User talk:Elonka

Dejeuner ...

... was ruined because I had to run home to fetch Duchene and Contrucci. I cannot help you with the caption. The fort of St Jean was rebuilt following Louis XIV's imposition of order on the City of Marseille. Glad to see you've found a new hobby. (Duchene and Contrucci cost me 32 € and is very heavy.) Mathsci (talk) 12:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

LOL! It wasn't that urgent, I didn't mean to take you away from your croissant.  :) But thanks for the quick work! The Great Plague of Marseille article also desperately needs sources, if you'd like to add something there.

As for the image, what struck me is that it said it was "built on the Knights Hospitaller". Modesty aside, I guess I'd have to list myself as one of the current Medievalists on Wikipedia, which is why my interest was piqued. I was one of the key editors in bringing Knights Templar to FA status, and I have some passing acquaintance with the other military orders, though most of my attention at the moment is on the Franco-Mongol relations towards the end of the Crusades. Anyway, that caption struck me as being a bit off. My guess is that it's supposed to say "the ruins of the fort of the Knights Hospitaller", but since I'm not familiar with the sources, I didn't want to make any radical changes. Hopefully someone else will figure it out within the next few days; if not, we should probably rework the caption to something easier to understand. Do you think this might have come from a tourist brochure? I guess we could dig through the history to find out who added the information, and see if they're still around! --Elonka 12:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

At some later date I can go and check in situ. I doubt it came from a tourist brochure: it was quite a curious thing to add. However, like the Abbey of St Victor, it would not surprise me if the committee for the reconstruction of Marseille, set up by Louis XIV, had ordered the demolition of an older building, leaving only the foundations for the new fort. My history book refers to "la commanderie des Hospitaliers de Saint-Jean" buried in the foundations (Page 333, Duchene & Contrucci), so that seems completely to confirm the caption. After all, the committee destroyed the town walls and ramparts along the rue d'Aix. I haven't checked the French WP page on Fort St Jean, but there might also be something useful there. I have located two sources for the Great Plague of Marseille (one from JSTOR in English), both of which could be used to expand the article. There are also more images on the French WP site than the one I've added. In Aix-en-Provence the Benediction des Calissons is said to date from the end of the great plague (I think), a religious ceremony in early September to mark the deliverance of Aix. It takes place metres from where I live, in the place St Jean de Malte. Mathsci (talk) 17:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is a website which contains the info in the caption. Mathsci (talk) 17:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the research! So looks like "command post" is the proper translation. Care to do the honors?  :) --Elonka 17:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry to hear about your loss.

I don't think it's correct to translate "Commanderie" as "command post", with its modern connotations, just as Hospitallers or Hospitaliers (Knights of St John of Jerusalem) have no modern equivalent. These are anglo-norman terms from the Crusades. As the footnote now indicates, Marseille became a stopping point on the Crusades after the visit of Richard I on the 3rd crusade. The wikilinked articles discuss the detailed way that nobility and religious institutions in the South of France organized involvement in crusades. Raymond de St Gilles, the rich and powerful Count of Toulouse and and self-declared Marquis of Provence, had rallied the "nation" of Provence around him for the crusades; but, with its own Commanderie on the Mediterranean, Marseille "the rebel" started to play an independent role. Mathsci (talk) 07:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I just looked up Commanderie on the French WP[1]: "a commanderie was a monastery belonging to a religious and military order from the middles ages". The english word, i.e. anglo-norman word, is Commandry. Mathsci (talk) 08:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sophia Bekele

Dear Elnoka--- sorry to keep troubling you. the article I completed on the article has this message below every time I open it. Could you pls advise on what it is and why it is there? also , why would the warning state that article would be deleted if it is not edited? Thanks so mcuh!!

"This article or section is in the middle of an expansion or major revamping. You are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well. Please view the edit history should you wish to contact the person who placed this template. If this article has not been edited in several days please remove this template. Consider not tagging with a deletion tag unless the page hasn't been edited in several days."

Lashford (talk) 13:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Elonka. Please note that this page is not finished being edited. Like you advised before, I was hoping to work in the user area before moving it for publishing. It seem now that it is appearing in the searches. Can you please correct? or advise how I can do it? Thank you.

Thank you Lashford (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I went a deleted the article'names' that refere to the NAME, which your colleage Hobartimus suggest that i do not NAME it if I do not want it ti appear in google. I notice all of these under your userId can also be seen. So I did. tx. Lashford (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Elonka---- you are back!... thanks for resuming editing. I was worried I lost you! I was away for a while, but i will look at your edits and advise with you if any corrections to be made! I am still confused where I should be doing this chat! hmm Lashford (talk) 21:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Best place is at Talk:Sophia Bekele. --Elonka 23:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you from Horologium

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed unanimously with the support of 100 editors. Your kindness is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Wizardman, Black Falcon and jc37 for nominating me. — Horologium

Condolence

Sorry to hear the sad news. Squash Racket (talk) 04:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I add my own expressions of sympathy: you are assuredly the most helpful, disinterested, civil and — if it isn't too politically incorrect to put it this way — sweet administrator I have yet encountered. (I would say it if you were a guy too.) Masalai (talk) 08:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, they mean a lot. :) --Elonka 22:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Trevor Lyman

An article that you have been involved in editing, Trevor Lyman, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trevor Lyman. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice?

Courtesy note

Hi Elonka, I'm just dropping you a note because I previously said I would take a look at Dirty Dancing; however, I will not be getting involved with the article. --Laser brain (talk) 23:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. --Elonka 22:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:-(

I was going to leave a note about lectures starting in 30 minutes... but ..

