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Notes to self

Homosexuality and Political Activism in Latin American Culture: An Arena for Popular Culture and Comix , Other voices v.1, n.2 (September 1998)

Move Survey: Your Opinion is Requested

I Seek To Help & Repair! (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank You For Your Opinion

Thank you for your vote/comment

I Seek To Help & Repair! (talk) 21:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:Good article reassessment/Ali's Smile: Naked Scientology/1

There have been changes to the article and some further discussion of the issues. Any further comments you have on whether the article now meets the criteria or not would be welcome. Geometry guy 13:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Good topic?

Talk:Han Dynasty says that it is part of a good topic, but that is entirely false. It is part of a featured topic. What happened here?--Pericles of Athens^Talk 18:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Economy of the Han Dynasty says the same thing.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 18:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah! Thanks for letting me know. I was very confused there for a moment, since your edits did not seem to show any sign that you wrote "GT" by accident. Regards.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 18:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. As long as everything will eventually display correctly I will be fully content. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 18:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: closing FT & GTs

Thanks a lot! Apart from putting the FT/FTA in the wrong logs (see my contributions. The FT log vs GT log distinction appears pointless seeing as how the latter transcludes the former, but it's for the bot that does WP:FT2009), you got it all right, which is impressive! Extremely helpful.

Now, imagine how long it takes to promote a 25-article topic, fetching the oldids for each of those articles as you go... rst20xx (talk) 19:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest we get Masem to run the Smash Hits peer review immediately, and then do the promotion with that article included once the peer review has completed. Peer reviews only take 10 days so we may as well keep things nice and clean and let it happen like that - rst20xx (talk) 19:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Warmachine

About Warmachine and Category:Steampunk games. The category seems to be inherited from Iron Kingdoms. That is logical, but still we need a source or some text to link the two articles in respect with this category. Can you help with this?

Note: I've placed an identical request on User talk:Thumperward. Debresser (talk) 01:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Featured topics

Thanks for doing promotions on featured topics. Most of my wiki time has been devoted to working on Wikimedia Canada, so I've been ignoring FT, but I want it to succeed, so its good to know that there is another person out there careful enough to do the promotions right. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 01:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

LGBT Question

I'd like to start a new article about a LGBT artist. The only problem is a lot of the press I have on them is in actual magazines. How does one prove notability if a lot of the person's press (40%?) is in actual gay publications/magazines not online press. What would you suggest I do? Thanks. Swancookie (talk) 21:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

LGBT themes in mythology

Sorry about that revert, I didn't take the time to read properly. Just saw the line 'Chinese mythology has been described as "rich in stories about homosexuality"', and thought it was vandalism, just then saw what I had reverted. Sadly, a lot of additions including the word 'homosexuality' or 'gay' are vandalism. Sorry again, my mistake! -- NathanoNL [ usr | msg | log ] 09:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Jesus and John image

I have made a comment on the deletion discussion for this image [[1]] (you commented on this earlier) Mish (talk) 08:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/TNA World Heavyweight Championship/1

I replied at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/TNA World Heavyweight Championship/1 to your comment.--WillC 12:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I have expanded the article to near double the bytes. When the GAR began it was at 11,996 bytes, and now it is at 20,101 bytes. It once looked like this, and now it looks like this. I hope this satisfies you enough to change your vote.--WillC 08:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Yobmod!

And now I feel really guilty, for (a) hijacking Erotes's main page appearance with a totally lesbian hook, and (b) then being barely on Wikipedia while it was going through DYK selection. Glad to see it's now in the queue - well done! Gonzonoir (talk) 15:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Erotes (mythology)

On July 15, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Erotes (mythology), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 15:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks for that. Mish (talk) 18:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You may wish to comment here.

Talk:Persecution_of_Falun_Gong_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Requested_move_2 Irbisgreif (talk) 18:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Mathematics

I'm watching the GAR so I'll pop in when necessary. The discussion there seems to be far more constructive than what was said at the GAN and at WT:WPM, so I'll leave it be for now. If this GAR manages to help improve the article, then I'm happy. Gary King (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Richard Isay

Hi Yobmod, thank you for your edit to the article. I have to point out however that one of the categories you restored is "1939 births", although the article now states Isay was born in 1934. Personally I would tread very carefully here, as this is a possible BLP issue. Born Gay (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ja - this is what i meant when i said the article shouldn't exist. Not because of failing notability, but the whole thing is a BLP issue, and considering the claims made could easily destroy a person's career, we shouldn't be taking chances on any of it. I'll leave a note on the new user's talk - i'm guessing from the name that he is the best one to find sources.

