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Categorization

Regarding editing the categories, I'd like to point out Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories. Since High-IQ is under Category:Giftedness and Category:Psychometrics, both of whom are under Category:Intelligence, the latter is unnecessary. I think that if the HiIQ cat is used, then either Gifted or Psych but not both should be used, since HiIQ is in both already. -- Avi 17:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My point was only that if an article is already under a sub-category, it does not need to be under the parent category, unless there are extenuating circumstances as described in Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories. I think that if an article is in Giftedness, it does not need to be in Intelligence. I could see though that an article could remain in Giftedness, even though it is in High/IQ. That was my point and opinion. -- Avi 19:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Image:ISPE.jpg listed for deletion

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You asked on the image description page why use of this image in userspace is not allowed. Please see WP:FAIR for the relevant policy on fair use images. Wikipedia's goal is to have completely free content. Unfortunately, sometimes this is not possible. For example, if you are talking about a television show like Star Trek, you may need to use a copyrighted screenshot in order to identify what it is you are talking about. In such a case, the copyrighted image is used for an encyclopedic purpose. The benefits gained from using the non-free image outweigh the concern of having non-free images on the site. User pages, however, do not serve an encyclopedic purpose. With userpages, Wikipedia gains no benefit from having the non-free image. Thus, they are not permitted. I hope that helps explain the issue. BigDT 19:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FYI Mega Society Judgement

As you may have heard the Mega Society article was deleted awhile ago, at the end of an acrimonious AfD/DRV process. There is a wide divergence between deletion policy (as defined by various policy guideline documents) and deletion practice, as implemented by admins (who claim to be following the "spirit" of the law). Consequently there are lessons to be learnt from the experience, which will not be obvious from reading the guidelines. Here are some tips for future conduct:

  • Single purpose users are frowned upon and were a frequent bone of contention during the AfD and DRV processes. So I urge you all to "establish" yourself as Wikipedians: create, edit and even ... delete articles! There are plenty of articles that need attention.
  • It is a very good idea to put something on your user page, (it doesn't matter what) to avoid showing up as redlinked users -- being redlinked will count against you in any debate.
  • When voting, include brief reasons which are grounded in policy (votes not backed by reasoning may be discounted; too much reasoning will be ignored).

Given the bias against soliciting (see judgement) I may not be able to contact you again, so I suggest you put the Mega Society in your watchlists.

The closing admin's comments on the Mega Society:

Within the argumentation of the debate, the most significant point raised by those who supported the article was that a new draft was available. The article is not protected, so this may be posted at any time and (assuming it is not substantially similiar to the older version) it will be judged anew on its merits. This is good news for you.
The bad news for you is that it is well-established practice within Wikipedia to ignore completely floods of newer, obviously "single-issue POV", contributors at all our deletion fora. I'm among the most "process-wonkish" of Wikipedians, believe me, and even process-wonks accept that these sorts of voters are completely discountable. Wikipedia is not a pure democracy; though consensus matters, the opinion of newcomers unfamiliar with policy is given very little weight. Your vote, that of Tim Shell, and that wjhonson were not discounted. The others supporting your view were. I promise you that it is almost always true that, within Wikipedia, any argument supported by a flood of new users will lose, no matter how many of the new users make their voices known. In the digital age, where sockpuppeting and meatpuppeting are as easy as posting to any message board, this is as it should be for the sake of encyclopedic integrity. It is a firm practice within Wikipedia, and it is what every policy and guideline mean to imply, however vaguely they may be worded. (I do agree that our policies, written by laypeople mostly, could do with a once-over from an attorney such as myself; however, most laypeople hate lawyers, so efforts to tighten wording are typically met with dissent.)
If your supporters were more familiar with Wikipedia, they would realize that, invariably, the most effective way to establish an article after it has been deleted in a close AfD is to rewrite it: make it "faster, better, stronger." This is, in fact, what you claim to have done with your draft. Good show. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So the outcome was not entirely negative, although I was disappointed by the admin's rather cavalier approach evidenced by the response to my enquiry:

.... why did you discount the votes of, say, User:GregorB or User:Canon? They are not new users, nor did I solicit them. I presume by Tim Shell you mean Tim Smith? ...... --Michael C. Price talk 16:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

to which I received this rather off-hand reply:

User:GregorB offered a very brief comment not supported by policy. User:Canon did take the time to offer analysis at DRV, but he had been among the first voters at the AfD to offer a mere "Keep" without explanation; therefore, I assumed he had been solicited by someone. Best wishes, Xoloz 15:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

which didn't fill me with confidence about Wiki-"due process".

