Talk:Tomb Raider: Anniversary

Error in confirmed game elements

From the looks of the screenshots and the renders, the weapons she is carrying aren't the classic Brownings from the original games. They look more like M1911 Colt's or 1911 clones. L33tj0s 08:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Release date

I've read now somewhere that the release date is sometime in March 2007. Simply south 00:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Fresh Idea

I have a proposal. I posted some time ago an article that just doesn't fitted with Wikipedia's standards. This is my article: User:Locketudor/Tomb Raider music. I want to split it, remake it and distribued it to all Tomb Raider games. --Tulok 15:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"Classic Costumes"

Does this mean all costumes from TR1 to TRC? (Opinion here: that would be pretty cool if it were!) Ggctuk 09:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Clean up

Please guys, this article deserves a good clean up. From the beginning, contributors have written their own speculations or hearsays about the game, without caring about structure or sources. We have now plenty of online (and paper) reviews to be able to correctly write about what has been confirmed to be in the game, and to properly source it (ie not lazily put 2 or 3 external links, but create proper citations with templates, etc). Folken de Fanel 00:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

This article could also use some more screenshoots and images. --sturm 23:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Levels

since we dont have any info about the level's descriptions, how about we delete them and then add them again once we have obtained info.

Update: HELP!!! while trying to get rid of the image on remake status i think i took of alot of the Core section by accident. could someone restore the article to the point before i took the image off? Fullarius 18:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Whoops. I wrote that stuff under levels (yes, a lot of it is speculation, but if this is to be faithful, then until we get an actual level list, then I think this should be kept) Ggctuk 10:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It can't be kept as speculation as to what will make it to the final game, however we can mention what was in the original levels, without speculating about it's presence in Anniversary.

When the game is released, we'll be able to make a comparison original/remake, but currently it's useless, and as speculations aren't the aim of Wikipedia...So we've better rewrite any speculative statement, so that it won't speculate anymore about the content of Anniversary. Folken de Fanel 11:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

May we post pre-released screenshots here? Ggctuk 12:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

proper sources

Is IMDB a reliable source? if it isnt then why is it cited?

Inccorect information?

"One move they did was a fireball throw, just like the original counterpart. The trailer revealed also that the game was planned for a May release."

From the trailer, I could have sworn that the mummy just stood down from the 'looking' position and another one just blew up. Mummies in the first Tomb Raider NEVER threw fireballs and it looked like to me that the mummy simply blew up.

Could somebody verify this, or were they actually throwing fireballs (in which case winged mummies are next probably) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ggctuk (talk • contribs) 12:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

My mistake - they were throwing fireballs - not exactly faithful to the mummies in TR1, but hey, CD and EI make the rules (but I think iD's going to sue somebody). Ggctuk 16:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I could have sworn the mummies in the original game threw fireballs when they were at a distance... unless that's just in the "Unfinished Business" extra levels? Dave-ros 14:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Animation Reels - leaked or not?

An animation reel has appeared recently on YouTube, and I was wondering whether it was leaked or not. If it was, would it still be worth a mention? Content included animations from Lara, Larson, Raptors, the T-Rex (Which would point to this being leaked since EI and CD want to keep a tight lid on the T-Rex for now) the Unmummified Atlantean, and in some instances, the centaurs. Ggctuk 08:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was leaked. Not sure whether it deserves a mention. It wasn't that important.

Wondering

Isn't it important, the fact that some people worked for the music of the games. There is Nathan McCree, Peter Connelly, Troels Brun Folmann, Alan Silvestri and lot of other important names. If anyone would like to help me with the genral article about Tomb Raider Music User:Locketudor/Tomb Raider music. --Tulok 13:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I put the article on a new page with the old link redirecting to the new URL so its easier for people to find it. New link: Tomb Raider Music.

TRA on Wii

I've no time right now to work on a good way to include the info, so I'm providing all the sources necessary for you guys to create great new section on the subject, as usual ;)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/05/15/bcnsci15.xml
http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/headlines3268.html
http://wii.ign.com/articles/788/788338p1.html

Folken de Fanel 20:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Seems it was unnecessary after all ^^...Folken de Fanel 20:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Trailers

Soon we won't need the trailers section. Please focus on more important things!--Tudor Tulok 03:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

PC version?

Isnt there a PC version. My friend downloaded the game from a torrent for the pc and from what ive seen it was made for it and not just an emulator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.69.65.165 (talk • contribs) 16:40, May 27, 2007 (CDT).

