If this is the case, if it is possible to insert into one banner the |field2=yes right next to (or beneath I guess) the |field1=yes, that would be wonderful.
  • This proposal is at your convenience. It wouldn't hurt anyone to wait. (...and I will try to keep telling myself that since I have been looking forward to it so much.)

Thanks again, Gregbard 00:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Jackson

Colin Jackson isn't gay?? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 13:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hunh? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Corzine

As we discussed on the bot's talk page, the bot is making an error here. Please fix your bot. Christopher Parham (talk) 11:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice. I'm interested in starting an entry for Carla Katz, what do you think? --NYcThUgg 05:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jos Brink WAS Gay

Hi Satyr, is saw you reversed my categorisation as LGBT of the Dutch TV and theatre personality Jos Brink, beacause is not sourced in the article. The English edition refers to the Dutch original, where his homosexuality is mentioned, because it has been a widely known fact in Holland for decades. So I take the liberty to reverse your reversal. Greetings, --BertSen 16:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you had noticed that I did provide a reference in Dutch, from the Dossier Jos Brink of the Dutch National Library. This is a reliable and permanent source of reference on the web.

By the way, you are a sort of LGBT monitor and you added a reference from a Dutch newspaper to Robert Long (singer) at September 6th. Can you read Dutch? And even if you can, do you know that this source of information has the same status as the National Inquirer in the USA? Is this up to Wiki-standards? The other links in that article seem OK to me. regards, --BertSen 17:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Claire McNab

Hi, not sure why you have changed Clare McNab from Australian to American.. she refers to herself as Australian, every book makes a comment about returning to Oz to renew her accent.. she certainly does not call herself an american writer. Suefidler 17:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dolan

You're welcome. And thanks for your help on the Dolan article. I started writing it because his name has been coming up in political articles of late. SDC 00:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicola Griffith

It's me who done smth incorrectly! Would you please add crime fiction under genres in infobox and change Category:Crime fiction writers to Category:British crime fiction writers if appropriate. Henry Merrivale 04:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And in the morning when I woke there was no Antonio
Just some money that he’d left for the memory of me
And oh my beautiful guitar, that’s what really broke my heart
Had been stolen by the two-faced low lothario
Charlotte Hatherley xx Charlotte Hatherley 05:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rainbow flag

Hi! About the problem in tehe discussion page of the article Rainbow flag, I decided to retire some Wikiprojects banners that can't be consider in the talk page since for example: Rainbow flag (gay movement) or Wiphala articles exist... Imagine that every little stub include in the Raimbow falg article would have their Wikiproject banners, it would be at least 10.... so the solution is to keep neutral the article and refer only as it is: rainbow flag. Now, I would keep the Wikiprojects banners, but if in the future the banners increase, I would consider seriously to delete most of them and keepp only the Flags Wikiproject banner. Well, thats it, and sorry for my bad english. =) Salu2!--Kanon6917 14:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • OK!!!, but that is in case a single article refers to many wikiprject, for example the article about Peru includes the Wikiprojects about: Peru, South American, Countries; all the article can refers any of these projects, but it the case of Rainbow flag, it's significance for the wikiprojects is in the little sections about the many uses of it. Well and as I said before, we will see... how it works in the future... ^^--Kanon6917 14:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the invite

Hi, I was thinking of joining. I've always wanted to join a secret society, but none of them would have me, so I have several questions before I do anything rash....

  • Are there dues?
  • Do I get a membership card? Does it include discounts?
  • Is there a secret grip or handshake?
  • Is there a clubhouse for members only? (Nothing like keeping out the un-anointed)
  • Is there an initiation? (The more homoerotic the better)
  • Does this include membership in the Gay Cabal, or is that a higher honor?
  • Is it anything like the Raccoon Lodge in the Honeymooners?
  • Do we have to follow the Gay agenda as dogma, or is there some wiggle room there?
  • Is it a chapter of the Illuminati or Rosicrucian Order, or anything like that?
  • Do I have to take the Purity Test?
  • And if the Purity Test is necessary, is high or low purity required?
  • Do we have a float, and get to (have to) march in a Gay Pride parade?
  • And REALLY REALLY important, are there dues?

Sorry for that, my sense of humor goes off the wall every once in a while. I kinda got sucked into the LGBT debates because of the crap and POV pushing I saw, although it certainly permeates other areas as well. Now I seem to spend more time manning the barricades than working on articles. Seriously, what prompted the invite and is there anything to the project other than (I assume) generally making it easier to work together on LGBTQ areas of interest? — Becksguy 21:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Reform and the WikiProject Council