Update: I've left a welcome message explaining we need sources. I've also removed the category that conflicted with the article for now, and changed the one useful link into a source (removing the IMDB link). I'll make a stab at translating the source too, it'll good practice :-).YobMod 09:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Mahabharata

Please see my reply. Can you please add tags and enlist issues asap, may be before a formal GAR? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see Mahabharata as well as Lgbt themes in mythology article. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

See my comment on Mahabharata about the GAR. I have an eye on LBGT myths, I still don't see the tales like Shikandi there. See LBGT discussion. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

plz read my soln on lbgt talk and give your input. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

ipc cats

You may have found a solution, by making it a subcat. I really want to avoid a fight about categories, when there are substantial issues to discuss. . DGG (talk) 03:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing :-). There are dozens of other such "xxxx in science fiction" articles (that were not in the pop culture cat), so this solution also gets all of those included too. As you say, hopefully people can now spend time improving the articles themselves (I had actually forgotten about creating the religion in SF article, whoops!).YobMod 06:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Munchausen by Internet

Thank you for your comments on my talk page. As usual, forces far beyond the actual issues in the article are clouding any improvements that should be made. If you would like to chime in on the article talk page about how to make it clearer in the lead that Feldman is the primary researcher in this field, please feel free. I did not include his name in the lead because it's a pretty short article already and it seemed repetitive to me. But I'm willing to clarify anything that needs to be clarified. Add any other suggestions you have there. Thank you. --Moni3 (talk) 10:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

LGBT themes in Hindu mythology

I will love to help in terms of bringing the Hindu side of the story, including suggestions on myths and countering any bias or faulty interpretations by bringing in other POVs dr neutrality. About Mahabharata, I am said "after the GAR (not when the GAR is in progress) ends, I will initiate a revamp taking all the points on GAR into consideration". About the main LGBT and mythology article, you need to shorten the Hindu section as a main article is present, someone may object to its length and call it a case of WP:UNDUE importance. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Re your message: Sleep? What's that? Oh, right, sleep... good idea! No problem on the reverts. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 08:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ya A DYK is possible. Do you want to nominate, or will you? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

You will be mentioned as the creator of the article, I think Nvineeth also should get the credit, if you don't mind. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

See Template_talk:Did_you_know#LGBT_themes_in_Hindu_mythology. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Bahucharadevi.jpg does not have a date or source, what is your basis of the PD status claim - please state it (source, date, original author). --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

IFES

Thank you for looking at the page, I was wondering if anyone was going to say anything about it.

Thank you for the idea on the regions, I was thinking about making pages for the activities in each region seperately, but currently I don't have enough information. I am torn: if I use a number of their own publications, I would be able to construct very thorough information on their activites and countries they were involved in; however, if I do that, that may create a really strong bias favouring IFES or opposition from other editors, that I am favouring IFES, etc. What is your opinion?SADADS (talk) 20:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Using primary sources can be difficult, but it is certainly not dis-allowed. It all depends on if you can remove any bias from the sources. As long as you are using them for only factual, non-contrvertial information, it should be fine. However, third-party sources are certainly required for proving notability. A few newspaper article or online news articles specifically about the regional parties should be sufficient. I would first add the regional information to the current article, and splitting off subarticles once sections become big enough. This gives other editors a chance to see your work before putting it in the more exposed position of a separate article.YobMod 20:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for LGBT themes in Hindu mythology

On August 22, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article LGBT themes in Hindu mythology, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 05:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone does not like Hyakinthos

I see you have been involved with this in the past. The Greek vase image has been deleted again. Do you have any idea what is going on? Haiduc (talk) 06:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be the victim of semi-automated purges at commons. They go through a list of things that fit certain criteria, and delete them without even notifying the uploader. It is back again (from a 3rd uploader), and i re-linked all the english wikipedia pages using it. If it goes again, i think just (re-)uploading here is best, with a "do not port to commons" msg.YobMod 16:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Persecution of Falun Gong

Hello. I'm contacting the people involved in the earlier discussion about changing the title of this article. A similar argument is currently being run, this time to name it "History of Falun Gong." This note was just to make you aware of this. Best.--Asdfg12345 03:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topic removal candidates/Seasons of 30 Rock/archive1

Just a note, I've finished my work and listed Season 3 at FLC. Thanks, I'd love any comments you can lend! Staxringold _talk^contribs 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for responding!