Yes, there is a version for the PC. Please read the article. ColdFusion650 22:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

It says Gametap version. Its PC but you stream them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.69.65.165 (talk • contribs) 17:17, May 27, 2007 (CDT).

Ok, two things. One: sign your comments. Two: Read the article. It clearly says that there will be a PC version. ColdFusion650 01:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I am such an idiot. Sorry about that, i was looking for it to say PC and it says windows. When i look for something specific, i don't really notice other thing. And i dont have an account here so i dont know how i should sign my comments. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.69.65.165 (talk • contribs) 11:07, May 28, 2007 {CDT).

Below the save button, there is a thing that says "sign your username" ~~~~ ColdFusion650 17:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it released?

I see the release date stuff, and it even says "coming soon" on Steam, but explain how this page can exist: http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/tombraideranniversary/walkthrough/index.html

Did this guy get a leaked copy or something? --Katana314 22:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems that a lot of UK citizens who ordered on Amazon.co.uk have received the copy 2 days early...myself included! I was completely shocked! I have no idea what the explanation is...but I think it should therefore be mentioned in the article. (Check out www.tombraiderforums.com to see just how many fans have got their copy early) Jamandell (d69) 23:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Plot

I wrote the plot through summarizing some of the actual cutscenes of Tomb Raider Anniversary posted on YOUTUBE.COM. It may change as the whole plot is released when the game is released. Please contribute as necessary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.184.79 (talk • contribs) 00:52, May 31, 2007.

I went through and corrected the spelling and grammar. ColdFusion650 12:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank god for that, I was starting to see fireflies on my eyeballs after switching so many times between several windows to write the plot. However, don't you think the end part, in the boat where Lara looks at her hands-AGAIN, is up for interpretation instead of actually suggesting to the viewer what she thinks? I think it would be better if we just write it as is and leave it to the viewer on what he/she thinks. Also, on another note the Atlantis level is described in further detail than the prior ones. Shouldn't we generalize it, focusing on character development plot points? After all, this is the first story where we get to know Lady Croft. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.184.79 (talk • contribs) 10:31, May 31, 2007.

I don't care. I just fixed the spelling and grammar. Content is not what I was focusing on. ColdFusion650 15:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

First human kill

From what i know there is a little mistake in the storyline. In Anniversary Larson is suppose to be the first human victim of Lara. The problem is that Larson also appears in Chronicles (so it had to take place before Anniversary) and from what i remember Lara was killing people there already. --sturm 11:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

If you read through the plot of Chronicles, it's just a series of flashbacks, a clips show. So, that particular mission takes place before the first Tomb Raider. Other missions take place at different times. ColdFusion650 11:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes but does Lara kill anyone in that part of Chronicles?--sturm 14:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. ColdFusion650 14:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

If TRC's Rome takes place before TR1 and TRA, then no, Lara did not kill them. Because otherwise how would they be in TR1/Anniversary?? Ggctuk 08:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Im not asking if she killed Larson but did she kill other human enemies in Chronicles. --sturm 14:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

She killed people in the Russia and VCI levels, mostly dogs and wild animals (as well as statues and deceased gladiators) in the Rome levels and none in the Black Isle levels. Ggctuk 13:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Dogs, wild animals, and statues are not people. ColdFusion650 14:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The Rome plot from TRC has been completely retconned; AE makes no sense at all otherwise (as Lara has a completely different personality). MMAN 12:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Attempted Move

Whoever tried to move this article, did it wrong. They didn't actually move it properly, using the move function. But since the new title article already exists from their attempt, I can't move it to the correct title without an administrator. Please do not attempt to move this page in the interim. ColdFusion650 19:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

"Differences from the original 1996 Tomb Raider" cleanup

This section in the article needs a little cleanup. When I read it I found information of a speculative nature. I have done my best to remove some of it and add some more information, however, we need to keep speculation from this article now the game is out. Ggctuk 12:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Differences from the original 1996 Tomb Raider

I think this is a good thing to have but it seemed a bit biased towards the original game (although it's admittedly near-impossible to defend some of the deletions). I clarified some points and tweaked a few of the bits that showed a very obvious bias. I also removed some of the "other changes" (they showed the most obvious bias of all, and thing about the Mutant Lara having eyebrows just read like some pointless fan trivia thing).

I also removed the "remake status" section, as it was speculation from before the game's release MMAN 12:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Reception

WHERE IS "RECEPTION/REVIEWS" PART OF THE GAME?

Spoilers

Could someone please add spoiler tags to this. I would do it myself but i suck at editing.

