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Crips,ferraz meaning of word

There is a mistake in the article I believe. In Tookies memoairs he states that crips was initially spelled "crib" and that it later evolved into the word crip because it was often misunderstood. And bloodz believe that crips are called CRabz. He also states that it does not stand for "Community Revolution In Progress" as also mentioned in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.10.11 (talk) 21:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to a National Geographic program, the gang was originally called named the Cribs because they were so young and carried canes to look like Al Capone style gangsters. Walking with canes made people think they were crippled and so the name was changed to crips. Not sure which is right but I think the statement in the article is missing a citation anyways. Also, I'm fairly sure "Community Revolution in Progress" is incorrect. Anyone with more information would be very helpful. Crushacm (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the "Community Revolution In Progress" meaning in a History Channel special on the Crips. If I could find it, I'd post a link, but sadly I cannot find it.173.67.57.52 (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crip Whistle

Could something about the Crip Whistle, including its origin, be added to this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.14.100 (talk • contribs) 19 September 2007

Entertainers with Crip affiliations

Someone needs to provide reliable sources to the section on entertainers with Crip affiliations. Other than the Christian anti-gang website cited, I can't find anything linking Afroman to the Crips, except for one lyric from the song "Back 2 School" where he refers to himself as "the educated crip." Afroman is know for ironic and humorous lyrics, and I don't think this is enough to assume he's actually a Crip. Please read up on the Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources. Toscaesque (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-I agree, the references do need to be fixed, but there seems to be a trend of attempted whitewashing of the Entertainer's section, and I do not understand why. One does not completely remove a section because a couple of the sources might be strained. Instead, please remove entries which have broken or spurious sources.Out of Phase User (talk) 10:41, 26 March 2008 (EST)

What about snoop dogg? Rdrgz93 (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the main topic line, Regarding the start of the Crips.

Within the first paragraph there is a line that goes "Crips were not founded by 15-year-old Raymond Washington and Stanley Tookie Williams III . The Crips and Bloods are the children of political groups such as the Black Panthers, Slausons, and US Orginization." This is obviously a slur against the Crips and I recommend it for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.46.136.136 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this unsourced information. Tasc0 It's a zero! 18:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding of the changing from the name of "Cribs" to the name of "Crips" was not that they were walking with canes and appeared crippled; but that it is common practice not to use the letter "B" as it pertains to the blood gang. I beleive this should be included in the article. -30 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpop7ole (talk • contribs) 06:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

allies n' rivals

hol' up, i'm confused. are the bloodz n' nortenos allies? crips n' surenos allies? bloodz n' crips rivals? nortenos n' surenos rivals?72.226.157.22 (talk) 02:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC) they pretty much shoot at each other anyway so these "alliences" are not really real[reply]


In jail the nortenos tend to side with the balck gangs and the surenos tend to side with the white gangs_________________________

Here is a reference to the ref request about how the pirus and bloods formed the aliance (don't know where/how to put it)

http://www.gripe4rkids.org/BLhis.html

thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.128.214.5 (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My Understanding

I believe that the crip gang is very weak in having to fight it's own group members. It shouldn't matter where you are our what stand of the gang you are, it matters that you are all walking around with the same colour. Don't kill an allie if they believe what you believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.215.229 (talk) 05:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most so called Crips put their hood before the Crip beliefs. That is why when you see gangs write out there hoods the set always comes first(i.e w/sRSC=west side rollin sixties crip) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.205.132.86 (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Money and greed can break even the strongest bonds- and when crack and drug traffiking became big business during the 1980's, that's what began the Crips on Crips warfare. It's like snake-eating snakes; they don't care if their next meal comes in the form of their own kind- they gotta eat. Same with The Crips. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.7.96 (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nortenos and Crips ALLIANCE

Nortes can be allies with crips, crips are blue and nortes are red (soo) some crips sets dont like surenos ..Theres a set in california called C-14 were there is crips and nortes unite,they both hate bloods and surenos.

Nortenos are allied with Crips, it was established in prison. The only Crip sets Nortenos dont get along with are the ones based in LA - however, any Crip set in Northern California or any other state is under a Nuetral or Strong alliance with Nortenos. C-14 is in fact a way of supporting the Crip-Norteno alliance. Azteca Imperio 21:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Sets/Sub-affiliations - add more to this article

I think more needs to be added to this article to make it comprehensive. The larger affiliation of Crip is broken down at various levels with various alliances, beefs, geographical situations, etc and I think not having something on that leaves this article less than fully informative:

