Talk:Iran

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Demography

This is iranian prosperity!!!.refrenced from www.prosperity.com: http://www.prosperity.com/prosperiscope.aspx?sel=CA,IR&index=prosperity&year=2009

please go and check!! it is because of iranian perfect(!!!) leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.50.52.96 (talk) 18:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

salam/dorood!

I just wanted to thank everyone who worked on this wikipage as well as other Iranian related articles. You guys have done a great job and I really appreciate how much extra time and hard work you put in. Kheli mamnoon ممنون  :)

Please add Iran

Iran is missing from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_colors_of_national_flags

Merci!

Splitting Up Iran and Persia

It is my opinion that Iran and Persia should be split up into two different articles, or series of articles, instead of Persia simply redirecting to Iran. I am fairly certain that when people type in "Persia", they generally mean Iran before it was called Iran. I admit, it would be a bit of a kind of annoying task to go to all the articles about Iran before it was called Iran and changing it to Persia, but this is merely my opinion. 66.67.141.216 (talk) 19:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Read Iran (word) before writing comments like this. Alefbe (talk) 04:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

change title of history section "pre-islamic statehood" to "the classical Iranian empire era"

The section entitled " Pre-Islamic Statehood" is a wrong title for this section because it fails to recognize that Iranians had a rich native legacy similar to Greeks, Egyptians, etc and have continued these classical traditions into the islamic era. Therefore, this epoch of Empires of Achemenid, Seluecid, Parthian, and Sassanian --should be called the "Classical Iranian Empire Era"

thank you,

Fight4truth (talk) 00:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You need to reuqest in the change this to this format. Also, please establish concensus before continuing as you are asking for opinions. Please feel free to re request after. Thank you. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 18:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You also recently changed the recent History of Iran (Mossadegh)> To the best of my knowledge Mossdegh was overthrown by the British because he nationalized the oil industries in Iran and not because of "lack of support" by the Iranian people. 69.116.236.229 (talk)

Iran Name Origin

The Iranians used Iran as the name of their country before Sassanid's era.The eldest historical documents which denotes this fact is Avesta, the holy book of Zoroaster. The name of Iran in Avesta is Iranveej which was translated to ĒRĀNŠAHR in Pahlavi. Ardeshir Papakan the founder of Sassanid's dynasty used this familiar name in his reliefs and this name is not his innovation. D. N. MACKENZIE in his article entitled "ĒRĀN, ĒRĀNŠAHR" denotes that" ērānšahr properly denotes the empire, while ērān signifies “of the Iranians.”" Then ĒRAN means Aryan and ĒRĀNŠAHR means Aryan Country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M.z.saeidi (talk • contribs) 07:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Persia

I've noticed what could be construed as an edit war going on over the inclusion of the name "Persia" in the article. Persia redirects to Iran (and that fact is prominently hatnoted), it is a name that was in use in the British Empire for a long time and is to be found in historical references to the country. I'm of the opinion that the alternative name should be presented in the lede of the article. If anyone can present decent arguments against its inclusion, please feel free to state your case. If it can be demonstrated that there is consensus for the removal of the name "Persia" form the lede, I'll not stand in the way of its removal. Mjroots (talk) 16:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I've created an edit notice which will be visible to all who edit the article. I've also notified the Administrators' Noticeboard of my actions, which means that a lot of admins will be aware of this. Mjroots (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I was actually going to say adding "formerly known as" would solve the problem, but see you've added "historically" instead. Good job! Thanks! Fin©™ 17:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Have you ever read the first 2 lines of this article?! The name Persia is mentioned (now twice bold in 2 lines). The revert of addition of Persia right after Iran is because the country is no longer named as Persia in any official document.Xashaiar (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I only read the addition in this case. That's a fair point, I've stricken my original comment above. Thanks! Fin©™ 17:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Xashaiar, I'm not saying that Iran is known as Persia nowadays. As the article says, the name has only been known internationally since 1935. The inclusion of the name in the lede reiterates to those who are looking on info about "Persia" that they have reached the correct article. I agree about the second instance of bolding of Persia being unnecessary and will correct that. Mjroots (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Mjroots you are wrong. 1. You say "I'm not saying that Iran is known as Persia nowadays", therefore according to wp:lead you can not include it right after the official name. 2. You say "the name has only been known internationally since 1935". Please consider reading this yourself. Iran was named this exact "Iran" since Parthian/Sasanid times (see Eran, and a bit about history of the name). 3. You say that this "[..]reiterates to those who are looking on info about "Persia"". For the very same reason that there is note before the article that helps to choose historical persia in this page. In short the word Persia should be removed completely from the lead except the small note at the end of first paragraph. 4. May I ask you why you chose to unbold "second instance of Persia" but kept the "unnecessary and wrong instance of Persia right after Iran". If complete removal of Persia is not agreed by everybody, I suggest keeping Persia as in this version. Xashaiar (talk) 18:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I too, in fact, prefer the version Xashaiar linked to at the moment. S.G.^(GH) _ping! 18:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've redone the lede again, the bold occurrence of Persia now occurs some distance from the bold occurence of Iran. Mjroots2 (talk) 19:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Would you please revert to years old stable version? At least the stable version should be there until wp:cons is reached. Xashaiar (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted to the lede in the version Xashaiar linked to. The only difference is the SS Iran hatnote above it. That hatnote is in line with WP:SHIPS policy in having redirects form alternative names with and without prefixes. If there was a dab page for alternative uses of Iran then a link to the ship would appear there. Mjroots2 (talk) 05:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I do not know why such a simple issue has became quite compelicative for some of Wiki users! Iran has been called "Persia" for 25 centuries and still in certain contexts is used. "Iran" is just popular since 1935 in English. The majority of sources, documents, maps, etc. have referred to the country as Persia in English. So naturally it should be mentioned in the first line. Many thanks for your attention as well. Shayan7 (talk) --Shayan7 16:31, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Please do not revert without consensus. I think the second sentence "The name Iran has been in use natively since the Sassanian era and came into use internationally in 1935, before which the country was widely known as Persia." aptly covers any issues you may have. Thanks! Fin©™ 17:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi paragraph is not complete. Also as I mentioned earlier, for countries - which like us - have two popular names such as Burma, the issue has been mention in the first line of the articles. Meanwhile Persia is still popular in the West. It's not a dead name. In 2006 the maps of Iran from ancient till modern time was published in the Netherlands entitled "Historical Maps of Persia", Abbas Milani's book name is "Eminent Persians", Homa Katouzian's book is titled "The Persians". Various culture and art exhibitions of Iran in Europe such as "Persia: Thirty Centuries of Culture and Art" in Amsterdam or "7000 Years Persian Art" in Vienna and Berlin used "Persia"/"Persian" for "Iran"/"Iranian". I do not know why some poeple are going to pretend Persia is a dead name, just related to the past! It's true that in UN it's now Islamic Republic of Iran but everything is not UN and politics. Even in recent "Plan B for Persia: Responding to Iran's Nuclear Weapons Program Absent Diplomatic Agreement" articles about Iran nuclear programs sometimes "Persia" have been used. (More Examples: 1, 2)