And add a Spoiler tag for the section that talks about the differences between TR1 and TR:A. Fullarius 02:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

What happened at 'References'

At reference nr. 11, it says: Cite error 8; No text given.

Can anyone clean this up? Gawanti 10:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Episodic Content section

"On 18 June 2007 Eidos announced an Xbox 360 version of Tomb Raider: Anniversary. The game is split up into four episodes with the first two being released in September and the next two following shortly afterwards. The Croft Manor level will be available as a free download for each set of episodes. Purchasing all four episodes will cost 2400 Microsoft Points ($29.99 USD) and will require a Tomb Raider: Legend disc. It is the first time a full retail game will be available on the Xbox Live Marketplace. The game will also be released as a retail game for the Xbox 360 at a later date."

Is there a source for this? This is the first time I've heard of it. I know the game can be bought instore, but there is nothing to download for it. Carocat 22:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's a press release from Sci - Shrensh 23:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers. That also mentions September and as of now [end of October] there is nothing of it yet. Carocat 09:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I've done a bit of searching, and it looks like the release date for the episodic content on the Xbox Live Marketplace has been pushed back to November (Source) - Shrensh 11:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Review Response Table

I've just added a review response table, replacing the last 2 column unaligned one. Please can you add review scores as you please to compile the list. Make sure you code it properly, and don't use sites which give a score of all of reviews from multiple sites. Thanks - Breadsticks.rock (talk) 18:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Article protected?

I can't edit it. I was going to add a little bit under "Other Changes" noting that weapons now have a maximum ammunition limit that prevents the player from accumulating any more ammo. In the original Tomb Raider, the player could carry as much ammo as there was to be found in the entire game. 74.242.118.197 (talk) 03:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the article has been protected since August 2007 due to vandalism at the time. Whether it can be unprotected, I don't know. Do you have a source to confirm that? I'm sure you are correct but you need a reliable source to back it up. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 08:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure where to find a citation just to point out a minor change in gameplay mechanics. It's a pretty apparent feature you can confirm just by opening the game and checking your inventory. You could try adding it for now and see if anyone wants to challenge the lack of citation. I doubt it's of much importance. 65.6.50.235 (talk) 00:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Rewards

There is no mention of the golden shotgun or silver SMGs. This represents an oversight that ought to be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikie42 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 1 June 2008

If you can find a reliable source for it on the Internet, it can be included. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 06:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Stella's Tomb Raider site count as a reliable source? Also can I express disbelief we need to even source it. 86.131.180.127 (talk) 11:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Possibly - stick the link here and some of the other editors can take a look and see what they think. And yes, everything needs to be sourced somehow or other - personal experience doesn't count. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 18:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Righto, here;s the link http://tombraiders.net/ Golden shotgun etc under anivversery section, in the cheats/cheat codes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.45.252 (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

You mean [this link]? I'm not sure if Stella's site would count as a reliable source, but it would actually be difficult to find one explaining game features such as this. The manual doesn't make any mention of specific unlockable content, but it is infact there. You can cross-check with strategy guides and walkthroughs, but again, I don't know if they could be cited as reliable sources on Wikipedia. In this case, I don't think it's important to stress strict reliability, considering game features are more of a common knowledge. I think it's fine to simply point out that the game has unlockable rewards without going into specific detail about what all of those rewards are, but I wouldn't object to someone adding a mention about it. 74.242.120.174 (talk) 04:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

New plot

As it was stated that it needed shortening I've had a go at it. If you think its any better feel free to use it. I've trimmed alot of description out and tried to leave only key points but I think it needs someone elses input now

In 1945 Los Alamos, a mushroom cloud engulfs an abandoned town, uncovering a crystalline structure. A unidentified winged creature breaks free and flies out.

In 1996 Calcutta Lara Croft is hired by Jacqueline Natla to retrieve one piece of the Atlantean Scion. Lara succeeds in finding the corpse of Qualopec and after reading some inscriptions learns he was one of the god-rulers of Atlantis before it fell beneath the waves. Lara takes the Scion fragment and the tomb begins to crumble. Lara escapes to find Larson, an old adversary, ready to relieve her of her piece of the Scion. Lara refuses to hand the artifact over and engages Larson in a fight, and after defeating him she learns another archaeologist has been sent to look for the second piece of the Scion. Lara infiltrates Natla Technologies and learns the location of the second piece of the Scion.