Anyway, my grumpiness aside, the Mega Society article, is presently under userfied open-development at User:MichaelCPrice/mega, and will reappear at some point, when (hopefully) some of the ill-feeling evidenced during the debate has cooled. I am very heartened by the article's continued development, and by the development of associated articles. Thanks for everyone's help!

--Michael C. Price talk 14:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Civiq Society

Hi. I saw that you removed the notability tag in the Civiq Society article. I have contended the notability of this society in its talk page (please read it), supporting the view of the editor that originally added the tag. My opinion about this is flexible, (if there are lists of Pokémon characters and X-files episodes, maybe high IQ societies deverve their place in the encyclopedia). However, I still feel somewhat uncomfortable about this article. My question is: what distinguishes Civiq Society from 

   * Cerebrals    * Colloquy    * Elateneo/s Society    * ePiq
   * Giga    * Glia    * HELLIQ    * HPS    * IQuadrivium
   * ISI-S    * ISPE    * Mega Society    * Mega International
   * Mysterium    * OATH    * OLYMPIQ    * PARS    * PGS
   * Pi Society    * Sigma    * Superdotados Intelectuales
   * TNS    * TOPS    * Ultranet    * Vinci    * Club Telegenio
   * Mega Foundation    * WIN    * MILENIJA    * StrictIQ Society
   * Vertex

that makes the Civiq Society deserve its inclusion in the encyclopedia in a whole sepparate article, while all the other societies are (deservedly?) "ignored", except for the small mention in the High IQ society article? As I explained in the talk page of the Civiq Society, the societies with a whole article Prometheus Society, Intertel (group), Triple Nine Society, and International Society for Philosophical Enquiry partially share these two characteristics: they have been quoted by external sources (such as newspapers) and they have more members (perhaps from many more countries). All of them are more than 20 years old. Even the new, (and less notable?), International High IQ Society has supposedly much more members. When reading the article, I noticed that besides the "Background section", the article apparently doesn't add new information beyond what it's already stated in general in High IQ society. This gives the impression that the article could potentially be merely advertising or self-congratulatory material. This is a harsh opinion, I know, but I think that this article should be improved, or it should be reduced, or it should be deleted. If it remains like it is today, the notability tag shouldn't be removed. This is just my opinion, of course, but I wanted to share it with you, who probably knows more about the subject. In any case, I would like to mention that I had felt curiosity about several high IQ societies and high iq tests in the past, and despite the fact that I often looked for information about these subjects in the net, I had never visited their website and I didn't remember the name of their society when I read the article. Perhaps an interesting suggestion could be to write or to expand the list of the high IQ societies in high IQ society with a few more details for every "minor" society, (the kind of details that are mentioned in the Civiq Society article). Respectfully, Another Wikipedian 04:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I agree with you. I belong to all the societies above with the exception of TNS and have worked on all the web pages. I started working on the web pages because of the "perceived" attack against the HiIQ community. I don't think there is anyone available to fix the Civiq page at this moment and personally I have no objection to it's deletion if it does not get improved. I think your last suggestion of improving the gateway page is interesting. Perhaps under the category Hi IQ societies, we could have "stubs"? A small blurb about the so-called "non-notables" this may be appealing to all. On another note, as you may or may not know, I am the one who added "pantomath" to the polymath page, I saw you were involved in some of those discussions.Tstrobaugh 20:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox_Secondary_school

Acreditation isn't working on Template:Infobox_Secondary_school check out Lansdale_Catholic_High_School. Thanks for any help.Tstrobaugh 00:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tstrobaugh. Many thanks for your notice. I indeed made an error on the accreditation parameter when converting the template. There was a pipe missing (argh!), which I fixed. Apologies. I adjusted the call on the Lansdale article accordingly. Cheers! --Ligulem 08:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Re:International High IQ Society

Hi there. As long as a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion is going on, the AfD tag must not be removed. At present, there is such a discussion going on here. Only when it closes do we remove the AfD tag. Heimstern Läufer 01:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Lisa Nowak - Shipman