Yobmod, thank you for responding to my question "Why call it Sexual Orientation?" on the "Environment and sexual orientation" discussion page. Avazina 02:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Freddie Mercury's instruments

I left some comments on the talk page.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 06:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Ila

Are you interested in creating article Ila with me and then going for a joint DYk. You already have references for Ila, used in LBGT and Hindu mythology article, but more detail is needed for article on Ila than that in LBGT and Hindu mythology article. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I certainly am. Once the current GA is done, i'll start searching out more sources. Did you plan on starting it in a sandbox subarticle? Can you put a link here?YobMod 11:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Redtigerxyz/Ila is the sandbox link.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see you join in. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you want to add to the article before I put it on article space and then we can go for a joint DYK? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

If you can wait until tomorrow, i will give it a thorough reading and copyedit, and see if there is anything to add. But i looks good enough to go live at least, so I can also do any copyedit in its first day in article space.YobMod 16:46, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

If you can add more material to the sandbox, LGBT themes in Hindu mythology referencs like Vanita & Kidwai, Conner & Sparks, can be used to add more info and interpretations.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I want to move Ila in articlespace today or tomorrow, as I am going to busy after a few days. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

(Outdent). sounds good to me. Did you see that this was recently created?: Ila (Hinduism). The version we work on counts as a five-time expansion though.YobMod 09:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

transferred to mainspace. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

nominated DYK. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Please also check Talk:LGBT_themes_in_Hindu_mythology#Evidence_that_this_is_a_topic.3Fand [2]--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

What does this sentence mean?

Conner and Sparks write that the link to Ardhanarishvara gives LGBT people in mythology magical connotations.

I've looked at if for at least 10 minutes total, and I have no idea how to parse it.

1. What is 'the link'? What is being linked to what, and what is the nature of the link? There are no antecedents for 'the link'.
2. What are LGBT people in mythology? Is those supposed to mean gods/heroes who have changed sex or etcera'ed? Do we now refer to these gods/heroes as LGBT people?
3. What are magical connotations? What does magical mean in this context? Even more unexplained and supernatural that the sex-changes, shape-shifting, etc, that is overt in most of these stories?

I guess this means: Connotations are to be drawn (I guess) about LGBT people in mythology (I suppose) due to some link (I'm not quite sure what) between them and Ardhanarishvara (Maybe??) and the connotations are ? Magical?

Help? --Nemonoman (talk) 12:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The link is that Ardhanarishvara is a gender variant being, and as LGBT people have traditionally been regarded as gender variant (homosexuality did not exist, so gay men were thought of as being feminised men etc), they are seen as being in some ways similar to the god (i'm no expert on magic, but i know sympathetic magic relies heavily on a similarity). As gender variance comes about directly from gods intervention, they were/are also considered to be special servents of the gods. These beliefs traditionally meant LGBT people had supernatural/powers, hence why people seek their blessing for weddings etc. I'm sure a better sentence can be written, i just said "link" as it was shorter. It can be moved to the talk page for rewritting and finding more sources for detail later, if that is easiest. If i find more examples of such merged gods with "links" to LGBT people, then it sould become a more general paragraph for the patrons section instead.YobMod 12:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

As a stand-alone sentence it is confusing, and I have deleted it. Your explanation suggests a better understanding than the sentence delivers, and I hope you'll write the fuller-explanation paragraph. I'm betting you can cite it too. I think you are doing good holding back on edits during these GA edits. Nvineeth(sp?) seems pretty tuned in, and I think I'm doing some good by working over some of the sentences; many of them get awfully dense. Watching us beat up your good work this way would be a lot like watching sausage get made: Not recommended and you're smart not too watch the blow-by-blow -- but the final product should be acceptable; and if not you can revise it.

Jepp. Nvineeth (I also am never sure of the spelling!) and you are doing good work. It's not the changes i mind so much, it's that they all are coming all of a sudden, after i had waited 6 weeks since Nvineeth's last edits and i requested copyedits and comments at the involved projects (all ignored). I only submit to GA when there are no conflicts and no indications of problems, but then everyone finds problems! :-). Unfortunately, my writing is like my speaking - dozens of nested clauses and dense packing of concepts: This is why i ask for copyedits, but i think the subjects are too esoteric to attract interest. If the GA passes, i'll do i only a little more expansion, then submit to peer review to fix any new problems. Thanks again for the review.YobMod 13:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Hang in there and stay frosty -- this is very close to GA.

NEW ITEM: Same-sex sexual interactions occur, usually with ritualistic overtones, - what are ritualistic overtones?--Nemonoman (talk) 15:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Hinduism has a number of rituals in which gods or their believers will have sex: This sex is not intended for pleasure or even procreation, but has a ritual purpose, such as representing a connection between natural forces. So while Soma may masturbate into Agni's mouth, this is not a romantic liason, but symbolises religious offerings (such as foods, "soma") being burnt (by fire, "Agni"). Different sources emphasise either the sexual nature or the symbolic nature, and that the sex is part of a ritual, to different extents.YobMod 16:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Another:

During this period, Ila married Budha (the god of the planet Mercury), who did not tell his wife of her alternate existence as a man.