Lara is then forced to race against Pierre Dupont to reach the second piece of the Scion. Lara eventually uncovers the Tomb of Tihocan, the second of the god-rulers. Pierre then threatens Lara with death unless she gives him pieces of the Scion. Lara refuses, attacking him until he flees from the tomb. However, two centaurs then awake, trampling Pierre to death.

After escaping Tihocan's tomb, Lara heads to the location of the third and final piece of the Scion. Successfully obtaining it, she connects the pieces and has a vision about the god-kings, whose third member is revealed to be Natla herself. Natla is expelled from their sacred order and condemned for unleashing Atlantis' own armies against it and trying to usher in the Seventh Age through the use of the Scion. She is then encased in the crystalline structure which was later uncovered in the blast in Los Alamos.

Lara’s vision ends as Natla takes the now complete Scion. Natla's henchman are then ordered to kill her. However Lara escapes and pursues Natla on her motorbike, managing to infiltrate Natla's boat undetected.

They soon dock to an island which is a remnant of Atlantis. Inside she meets Larson again, who tries to stop her from continuing further. Lara shoots Larson dead and looks at her hands horrified at what she has done, greatly remorseful from her first human kill. Lara finally catches up to Natla who has activated the Scion, along with the pyramid buried beneath it. Natla offers Lara a seat beside her but Lara refuses and destroys the Scion.

Natla attacks Lara in anger but Lara escapes, Natla plummeting into the lava. However Natla survives, stating that she is immortal. Lara faces off against Natla and pins her under a falling pillar. Lara escapes the crumbling pyramid as the island violently erupts. Lara dives into the sea and gets into the boat she used to get to the Lost Island. She looks back her actions were for the safety of mankind and sails off into the horizon.

81.132.45.252 (talk) 14:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

As a proposal for a shorter synopsis, this goes into a bit too much detail. Instead of explaining every single event in the game, why not summarize each episode? i.e., explain Lara's initial hiring by Natla Technologies, and her quest to explore the Peruvian regions for the lost Scion. Then just go on to summarize where Lara is going next, and give a short backstory explaining why she is approaching her new target. It may be a lot neater if you leave out details that are too specific, like "Pierre meets his fate by getting trampled to death by magically animated centaur statues," for instance. The details of Pierre's death aren't a critical concern to a synopsis of the major overlying plot elements. 74.242.120.174 (talk) 04:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's possible working proposal: (feel free to make changes)

Tomb Raider: Anniversary follows Lara Croft as she explores four major regions: Peru, Greece, Egypt and Atlantis. Initially hired by Natla of Natla Technologies to uncover a missing artifact known as the Atlantean Scion, Lara finds herself trekking vast mountain ranges and cavernous labyrinths within the Peruvian region in search of Qualopec's Tomb -- home to the first piece of the Scion. Upon uncovering the fragment, Lara becomes entwined in the internal affairs of Natla and her past as her encounters with other mercenaries hired to uncover the remaining fragments reveal a darker underlying motive.

Concerned about Natla's involvement with the Scion and its history, Lara furthers her quest in Greece, where she must race against Pierre DuPont to recover the second fragment of the Scion. In doing so, much of the Scion's history is revealed once two of the three fragments are unified, giving Lara a glimpse into the fate of the lost continent of Atlantis, and Natla's former position as its ruler. As well, the location of the final piece is revealed in the Scion's vision, aiding Lara in its ultimate recovery.

Lara then sets off to Egypt in search of the sanctuary which houses the final fragment. Upon unifying all three, the vision of Natla's past and the history of Atlantis is completed, revealing Natla's banishment from the sacred triad which once presided over the continent and its denizens. However, before having time to escape with the artifact, it is reclaimed by Natla and her minions; an encounter which Lara barely manages to survive.

Chasing after Natla, Lara finds herself within the excavation site of an authentic Atlantean pyramid. In a final confrontation with Natla, it is conceded that she was indeed the queen of Atlantis at one point in history, but was banished from the order when she attempted to overthrow it and induce what she refers to as "The Seventh Age." Lara engages Natla in a final battle, putting an end to the surfacing of the Seventh Age, and the possible destruction of humanity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.242.120.174 (talk) 04:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree that mine maybe in a little too much detail but I left the Pierre detail in because his fate is different to the original and so didn't want to cause confusion. Also I think one problem is that we have to understand and make it clear this story isn't just about the scion - its about Lara's first kill now too. I agree you've contracted the story of the scion really well but Larson's not given enough detail that he perhaps now deserves. 86.164.28.91 (talk) 19:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)