Heya, I put my thoughts on the talk page. Gwen Gale 17:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

High Schools

Did you see this? Category:Roman Catholic secondary schools in Philadelphia --evrik (talk) 13:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:High schools in Pennsylvania, so there should be no problem there. Yes, Category:Roman Catholic secondary schools in Philadelphia isn't completely correct. I was thinking of making a name change nomination to Category:Roman Catholic secondary schools in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. --evrik (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism, edit warring and potential 3 RR warning I am going to put everything back the way it was beforee you started making changes this morning. After that, if you haven't already done so, I will post a discussion at WPP:PA. --evrik (talk) 18:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Block

Hi Tstrobaugh, you have been reported for 3RR violation on West Philadelphia Catholic High School, and I have blocked you for 24 hours. Please take the time off to review our WP:3RR policy. You seem to be a good editor, so I am sure you can make some adjustments and continue to edit productively and collaboratively within the system. Please email me or any other admin if you have any questions or comments. Thanks for your undestanding, Crum375 00:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Wallace W. Rhodes

Actually, I thought the reasons for the creation of the article were ancillary to the subject's lack of notability. I apologize if my prod reason was unclear on that. Since you removed the prod, I will take the article to a formal AFD later today. Cheers, Skinwalker 15:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't think you had an agenda. The Rhodes article was created by banned User:Paul Hartal, presumably in order to bolster his list of "notable" alumni from Columbia Pacific University. He made many more articles of this type, most of which have been deleted as non-notable. The deletion prod is used to mark abandoned and/or uncontroversially nonnotable articles for deletion, hence, I assumed that it was appropriate for the Rhodes article based on this user's past performance. Articles whose notability is contested are taken to WP:AFD for a full debate over their merits. I added the bit about moving to AFD since this is the usual step after the prod is removed. I'll let the Rhodes article sit for a few days - please try and come up with some notable references. Cheers, Skinwalker 16:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Plexiglass

Your change to acrylic glass on (the soon to be deleted) Overclockersclub is fine, but plexiglass is absolutely acceptable as a word, regardless of being derived from a genericized trademark. Deiz talk 15:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The American Heritage Dictionary lists Plexiglas and cites the variant plexiglass as having been used in The LA Times[1], while Princeton University's WordNet is also happy with it.[2] I would find it hard to believe you've never seen or heard plexiglass used generically on TV or in other media. Trademarks do not have to be "lost" to become genericized, simply used commonly by people to refer to a given type of product or service which has usually gained a dominant share within its market. You can read more at Genericized trademark. Nice one, Deiz talk 02:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is plexiglass used as a generic term to describe acrylic glass and similar materials? Yes. Beyond that, I think I'm done here. Deiz talk 14:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Plexiglas

The use of a trade name as a generic or familiar term is quite common, see Kleenex, Scotch tape, etc. I work in the aviation industry and I can assure you that plexiglas, plexiglass and any variation thereof has long since passed into the common aviation lexicon. FWIW, lighten up on your tone, this is supposed to be a fun thing, IMHO. Bzuk 17:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Plexiglass (sic)

