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Hello DEZnCHRIS,

I have noted your support for the issue of including the non-Western perspectives on LGBT issues. One editor has also called for changing the Western concepts of these issues, and indeed there is considerable dispute even within the Western world.

Do you think, some of us can get together and press for these changes more aggressively, since there is apparently an aggressive LGBT attempt to deny space to other voices.

regards (Masculinity (talk) 04:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]


I think, I may be handling this rather roughly. If you agree, there is another editor, Taeda -- both of you can take it ahead from here, while I will remain in the background and give you guys support. My skills are more in putting together the needed inormation than diplomatically countering opposition. (Masculinity (talk) 17:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I think only Paul B has problems with the UNESCO document. No one else has found it problematic. In any case, its a UNESCO document. So, even if we don't use it as a base, it does have a couple of things very outrightly said, which is missing in other references. So, I suggest to use it at least as a back up, while gathering as much of other references, especially anthroplogical studies as possible. (Masculinity (talk) 18:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Everything that I have used as reference has been sourced from the internet. There's a whole lot of list, and I can get a hundred more such things. The URL's of those documents, I have provided in the talk area on Gay article, as well as on the article "non-Western concepts of male sexuality". If you have any problem accessing any of those documents, just tell me and I'll give the URL again or copy the matter for you. (Masculinity (talk) 18:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Also, its late at night in India, and I've to go to office tomorrow. So, I'm going to sleep, but please do what you can, and I'll catch up tomorrow evening (here, there it'll be late afternoon I guess)(Masculinity (talk) 18:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

^ Re-Orienting Desire: The Gay International and the Arab World, Review of Joseph Massad’s book: Desiring Arabs from the site: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1679743 Quote: “Massad's point, though, is this: In the Arab world, men who have sex with men are, for the most part, not "gay", and need no liberation from prosecution. They are not "gay" because "gay" is a Western identity that The Gay International has attempted to thrust upon them.” “Western gay-rights groups are causing great harm to those they purport to assist by forcing them to either choose the Western "gay" label, or choose not to realize their true sexuality.”

This book brings out the frustration that is building up in the non-West about the concept of Gay. (Masculinity (talk) 02:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

It is my pleasure to meet you! Please know that the anonymity of a format such as this sometimes tends toward discourteous interchanges. These are quite unnecessary. I welcome you to the Emerging Church article which I have worked on with many others (mostly emergents) for several years. This is not my article it is the consensus of many editors from a variety of perspectives (mostly emergent). Your input is certainly welcome but we should work according to Wikipedia guidelines. Be at peace my brother. There is no need for anyone to get emotional. I have posted a response to your latest comments on the discussion page. I hope you will consider these comments. I have ended several (not all!) vigorous dialogs with emergents by being friends with emergents. Two emergents that I consider friends to this day have emergent blogs. I can assure you, however, that we did not start out on a pleasant note, just as it seems you and I are not. I hope that we can establish a friendly relationship. I'm on pretty good terms with Gold Dragon and respect him as a person. I welcome his return to the article and look forward to working with the two of you. I only want the article to be a true encyclopedia article which deals with issues according to Wikipedia policies. Forgive me if I act like a jerk at times and I will forgive you if you do the same. God can use us to hammer out a carefully worded article that is precise and accurate. Sweeping edits and deletions are not the way to go however. The Wikipedia way is to work on one issue or statement at a time, refraining from personal attacks and focusing on article content. God Bless.Will3935 (talk) 22:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DenZChris, to be frank, I think the changes you have proposed are far too watered down, and may not really mean much... but I can live with it, if at least a link is provided to the page I'm making on "Non-Western concepts of male sexuality". I thknk, nevertheless I'd still make my reservations clear on the talk page. (Masculinity (talk) 16:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I have given certain credentials for the book "Masculinity for Boys" on the page that Agnostic has created to discuss its validity. Can you read those credentials and see if you can support its inclusion. Although, if you think that should be done at a later date to avoid controversy, that's o.k. too.(Masculinity (talk) 04:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I think we are really quite close to a compromise on the article's contents. It seems to me that the biggest difference we have at this time is whether it is appropriate to say that Evangelicals see the Bible as supporting propositional evengelism or if we should say some Evangelicals interpret the Bible to say that. One possible compromise is to say that conservative Evangelicals see the Bible as a support for propositional Evangelism. I'll try that and you can see if you like it. I moved the Driscoll quote to the criticisms section. Believe it or not several editors from the Acts 29 network raised cain a couple of years ago that the article did not sufficiently distinguish them as "emerging but not emergent." They are the ones that insisted upon constructing that section. I do see your point, however, about the quote seeming to belong in a criticisms section even though it is coming from a prominent member of the movement whose goal was to preserve the movement's image by distancing himself from more radical elements. I suspect one of these editors may at some time object to the Borg quotes since he is quite radical. BTW, I am not blown away by anyone's meeting in pubs or bars. I do not even think it is a sin to drink in moderation (although the denomination I am ordained with forbids me to do so). I have never objected to EC practices. Really. My only differences with EC is with the theology that its epistemology often allows for. I disagree with some of this theology. Some emergents can live with my disagreement and some cannot. I can find no reason why theological disagreement should cause discourteous and hatefull dialog. That seems to me to violate what EC and Evangelicalism stand for. I look forward to working/haggling with you on the article as we progress. We both have biases. The Wikipedia way is that when we come to compromises the content is usually neutral in point of view. Believe it or not that is all I ask for -- an accurate and neutral article. Blessings.Will3935 (talk) 05:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I really didn't think you were guilty of sockpuppetry. I sometimes forget to log in before making edits (I forget a lot of things) and that's what I thought happened. Thanks for clearing that up though. Now I know that editor was not you.Will3935 (talk) 05:51, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


DEZnCHRIS, can u send me ur email at masculinity@indiatimes.com. I don't think as of now its any use debating this issue further. (Masculinity (talk) 17:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

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The April issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is now available. Dr. Cash (talk) 03:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what you are refering to specifically regarding a source tag and a big box. Is it still there? The only boxes I see are quotation boxes. If you see something sloppy feel free to fix it.Will3935 (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed some of your templates....If you are a member of the WikiChristiananity Project Thing-a-ma-jig some of those templates could be found unChristian. Such as the support of legalizing gay marriage.With all due respectWikimichael22 (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Wikimichael22[reply]

There is disagreement within Christianity on that issue. Also, participation in a Wikiproject about a religion does not necessarily imply agreement with religion. (I have no idea whether AL is Christian and am not saying anything about that.) Aleta Sing 21:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's funny. When I read the first sentence, I thought, what is he talking about? And my first thought was that it was because I had one that said I drink (alcohol). I forget sometimes that some people think like this. Wikimicheal22, I hope one day you'll rediscover Jesus all over again outside of what others have said about Him. And you'd be wise to notice that He can show up where they would least expect. I know atheists doing more to "further the kingdom" (make the world a better place as intended) than most Christians. And yes, I am a Christian. Affinity likely•Hello• 03:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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