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Ali was a Philosophy and religion good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Reign as Caliph

Regarding the last sentence of the first paragraph under the section "caliphate" and sub-section "Reign as Caliph". Please provide references for the names of the authors and publications in which they have claimed so. The reference provided leads to an error. I will delete it and anyone may re-enter it only with reasonable reference to avoid misleading information until then.

Reign as Caliph

Regarding the last sentence of the first paragraph under the section "caliphate" and sub-section "Reign as Caliph". Please provide references for the names of the authors and publications in which they have claimed so. The reference provided leads to an error. I will delete it and anyone may re-enter it only with reasonable reference to avoid misleading information until then.Mr.oncogene (talk) 02:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I updated and restored the Encyclopædia Iranica link, which was used 19 times in the article, to the current page on Ali. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 05:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for repairing the link and referring me to the guide on how to do so. I have visited the cited reference page and I am unable to find anything in there regarding the statement "... some authors have pointed out that he lacked political skill and flexibility". Presumably it would be against wikipedia's rules to cite a reference that does not support a "claim" or "statement". I do not know about the rest of 19 citations but I am therefore going to remove the above mentioned statement from the article and encourage fellow editors to use references appropriately. Mr.oncogene (talk) 21:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I didn't go through the source but just updated the link. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 01:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

I think we must remove the picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.79.205.151 (talk) 20:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zulfiqar

Can someone please upload a picture of Ali's sword? It is widely used as a symbol to represent Ali — the "Lion of Men" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.97.19 (talk) 05:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Last words

I have read or heard Dr. Shariati (Iranian liberation theologist) state that Ali's last words were "Fotzo wa rabbel Kabah" (I swear to the Lord of Kabah that I just earned my liberation). Has anyone also heard or read of this saying somewhere or has a source to back it up?