For instance, Los Angeles-area Crip gangs are divided into two larger groups of alliances - the "deuces" and the "trays" (deuce meaning two, tray meaning three). Gangs like the Rollin 60's, Darkside 40's and other sets are "deuce" Crips while gangs like Eight-Tray Gangstas are "tray"-affiliated. I've heard a variety of reasons for the distinction but it should be noted that "deuces" and "trays" are usually in opposition to each other. Also there are affiliations such as NHood's or Nieghborhood Crips...to which the "Rollin" gangs are a part, along with gangs such as 67 Neighborhood Crip or Lynwood Neighborhood Crip (NHC). There are also the Gangsta Crip gangs such as the afore-mentioned eight-tray Gangstas, and there were once Hoover (or Hoova) Crip gangs who broke away from the Crips and now refer to themselves as Hoova Criminals. Crip gangs also break down by geography...there are Watts Crips in Watts (PJ Watts Crip, Grape Street Watts Crip, Front Hood Watts Crip), Compton Crips in Compton (Twilight Zone Compton Crip, Nutty Blocc Compton Crip, Park Village Compton Crip), East Coast Crips on the Eastside of South LA (the name East Coast Crips predates the spread of Crips to the actual East Coast of the United States) and the West Coast Crips on the West Side of Long Beach. It also should be noted that some of the most violent gang rivalries in Los Angeles County are between Crip sets and other Crip sets, such as the Rollin 60's/83 Gangstas rivalry in South LA or the Insane Crip/Rollin 20's Crip rivarly in Long Beach.

I think also the expansion of the Crips and the varying forms they take on in different areas should be noted...Crips on the East Coast tend to have a more organized structure than their West Coast predecessors, and the Crip-Crip rivalries that dominate in Los Angeles are rare even in other parts of California.

I think there should be at least a brief mention of the relationship between the decline and migration of Crip gangs with the greater trends of growing Chicano presence in traditional African-American neighborhoods and "Black Flight" to suburbs and other parts of the country.

Finally I think some of the more known sets of crips should be identified and given seperate articles or stubs as they are usually identified seperately by law enforcement and the judicial system in gang injunctions and targeted enforcement efforts. For instance:

Eight Tray (83) Gangsta Crip in South LA

Rollin' 60's Crip in South LA

Raymond Ave Crip in Athens and Altadena

Insane Crip and Rollin 20 Crip in Long Beach

West Coast Crip in Long Beach

PJ Watts Crip and Grape Street Watts Crip in Watts

Shot Gun Crip in Gardena

Six-Deuce (6/2) Dimond Crip Gang in Fresno, Merced, Modesto and Stockton

Garrett Street Crip in Fresno

97th Street Eastcoast Crips —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.167.72 (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Modoc Boyz Crip in Fresno —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.188.250 (talk) 08:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The problem is sourcing the info. I've been in a long battle just adding the estimated number and the single line that the Crips are one of the largest and most powerful gangs. Something that simple is causing one editor in particular to argue about it. I can only imagine trying to add all this. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a guy who's done alot of scholarly research on gangs especially Black gangs in LA. His name is Alex Alonso and he appeared in the "Bastards of the Party" documentary and runs a website www.streetgangs.com with alot of info and links to news articles and other sources of info you can use to keep the editors off your back. I dont see how it can be disputed that the Crips are one of the largest street gang affiliations in the U.S. though. Some people...

well anyway good work so far good luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.114.215 (talk) 04:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible WP:BLP issue

An editor added a name of celebs that are Crips. While I know the list is mostly correct, we might have a BLP issue since it's not referenced. Labelling a living person as a member of a criminal organization without references is a problem, don't you think? Niteshift36 (talk) 14:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Guns?

I see Wikipedia has produced an article about the Crips,and the word 'gun' does not appear anywhere in the article. It's well-known that the Crips are usually armed with guns,and they have been implicated in many execution-style slayings,drive-by shootings,and so on. Since your Wikipedia article about the Crips does not mention guns,it serves to whitewash the entire Crip phenomenon. This article is strongly biased in favor of the Crips,it is one of the most outstanding examples of biased writing I have ever seen. An article about the Crips that does not contain the word 'gun'! Your article makes the Crips seem like a bunch of innocent little boys scouts. ----Anthony Ratkov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.9.44 (talk) 08:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not to state the obvious, but the article says they commit murders and armed robberies. Wouldn't most people presume that involves guns? It's been a long time since I was a boy scout, but my troop wasn't involved in murders, drug trafficking, identity theft, robbery, extortion or burglary, all of which are specified as Crip activites. Maybe the boy scouts in your area were different. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blue

Some mention of gang colours would be nice. --Timtak (talk) 07:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And how are you supposed to source this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.190.49 (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Black People

Now, this is really idiotic. The article starts like this: "The Crips are a primarily, but not exclusively, African American gang [...]"

So, does that mean that black people from Australia etc. can join, too? No, it is supposed to mean that you don't have to have black skin to join. But it doesn't say that. PC-speak is just sick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.56.110.154 (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I know for sure: Crips is not a white-only redneck gang out of Southern states, so you must try other racial combinations. --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The gang is predominately black. But it is not exclusively black. Calling it a black gang would be incorrect. So it is noted that they are primarily, but not exclusively, black. As for the African-American part, again, the members are primarily American......... get it? Niteshift36 (talk) 12:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to comment on this too. I don't disagree that the gang is "primarily African American," but is it really necessary to include this information? Especially in the opening sentence? An article describing a white gang or other group of white people would not begin by explaining that the group is made up of white people... Why is this any different? 70.63.142.246 (talk) 04:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to the above...check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Brotherhood. States in its opening line that the Aryan Brotherhood is a white crime gang. However, reading into the article it states that it's actually not exclusively white. So...I think the broad generality of saying the Crips is predominately an African American gang is appropriate and that this generality isn't unique with regards to Wiki articles. 71.228.127.1 (talk) 08:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How Crips got their name

