Talk:Lindsay Lohan

Prisoner/Detainee Categories

An editor removed Lohan from the categories of prisoner/detainee, American and Californian. For me, this raises two issues. First, is the category restricted to current prisoners? The category descriptions don't illuminate this issue, and a glance at some of the people categorized this way shows that many are no longer prisoners. Of course, the latter could simply be neglect. Any WP practice on this first issue?

The second issue is the meaning of detainee. Lohan was moved from jail to court-ordered rehab. Is she not then still a detainee even if she is no longer incarcerated? She certainly isn't in rehab voluntarily.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:39, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess I'm the only one who finds either issue interesting. ;-) --Bbb23 (talk) 00:38, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I was hoping someone else would have some input since this seems pretty thorny. Since the categories are in present tense, I think it's just neglect that former incarcerated people are still in there. As for the second issue, I have no clue, but I'm leaning towards her being left out of the categories. Being in court-ordered rehab just isn't the same as being detained. Siawase (talk) 11:28, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the categories are in any tense. However, I, too, feel that they should probably only include people who are presently incarcerated or detained. Perhaps the category titles should be made clearer, or perhaps the category descriptions/definitions should say something. I'm not sure where to bring up such a suggestion, but I'm willing to do it if pointed in the right direction. As for detainees, the word, in my view, is a legal one and should be governed by its legal meaning(s). For example, people who are in jail awaiting trial are called pre-trial detainees, as opposed to people who have been convicted who are normally referred to as prisoners. At the moment, Lohan certainly doesn't fit into the category of a pre-trial detainee. However, there is also a concept of a civil detainee. It generally refers to people who are committed to institutions (most often hospitals) in a civil proceeding rather than a criminal one. That's closer to Lohan's circumstances, except that she has been involuntarily committed to a hospital-like setting, but in a criminal proceeding. Given that she's not free to leave, I would think she would properly be classified as a detainee, absent some clearer definition in the category itself. My guess is the category was intended to cover pre-trial detainees and convicts, not defendants who are ordered to a rehab facility, even though those people are clearly "detained." Again, perhaps it would be best to make this clearer in the category description.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you would say that being in a court-ordered rehab isn't detention. She's confined to a specific location and subject to legal penalty if she leaves it.—Kww(talk) 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, my view is she is detained. I just am not sure what the category was intended to cover. I've brought up both issues at Wikipedia Talk:Category names#Prisoners_and_Detainees_Questions.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I was replying to Siawase, hence the indent level.—Kww(talk) 14:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm wildly unsure, but since this is a BLP I'd prefer to err on the side of caution and find some reliable source or legal expert that spells out that court ordered rehab does indeed fall under "detained". But to be clear, since I am so unsure, if either of you were to re-add the categories I wouldn't revert. Just offering my loose opinion, and hopefully awaiting more input. Siawase (talk) 17:26, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Picture

I recently changed the picture from a picture from 2007, to a more up-to-date picture, and a better representation of what Lindsay Lohan, being a living person actually looks like. Perhaps I did not properly cite it, please help! Lol. Also, I must say I think this picture looks really great! Thanks for any help you can give me!--mpo90 (talk)

Please see the WP:NFCC criteria. You cannot just slap that non-free image license on any image. Thanks. Nymf _hideliho! 15:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok! I apologize, thanks for the input!--Mpo90 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC).

How do I go about finding a new picture? Because this picture is a little outdated.(talk) --Mpo90 (talk) 15:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

If you find an image that you like, your best bet is probably to try and obtain permission by emailing the author/copyright holder, asking if you can post it under a free license at Wikipedia. See this link for information on how you would do that. Cheers. Nymf _hideliho! 15:53, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks so much for the help! --Mpo90 (talk) 15:57, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Removing The Other Side

I removed the mention of Lohan first being cast and then no longer participating in The Other Side. There are no real reliable sources on what exactly happened (all sources claiming she was fired reference back to TMZ.) Us magazine also had a conflicting opinion: (Another source insists to UsMagazine.com that the film's failure to get financing had "nothing to do with Lindsay. It was because it was an unknown director. All the major stars in this film dropped out.")[1] Per previous discussion [2] there is no reason to include parts that fall through, unless there are (well sourced) compelling reasons to do so. Siawase (talk) 08:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Labor Pains

Why this movie is listed under TV category? In many countries it was released in the theatres. Probably its worth to move it to the movie category and make a note that in US, UK, etc. it was a "direct to DVD" title.