Copyedit form my talk page" Sorry you don't like my tone. You reverted without discussing the issue on the talk page [3]. On my page you said:"I work in the aviation industry and I can assure you that plexiglas, plexiglass and any variation thereof has long since passed into the common aviation lexicon". I read this as you assuring me that the "aviation industry" is incorrectly using the trademark Plexiglas® and on what authority I'm not sure. My edit summary said "plexiglass" is not a word. Even without WP:COPYVIO and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(trademarks) there is simply Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles#Pay_attention_to_spelling. If you can find a dictionary that includes "plexiglass" then I will get into why it is trademark violation, but for now it is simply a spelling error.Tstrobaugh 17:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually if you're interested in these planes there is a history to how Rohm and Haas initiated the acrylic cockpits. See:[4], I'm not opposed to using Plexiglas® where appropriate.Tstrobaugh 17:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. To explain my first edit, since I was the primary author of the piece, I reverted with an explanation in the edit commentary mainly because I did not believe that the one word edit required a longer or more thorough explanation in the discussion page. However, I can see that you have a real interest in the subject/issue and I appreciate your efforts to maintain the correct use of a type of material/process. As for the use of the word "plexiglass" (sic) in various aviation and other sources, a quick check by Google will pull up a variety of dictionary definitions or dictionaries that include the word in that and other variations. I presently work as the Executive Director of the Manitoba Aviation Council, an umbrella organization of aviation interests including fabricators and repair facilities. Without doing a scientific study or intensive survey of my members, I can safely reiterate that the word, term, process and official/technical designation, trade name and such are now all irretrievably intertwined. After reading your explanation, I have endeavoured to maintain the original meaning of the word in the article but since I am an aviation writer by trade, it was inevitable that colloquial and commonplace nomenclature has seeped into my vocabulary over the years.
This is not capricious, but now you have tweaked my interest, just how did "plexiglass (sic)" creep into modern usage? I will also follow up on the development of acrylic glass in aircraft canopies. My background is mainly in aviation (flying, piloting, related history) but I am interested in background on aerospace fabrication and construction. FWIW Bzuk 18:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I assume you are an engineer, or at least an "engineer type", do you read Dilbert? That's how, stupidity. Did you ever play the game Chinese_whispers? Ever see what's on Snopes? As relating to trademarks, ever order a Rum and Coke (or do you say Pepsi, or the generic "cola")? There is a Saturday Night Live bit about "no Coke, Pepsi". People are lazy, they don't care about accuracy, why should they really? However as an engineer I'm sure you pride yourself on accuracy. Again Plexiglas® is currently a trademark, See [5] and [6]. Trademarks are lost due to court cases, see aspirin for the famous aspirin case.Tstrobaugh 18:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Remember, I am not disagreeing with you, merely pointing out that the word has somewhat morphed into a colloquial form. Granted all of the following dictionary definitions are derived from the "non-standard" variety, online references and the like, however, here goes:

Dictionary definitions: www.thefreedictionary.com/plexiglass, dict.die.net/plexiglass/ , www.answers.com/topic/plexiglas-plexiglass, www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/p/p0374200.html ,www.rplastics.com/plexintro.html, dict.die.net/molly-guard/ , medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/plexiform, FWIW Bzuk 18:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I suppose I should have said "legitimate" dictionary, with the internet now you can find anything, whether true or not. I was thinking more like Merriam-Webster or OED, I know you won't find it any paper dictionary. Although I do see they are starting to list it as a trademark (improperly spelled) in Bartleby (here they are quoting the LA Times misuse of the term as a source?) similar to die. So now I might have to qualify my claim with an explanation of what a Reliable Source is.Tstrobaugh 18:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I enjoyed that, BTW, I am a professional librarian, and entered the aviation world through a very unusual route. I have spent a lifetime, "faking" it with sundry aviation technical and professional types. FWIW Bzuk 19:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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"Amazon.com Sales Rank: #485,881 in Books" This does not indicate that term Intelligent Design is known popularly by the POV term "Intelligent Design Creationism". It is clearly POV. What is the Author's intent? Is it your contention that most people say "Intelligent Design Creationism" or do just people with a POV say it? If it is your contention that it is known by the general population as "Intelligent Design Creationism" then I will withhold my edits. So far I only see that it is your contention that this author and yourself hold this view. Tstrobaugh 21:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Filll's previous transgressions

[7]