Their name stands for Community Revolution In Progress it has nothing to do about Stanley Williams not pronouncing crib right —Preceding unsigned comment added by AssassinOfLife (talk • contribs) 04:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found a couple sources that indicate "Community Revolution in Progress" was a backronym created by the black student union at UCLA years after the formation[1]. dissolvetalk 19:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New section on sets

I don't really think it belongs here. There are literally hundreds of different sets within the Crips and I don't see the real need to list a couple that don't really have any real notability. Opinions? Niteshift36 (talk) 13:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't think a list is a good idea per WP:EMBED. If the list could be turned into a paragraph of prose with some descriptions and context and its contents were verifiable in a reliable secondary source, I wouldn't object to listing some examples of sets. dissolvetalk 19:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of my concerns about listing set examples is the one-upmanship that can happen with various Crips trying to get their set mentioned. At what point could "some" become a big mess? Further, the source being used on this list is not exactly the model of a reliable source. It is a mismash of merchandise selling and brief gang bios written by a consultant who runs the site (ie: wp:sps ) and uses the site to sell his services as a court consultant. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that one problem with a list of sets is that it invites original research and totally agree that the current sourcing is not a secondary reliable source and not acceptable per WP:SPS. I have seen some mentions of specific sets in various newspaper articles and scholarly publications though, so think they could be added if properly sourced per WP:V. It seems like there's enough editors watching this article to revert any vandalism, original research, or unsourced facts that are added. dissolvetalk 20:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, you can find mentions of specific sets in newspapers etc. But most would be local interest only and would be deleted for lack of notability if they were an article of their own. Simply being mentioned doesn't confer enough notability. For example, there was an article deleted recently about the Trinitarios. Plenty of newspaper mentions, but nothing that really made them notable. I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't think we need a list of sets at all. But if there must be one, it should be only ones with enough notability to meet the notability criteria. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Number of members!

The number is world wide extremly small it's sould be univers bigger! Like 100,000 or more you have bloods and crips in all the big cities in Canada like Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and more!

Young Piece (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that number only is the number of all the gang members in Montreal!

Young Piece (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crips in the Philippines

There is a local "version" of the Crips in the Philippines, known to exist in Cebu and Bohol, maybe other areas also. They do intensely dislike another local gang called "Bloods" and members of both sides have killed each other. Whether this "Filipino version" of the Crips has any connection to the Crips in the USA is unknown by me. Here's a link to an article regarding them http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/05/17/news/wanted.crips.leader.nabbed.html most of what i know is from what my friends tell me and the graffiti that i've seen around Cebu and Bohol. They seem to be widespread in these areas. I'm told by friends that this local "Crips" do identify with the Crips of America, but I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned on the wikipedia Crips article. Dr Gwapo (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone feel up to a write up about the Micheal Jackson video?

I know it is a bit trivial but the fact that for a brief moment in history the Crips and Bloods worked together on a project is pretty noteworthy. I myself don't know much about it. That's why I came to the page. -- Eddy (talk|contribs) 13:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The Crips"

This article still perpetuates the notion that there is a single Crip gang that is made up of hundreds of sets. In reality, there are several distinct Crip gangs (many with sub-sets or clicks) that make up a very loose federation of Crips. The same can be said of Blood gangs. There is no "The Crips," and "The Bloods." There are however, several gangs that claim Crip, and several gangs that claim Blood24.181.225.253 (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you can back up your statement with reliable sources, then please feel free to cite those sources and change the tone of this article. Plus, please put new topics at the bottom of talk pages. Thank you for your input. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Burger King

I always wondered, do crips eat at Burger King? It would be great if someone cleared that up. --OOODDD (talk) 01:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, they prefer Taco Bell instead. --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Year formed?

One part of the article says they started in 1971, and another part says 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.173.3 (talk) 07:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cribs to Crips

In the article they say they changed cribs to crips because they were walking with cane!?

It's Crips because they cannot use the letter "B"... because of Bloods

In fact, they always change the "B" for a "P" because its a "b" upside down ( p)

( "b" upside down means a dead blood)

Numbers est in every state in all about 65'000 full member

Why is it that the Crips numbers are only 30,000 here but many accounts say they are the largest black gang in America found in nearly or in every state and is much bigger then Vice Lords and among others. So shouldn't there numbers be like 65'000 specially since Crips in America alone outnumber Bloods 3-4 to 1 and their numbers are est 20-25'000 so shouldn't about 60-65'000 be the real number —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 07:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Crips and Bloods have known sets in other countries

Hey you guys shouldn't both Crips and Bloods be labeled as worldwide because they have known sets in Africa(mainly southwest), Britain and France, Australia, the Caribbean islands, New Zealand(mainly Maori area), Samoa and other islands and both gangs are known to widely recruit such nationalities(see Crips in Alaska). So I think with so many of them located in other countries though for the most part relatively small minus the Caribbeans and certain african countries mainly in South Africa who are allied with the Numbers gang should be labelled as worldwide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 07:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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