Who didn't tell whom what? Whose wife is whose?--Nemonoman (talk) 16:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Also: Both Valmiki's Ramayana and the Rig Veda tell the story of Ila...

In the Ramayana version, Ila bore Budha a son although in the Mahabarata...

Is Mahabarata or Rig Veda a confusion for the other version here? Is the story in Ramayana, rig veda AND mahabarata?

Ah, these sex-changes get confusing! Ila alternates between man and woman, losing his/her memory of ever being the opposite sex each time (and presumably memory of any events that could only happen to one sex). While a woman, she marries Budha. The story doesn't say what they do when Ila becomes a man, but does point out that she remains unaware of her curse, because Budha lies to her. I think the point of this is that nothing sexual or romantic occur between the 2 men, and that Ila is not a man's mind in a woman's body, but the secondary source just highlight that Budha knows about her existance as man and keeps it secret. The story itself is in the Veda and Ramayana, and then referenced in Mahabarata (which is more interested in the story of the child). I added the Mahabarata part, as it shows how the texts approach transexual parenthood (I think even today, people would argue whether a transman who had a baby as a woman is a mother or father, so the approach of calling him both has relevence to LGBT people.) YobMod 17:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Your talk or LGBT Themes Talk

I'm posting here because you say you're not watching LGBT Themes... But some of this info should probably be added to that page ...or I can mention that I'm seeking clarifications here. I understand your desire to stay frosty and away from the action, but this info should be seen by other editors, IMO.--Nemonoman (talk) 17:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem to point people in this direction for clarification, or you can copy things from here to the article talk page.YobMod 17:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey! What's up?

I saw the edit you did to Freddie Mercury's article (removing the instrument list). I mostly agree with you, but could we discuss some of it on Freddie's talk page?--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 04:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I replied!--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Me too, now.YobMod 12:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

LGBT Themes GA status

I have had a go at editing this article for clarity. Others have made an effort to improve facts, POV, etc. I have reviewed it versus GA criteria and I find that is GA quality. You can see my assessment here. I'll wait for others to comment before taking final action. My hat's off to you -- a good article on an unusual theme. Since you've taken yourself out of the loop, I'll be happy at any later time to discuss what I edited and why. --Nemonoman (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Wooo! Probably went easier without me anyway - the Shiva/Mohini/Adi paras look great! :-). Waiting for the other contributors opinions is a good idea: it will ensure we have a stable consensus to build from.YobMod 10:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Agni / Skanda fact check

Can you confirm that Connor and Sparks ref describes Agni accepting Shiva's semen. The Encyclopedia Britanica article describes the "seed" as deposited in "the fire", so it's easy for me to confirm that this is not OR, but if I suppose it's right to assure that the citation provides the reference. --Nemonoman (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Jepp. The entry under Soma in Conner and sparks has:

In Hinduism, a god of the Moon, a priest, and a divine beverage. As a god, Soma is sometimes depicted as forming a male same-sex couple with Agni, the god of Fire. In this relationship, Soma presents the offering, envisioned as semen, while Agni represents that which, or he who, consumes the offering".

Agni has a longer entry, mostly about his interaction with Shiva, but also:

"While he is married to the goddess Shava, he is primarily known for his relationships with the gods Shiva and Soma.... Elsewhere, Soma appears not as divinised semen, but as a god unto himself with his own semen, which Agni imbibes....Hindu sources stress that in this Mithuna, or ritual sexual coupling, Agni's mouth in particular, and his erotic role in general, should be interpreted as feminine."

Hope thqat clears it up.YobMod 17:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The recently added tag appears to question if Agni accepted Shiva's semen. Is this in Connor or Sparks? Or do you have an alternate reference. You seem to be Johnny-on-the-spot. --Nemonoman (talk) 17:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Skanda is the same as Karttikeya, just another name (see note 3) - i don't remeber writing that part, as it seems redundant. The Conner and Sparks source confirms Karttikeya, as in the next paragraph, as do numerous other sources. The many variations of Agni accepting Shiva's semen are covered there too.

Retigerxyz seems to have expanded on the into to Agni paragraph, i guess to make it clear as early as possible what is meant by same sex encounter, as to ascribe it to a source. I removed the name (Skanda) as it seemed so confuse the issue, making it seem like 2 different babies. I duplicated the citations used. Hope that clear it up - seems to be a case of an editor not reading the whole section,YobMod 17:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy Yobmod's Day!

User:Yobmod has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Yobmod's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Yobmod! Peace, Rlevse 00:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ila (Hinduism)

On November 9, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ila (Hinduism), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Victuallers (talk) 17:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)