That's not a transgression. Since Wikipedia allows me to do pretty much what I want on the talk page (there are some rules), and I didn't get annoyed by Fill, why should you? That is, it's not your business. Thank you for your consideration. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 23:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Talking about what is or is not your business, I didn't say anything about what you could or could not do on your talk page, could you give me the same consideration? Thanks.Tstrobaugh 10:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Material that is meant to smear or defame other editors is probably not what is covered by any such understanding or interpretation of existing wikirules. --Filll 12:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If ever such material arises here please let me know about it immediately. If you are referring to the word "transgression" perhaps you could tell me how you take it's meaning or how you are being defamed. It seems to be against policy to do the above infraction as stated here Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable "As a rule, don't edit others' comments, including signatures." If you give me a minute I'll be putting up some other "transgressions" and then we can talk about all of them.Tstrobaugh 14:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is certainly a bit out of control. Filll (or anyone) can format something on any page, and besides, it really doesn't concern you. It's beginning to look like Wikistalking if you're going around checking/critiquing/finding fault with his innocuous edits -- it's one thing to want to figure out where a person's coming from, another thing to start posting alleged violations on your user page just to make a point.
Look, the Phillies got to the post-season, the Flyers are hot, and the Iggles have pulled out of bigger holes than the one they're in. Besides, it's a nice, balmy 76 degrees today, so it's time to chill. •Jim62sch• 18:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"I'm glad to see you think:"Well, this is certainly a bit out of control. Filll (or anyone) can format something on any page". I'm sure you will now support my right to edit my talk page as I see fit. That was your point wasn't it?Tstrobaugh 18:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)" -- copied from my page.[reply]
So much for being Mr. Nice Guy (lesson to self: this is why you don't do nice). Editing your talk page as you see fit is fine -- so long as you aren't going out of your way to smear someone, which certainly appears to be your intent here. Besides, being a tablehead, I'm sorry, member of Mensa, I should think you'd have the requisite intelligence to discern the difference between adding formatting and taking a cheap swipe at someone, or engaging in vandalism, or being tendentious, or taking a cheap swipe at someone (oh, I'm sorry, did I mention that already?), etc. I'm not sure what your real problem is, but in looking over your "contributions" to the IC talk page it certainly seems that you're quite keen on creating a disturbance, which, as I'm sure you can puzzle out is bad form on Wikipedia. Not sure if your behaviour of late has been an instance of an ideopathic cerebral cryopathy, or if noetic necropathy is setting in, but you really might want to reconsider your stance. Just some helpful advice -- ohm, there I go being nice again, won't I ever learn? •Jim62sch• 18:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, at least I got a rise out of you -- that's good actually, it means that you're willing to talk. Your first post on my page seemed rather sarcastic, but as we both know, sarcasm and plain speaking don't always translate well in writing (unless one is intentionally sarcastic like I was above). However, I really don't understand what you're trying to accomplish either on the IC page or here: I'm not sure how the IC page dispute helped anything, and showing Filll editing the talk page of a user who doesn't care doesn't make sense. So, what are you trying to accomplish?
As for Mensa, you do realise that you have a Mensa template on your user page, yes? In any case, I declined to be part of Mensa because it was insufficiently elitist. •Jim62sch• 19:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(ri)I'll have a look at the Prometheus Society, certainly a little closer to what I tested (173) than is Mensa. But then again, having a high IQ doesn't mean one doesn't have their "stupid moments" -- hey, that's be a cool club, "Folks with high IQs who nevertheless can be really stupid on occasion". I'd join.  :)
OK, item one: IC page. I saw what you left on TSP's page; what precisely is it that "they" are not understanding? •Jim62sch• 20:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Stanford-Binet, probably, but I was 12 at the time and never thought to ask that question. As I said, I can still be incredibly stupid at times. My mom might know what the test was, I'll have to ask her. I don't know when you grew up in Philly, but at the time I went to school, the MG program was still a "test program" and I wasn't tested until I'd skipped a grade, consistently scored 99th percentile on my Iowa's and CATs, finished 6 years of math in 4 years, and was in "accelerated" classes. But, I was always two grades ahead of where the MG program was being offered, so I missed out on it. Boo-hoo-sob.  ;)
Anyway, yes, I think censorship sucks, although I'm wary of libel and slander laws, so I'm a bit careful with what I write or say. On the other hand, I don't like some of what goes on on Wikipedia where items are removed from a user page because they're potenially "polemical" (see my user page history).
OK, so is the entire argument covered by the stuff that was moved to your user page? I'll look through it. •Jim62sch• 21:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please keep this conversation to one page? I can't following this fucked-up conversation bouncing from user talk to user talk. I'm wearing out my mouse. My IQ proves that the US Navy recruits the smartest officers. Maybe I have cognitive dissidence.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or dissonance.  ;) In any case, to the actual issue: The one ref could be moved to the creationism side of the sentence, or it could refer more specifically to the judge's comments re the scientific community, or both (i.e., a double ref to Kitzmiller). Nonetheless, the judge's comments are germane in that they explain his reasoning in finding ID (and it's component parts) to be creationism. •Jim62sch• 19:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disengagement

Your proposal to disengage from discussions at Talk:Irreducible complexity is welcome, and I've carried out an overdue archiving of that talk page. Please be aware that repetitive argument against consensus can be seen as disruptive editing, as can a refusal to accept that under NPOV: Making necessary assumptions arguments should be dealt with on the main article which provides detailed analysis of the topic, and not repeated on related articles. .. dave souza, talk 18:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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