You posted a response to me on the Council talk page in which you referred me to discussion at WikiProject reform. I noticed that page was tagged historical (though the policy on historical articles doesn't seem to support that tag), and the discussion there abruptly died several months back. What's the deal? I would like to discuss the issues being discussed in both places further - so in that respect I am accepting your offer of help - though I'm not sure what you were suggesting I "take a swipe at", nor where you propose we discuss it. Please clarify.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 22:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that last night User:Ned Scott removed the historical tag and replaced it with an essay tag. Much more appropriate. I guess part of what puzzles me is why this isn't part of the Council? From my point of view, and I am quite new to everything, the Council is nothing more than a project on projects, sort of "WikiProject_Project", others seem to see it as more and to some extent as intrusive. To me, it seems like doing this stuff outside the Council pages is duplicative and risks people not being involved - I had no idea about this discussion until you mentioned it to me. Those who think the Council is something more than a Project on Projects need to realize that to the extent they don't have consensus, they don't have anything. I think that between the information put out on MfD, the information put out at Category:Inactive_WikiProjects, the information put out on the Council's pages, particularly in the Guide, and the reform page (and there are probably others), there is a really mixed message as to if and how projects go away. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 17:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess my reasons for thinking the discussion should take place within the Council is that editors need to know these things when starting a project. If one is an editor looking to start a new Project or Task Force one would most likely look to Wikipedia:WikiProject, at least that's where I went to first and I think that's where WikiProject takes one. That page references three wikilinks for "creating and maintaining" projects, all of which are part of the Council. Again, I am new to the Council, but to me it is merely a project on projects and thus it seems like the most appropriate project to bring the discussion under. However, I agree that {{cent}} (not WP:CENTwhich is just the page that discusses the process of centralized discussions, I believe) is an appropriate process to use, wherever we do the discussion. I am leery of trying to revive a discussion that completely died over two months ago at reform and I am concerned that bringing the discussion outside of the Council risks the Council adopting a different standard in the Guide. As someone new to the Council I have no particular attachment to it, it just seems that there is no reason not to work with it, rather than risk working against it - and that by working with it, we could actually improve it. I am open to convincing otherwise on that matter though. BTW I have posted more comments on the Council's talk page under my earlier comments - mostly answers I was for the most part forced to find myself.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 21:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Satyr, please also see my comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council.2FInactive_projects which are on a related topic - that's at the bottom of the page our discussion originated from, thanks - What if we brought the discussion to John Carter's new inactive projects page (I know, it's part of the Council - but again, I don't know that this is a bad thing) and posted {{cent}} notices on MfD and the Village Pump about this discussion? This would ensure that John was a part of the discussion, which at the very least would support consensus on the topic.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 21:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This topic has been picked up on a centralized discussion reached through the template {{cent}}, please join in there.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SatyrBot

It was recently brought to my attention that SatyrBot has tagged WikiProject pages as inactive in the past. This task is not currently listed on the bot's user page and no request for this task has been approved by the BAG. In contrast, ClueBot II (talk · contribs) has recently been approved to automatically tag inactive WikiProjects as such. Therefore, you may wish to remove that functionality from your bot, if indeed it still performs that function.

Thank you! — madman bum and angel, on behalf of the BAG. 05:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Madman! I haven't run that script since May, and it's not on a cron, so you're welcome to it :) BTW, a less friendly person than myself might wonder at all the bot scripting you've "taken" from me! :) :) :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hm? ClueBot II isn't mine. But thanks anyway.  ;) — madman bum and angel 05:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doh! Silly me! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
:) — madman bum and angel 05:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inactive projects

Agreed about Esperanza. For what it's worth, I think in time, as I complete the list, there will probably be a separate section for "rejected" projects, and it might fit in well there. Part of the purpose, like I said, is to let editors know some ideas that have already been found to be bad ones, so that they don't get repeated. John Carter 13:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT wikiproject

I was looking at this and looked at Joe McDermott (politician) and saw the reference that he is indeed an LGBT person, so I deleted his name from the unsourced section is that the proper thing to do, delete them after they are sourced? Ctjf83 06:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do i got about sourcing Wikipedia:List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/To be sorted? Do I just type them in a search engine, with the word gay, and see what comes up, or is there a better, more reliable way to do it? Ctjf83 16:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is clear, and it does sound like a lot of work for free LOL! But I'll try it, anything to further the LGBT cause! Ctjf83 16:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles over LGBT-Persons

Maybe you can have a look on that articles and give them a better english. I speak good enough english but my english writing is not so good as it should be.

Greetings from Germany, GLGerman 05:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! I'll be glad to take a look at them - probably tomorrow. Thanks for asking! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern

Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 16:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Love Sick (film)

I just added an Awards section with sources. ALLSTAR ECHO 01:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sig

I don't think the box would take all of that code anyway. It cut my code short on previous edit attempts. It looks great though, and thank you! ALLSTAR ECHO 01:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NP :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jari Sillanpää, gay or straight?

Hi Satyr, I had never heard of this man (I plead guilty to not watching the Eurovision Songfestival).

I can read German and French as well, but not Finnish or Swedish; however, I can just figure out that the Finnish and Swedish (and even the Japanese!) Wiki mention the same talk show where this singer came out in February 2006. His official website, which you probably viewed already, does not mention it on the English pages. You will have to contact someone in Finland. regards, BertS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BertSen (talk • contribs) 07:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carlo Boszhard

About you removing the 'personal life' section from that article: First let me say that you can probably shoot down any source I can come up with of him being gay for being unreliable. However, I want to point out that we're not talking about contentious material! So while caution should be used with these sources, I don't think you should just remove them because they're not 100% reliable.

De Telegraaf indeed isn't the most reliable newssource, but then again, any real paper probably wouldn't mention his relationship with the contestant from the show. I've found an interview in the gossip magazine "Party", where he talks about being gay, but again, not a reliable source. I've got a biography on carloirene.nl where his relationship with Eloy is mentioned, but though the site seems to be approved of by Boszhard (he writes a column there), I don't think it's an 'official' website, so again you could call it unreliable.

The second source, which you claim to be about a different person, is very much about Boszhard. But then again, you could argue that it's not a reliable source. The third link is indeed about some other person, but that's because I was making a statement about that other person, not about Boszhard. nield 09:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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