Saw the note at the top of the page. My condolences. --Kim Bruning (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry I couldn't make it, I'll definitely read the capture though.  :) --Elonka 22:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Your comment

Regarding your comment here, while I sense you don't really want to engage the specific points, I do feel very strongly that nobody shouldt worry that they're jeopardizing their future with Featured Articles by making criticisms of it. I speak from much self-interest here -- I've clashed fairly often with Sandy, Tony (especially Tony), and others whom might be identified as FA regulars -- I've never found any of them to be vindictive about it, but I don't want to tacitly participate in a system that stifles criticism or I'll soon find myself sidelined as well. So I want to offer this sincerely, if you find yourself going through a content process and feel as if the process has become retributive, please seek me out. I'll be more than willing to raise hell about it on your behalf. --JayHenry (talk) 00:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but weren't you also the person who threatened that anyone who opposed the nom, should be blocked? That kind of thing, even though you may have meant it in a humorous fashion, can be intimidating. --Elonka 01:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I struck the comment as soon as I read your oppose. It was intended completely in jest, but when I saw the sincerity of your oppose I realized I had erred badly in making the joke. I was looking at Jbmurray in the context of our need to welcome those editors who can help bridge the gap between academia and us. The issue of cliquishness was not one that had occurred to me when I made the comment. --JayHenry (talk) 01:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see you did, sorry, I was behind the times. I'm just coming off a wikibreak, so am badly backlogged. Thanks though, I do appreciate it. And yes, I have had multiple run-ins with the editors you mentioned, both directly,[2] and by them sticking up for each other (or Jbmurray).[3] I've also been hit with a "one-two" punch on an FA nom, where one editor opposed my nom,[4] and within 30 minutes (before I even had a chance to respond), the nom was then closed.[5][6] Those kinds of things are what have led to my "cliquishness" opinion. --Elonka 02:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre

Elonka, I'm sorry to bother you about this, but it looks like Sceptre has not actually disengaged. In an AN thread concerning a block review of TTN, Sceptre started a subthread on me (oldid). Could you please take a look at this? If you think another admin should look at it, I'd be happy to contact someone else. I reported TTN to AE after reading a comment at WT:AFD where Masem linked[7] to a post TTN made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. After my report to AE, TTN was then blocked for two weeks by Vassyana. --Pixelface (talk) 13:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Elonka, if you have no problem with it, I plan on replying to Sceptre in that thread. Do I have your permission? --Pixelface (talk) 21:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I haven't read the thread, but my feeling is that if he (or anyone) brings up your name anywhere, I would say that you are completely within your rights to reply. Do what you can to keep things from escalating, of course. And best wishes.  :) --Elonka 22:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your reply. Thanks. --Pixelface (talk) 06:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Question

Is there a place where editors post articles that are getting an FA-push so that more editors are aware of it and can pitch in if they know anything about the subject? Valtoras (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Depends on the topic. Sometimes all you have to do is mention a topic, and you get a bunch of editors to help, and sometimes you can beg and grovel for weeks, and no one will help.  ;) It's usually worth posting at a related WikiProject, or maybe a "parent" article's talkpage. --Elonka 21:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The reason I ask this is because I'm thinking of bringing the topic of starting a WikiProject, which would be basically a list of articles that somebody (or a number of people) is trying to bring to FA-status. The point would be to bring more editors who are either kknowledgeable about the subject, or just want to help, to the article to increase productivity. I was considering bringing it up at the village pump. What are your thoughts? Valtoras (talk) 21:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Something like that may already exist. Try checking WP:WFA and Category:Wikipedia featured content. --Elonka 21:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Logically, it probably would have. There was Wikipedia:Featured Article Help Desk, but it's inactive - besides, it's not exactly what I had in mind in terms of what it is. I'm not sure how to go about creating such a WikiProject, but I'm thinking along the lines of something where someone who is trying to bring a specific article to FA-status would submit it and a number of editors would go along and assist in editing the article, and increase productivity. The immediate criticism that forms as I throw out my idea, is that my suggeston seems to be essentially the same thing as what the FA Help Desk was, and is more improbable to actually work, given that any article could use improvement. Please note, however, that my current blueprint idea is unlikely to be the idea I take in the end. Hard for me to work with such a difficult concept, though. Valtoras (talk) 23:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Joelster

Thanks for the heads-up, Elonka. east.718 at 21:40, May 17, 2008

RfA thanks

		RfA: Many thanks
		Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process. If anything, that goes all the more for those who oppose. I appreciate the time you took, your concerns, and of course your many contributions to the project. I hope to do a good job as an admin, but will appreciate people telling me if I am not. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 06:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Lectures

Todays lecture is starting! The topic is "How source experts judge source reliability" and the speaker is DGG. The meeting location for setup is #wikipedia-en-lectures on irc.freenode.net. The lecture will be given over skype. Contact Filll2 or kim_bruning to be invited to the lecture chat also.

--Kim Bruning (talk) 15:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing restrictions

Hi Elonka, this Nmate's edit[8] clearly violates his editing restrictions. It is not very civil to call another editor "an ultra agressive vandal" and a legitimate complaint at the Wikitequette alerts "an Hungarian ethnic slander". This was done in support of CoolKoon, who was reported at the Wikiquette alerts after he called a female editor a "little pussy" and two editors "stupid" (see [9] for his original comment in Slovak). He repeated his attack later[10] and then posted another, this time less vulgar ad hominem message[11]. The editing restrictions from the Digwuren case explicitly say that editors are not allowed to be uncivil or to make personal attacks. MarkBA and Svetovid are currently blocked for long periods because they violated their editing restrictions and many of us have been punished for even less serious transgressions. I hope you will look at this case. I would like also to notify you that I may be away until the end of the week, so I will not be able to participate in the discussions on your experimental page. Cheers. Tankred (talk) 15:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)