Yes, the region, especially when speaking historically, is known as Persia. The nation-state is Iran.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

We are talking here about the history, culture and society, etc of a country which is widely called "Persia" in the World/ Also remember the terms Persian Cat, Persian Carpet, Persian food, etc. is quite popular terms for the carpet, cat and food of Iran. They are not dead. There are still Persian carpet, cat, food, etc. I have already presented these "sound documents". Thanks. User:Shayan7 --Shayan7 12:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the editnotice should be removed. I think it is now clear that the world Persia should aslo appear in the lead but not twice. The current version which is, as far as I can tell, the stable one and the one we should keep. Xashaiar (talk) 20:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

My opinion is that the edit note should stay. However, it may be re-worded should an alternative be proposed and gain consensus. Mjroots (talk)

Battle of Gaugamela was more decisive than Issus

This sentence is misleading:

In 334 BCE, Alexander the Great invaded the Achaemenid Empire, defeating the last Achaemenid Emperor Darius III at the Battle of Issus in 333 BCE.

Darius III was not fully defeated until the Battle of Gaugamela in 331 BCE. I suggest the following change:

In 334 BCE, Alexander the Great invaded the Achaemenid Empire, defeating the last Achaemenid Emperor Darius III initially at the Battle of Issus in 333 BCE and decisively in the Battle of Gaugamela in 331 BCE.

--Intentionally unsigned 04:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The Baloch

re:these edits by User:Looslion. Some problems

• no sources = WP:V non-compliance
• the Balach aren't a religious group
• the information isn't in the Baloch people article so it's unclear why it has been added here.

I've reverted. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ajsadeh, 13 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} 'Drives on' in the sidebar should be changed to "right". This seems to have been listed as 'left' in error.

Ajsadeh (talk) 14:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks. Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 14:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Iran. And then I ran some more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.3.32.154 (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

a rabbi who has rabies (lol) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.236.229 (talk) 04:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

he got it from a rabid rabbi who has a rabbit with rabies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.236.229 (talk) 08:28, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Rancid Rabbit says "Rabbit rabbit"!

Téléphone arabe: "Rancid rabbi had sex with babies!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.236.229 (talk) 01:56, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

..as overheard by "Nimo-(le)-Sans-Abri" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.236.229 (talk) 06:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

"arid" link is wrong (Geography and climate)

Someone should change the "arid" link to "Desert climate" (penultimate paragraph in the "Geography and climate" section). Because desert climate (also known as "arid climate") is properly a type of climate, while arid is simply a characteristic of lack of water in a region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.21.74.44 (talk) 02:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Done. Gonello (talk) 03:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

We should also mention that Iran has Camels (—but no jockeys).

"no jockeys" : it's an embargoe thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.236.229 (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Please add Ferdowsi

The Persian language has produced a number of famous poets; however, only a few poets as Rumi and Omar Khayyám have surfaced among western popular readership, even though the likes of Hafez, Saadi, Nezami[201] Attar, Sanai, Naser Khusraw, Jami are considered by many Iranians to be just as influential.

Thank you.