Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers

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Hiatus

Since the band is not making music, is not planning on making music, I would consider this to be a hiatus and the are NOT ACTIVE. am i right? so why won't you add it to the main page on the years active section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teresa44 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

• Could the word Hiatus be changed to break or something similar, this is an Americanism in what is supposed to be a worldwide encyclopedia. I've never heard the word used outside of The States. 86.9.225.51 (talk) 18:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

What word are you thinking? I think hiatus is acceptable, although I do see where you're coming from. I can't think of a better alternative at present. Sky83 (talk) 13:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

• • Ahhh, but Americans own this site; what they say goes no one else matters. If they can't have it their way, it's no way at all. 82.18.237.233 (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

How about break? But yes you're right hiatus is OK - thanks to the editor who pointed this out to me on another page.82.25.200.157 (talk) 19:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

While break does seem okay, to me, it's a little too much like 'break up', which is one of the reasons why hiatus has so far worked. It needs to be implicit that it is not a permanent split, more so since this has been hugely debated and quite often why vandalism has taken place on this article. Hiatus isn't a particularly nice word, I just can't think of one that more accurately covers the subject. Sky83 (talk) 10:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hiatus works for me - and I'm English, not American. I struggle to think of another term that would not risk misinterpretation, such as break. Bertcocaine (talk) 14:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Stadium Arcadium (2006-present) Section

Could someone fix the Stadium Arcadium (2006-present) Section? It's quite messy and the facts dont't follow each other in order of time. Gibsoninside 21:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I recently put the various periods in Chronological order. If there is anything else we want to clean up, please post here. (Yohowithrum (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC))

someone should include the fact that josh klinghoffer toured with them at this time and was essentially a fifth member of the band during this period...it would be good to have it since he is now rumored to be their axe-manGutscutter (talk) 20:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

By the Way

It says fans were disappointed by that there were only two songs from the albulm "By The Way" on the Greatest Hits album. This is more opinion than fact. Even so, it is known among many fans that that album was a disappointment in general, and the real song that was left out was Around the World from the Californication album.

Delete it, it looks bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.86.26 (talk) 03:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, I loved By The Way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Undervenued (talk • contribs) 14:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Chuck Biscuits

I'm reading Scar Tissue and the section that discusses Cliff Martinez's departure and it doesn't mention anything about Chuck Biscuits. Where did that come from. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 03:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't know why it's there. He was never in the Chili Peppers. NSR77 ^T_C 21:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I've heard that Chuck Biscuits briefly played as a touring drummer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers in 1986. I'm pretty sure the Red Hot Chili Peppers never recorded any studio recordings with Chuck Biscuits. Gringo300 (talk) 20:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

‘hola ..........

hola q tal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.87.1.203 (talk) 21:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

While I agree that a claim such as this is not needed here,  I would, however, argue that they have influenced quite a few musicians of the 80's, 90's and 00's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.217.117.234 (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC) 

External link to concert database

Would a database of RHCP's concert performances be worthy of an external link - e.g. http://www.songkick.com/artists/246462-red-hot-chili-peppers? As I work for Songkick I can't add it myself (and the last thing I want to be is a self-promoting corporate shill) but I'm curious to hear what the community thinks (which is why I'm asking the same question across quite a few talk pages). I suspect it may qualify under point #3 of the ELYES policy, but I'm far from certain. As precedents, both Shirley Manson and Glastonbury Festival have similar links added by contributors. Michaelorland (talk) 10:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Band Membership

Hey, I'm pretty sure an article on MusicRadar isn't sufficient evidence to change the 'Current Members' section so that John Frusciante is replaced with Josh Klinghoffer. I checked the band's official website and there's nothing about it there, so I'm reverting the page back to the most recent version with John as a full band member.

Stratpod (talk) 21:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, I'd like to see an official statement from a band or their label we can cite before we change it. Hopefully, it's all just talk. – Joe N 22:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I suspect its true but it's certainly not confirmed at this point. The idea that his status is listed as "former" as if its fact on both pages (band and his own) is absurd.GuruAskew (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Josh Klinghoffer shouldn't be in the Band Members section before an official statement --Derek gz (talk) 15:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

K, but the articles are completely ignoring all the facts about John leaving the band. All the citations were deleted. Any fan in denial here?--César (talk) 22:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Guys, John has definitely left the band, check his blog here. However, this doesn't mean he's being replaced by Josh. I think John should be removed from the current members but Josh shouldn't be a full member. Seriously, John left, stop being so dramatic about it. 92.85.50.198 (talk) 13:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Jonh left, his name should not be on the Band Members Section

Still, Josh is not officially a full member yet

Again, Josh Klinghoffer shouldn't be in the Band Members section before an official statement. --Derek gz (talk) 01:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Guys, put again the citation of John's blog, he left. And delete the rumors of the replacement, don't add anything until we have something official. --190.161.144.192 (talk) 23:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

i've updated the ref on John to point to his personal website, with appropriate date, and also amended the section on Josh to mention that it's a rumour, with ref. Josh has also now been removed from the band members list pending official annoucement. The rumour news articles question whether he has the song writing skills necessary to contribute to RHCP - I wonder if this is why they aren't rushing to confirm it, as they are currently in the studio and are probably trying to see if it works first? Bertcocaine (talk) 14:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

The statement on Jon's blog is unsubstantiated and that should be stated if it is used. Furthermore, it should be stated in the article that the band has "neither confirmed, nor denied John's or Josh's status. In fact the last official statement form the band is that they will be playing the Musicares tribute on Jan. 29th with the full line up, whatever that means.Gutscutter (talk) 15:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

The section has been changed again. It is unclear that Frusciante really wrote the comment on his website and he has not confirmed it verbally. The Chili peppers have neither confirmed not denied the rumors as well and that needs to be put in this section as well. John's status will only be official when either he confirms it verbally or the band makes an official announcement. It is highly likely that it is true, but it is not ironclad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gutscutter (talk • contribs) 18:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

The section was changed by Sky83 to remove any mention of Josh, changed again by someone to include Josh (no ref) and then removed again by Sky83. I agree with Sky83. As to the validity of John's personal website, it is now 4 days since that was published, and it has been widely reported in media aronud the world. If it was not true, it seems likely that someone official would have denied it by now. It is also confirmation of widespread rumours in the industry that it was going to occur - if the personal website of an artist is not a good enough source, then what is? Bertcocaine (talk) 14:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with what you have said...there would have been a denial if the statement were not valid. It is most factual to state, as you have, that no replacement has been named (we may not know until Jan. 29th!). Best not to make Wikipedia an encyclopedia that reports hearsay and rumors, only confirmed facts. It would be factual and informative to report in the Stadium Arcadium section that Josh toured with them and the role that he played ie. essentially a fifth band member...sort of like Clapton becoming the fifth Beatle during the recording of the White Album.Gutscutter (talk) 16:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps Josh should be added to the Stadium Arcadium section. I'm not sure the Beatles is an apt comparison - I don't recall so many lineup changes during their career, death of lead members, etc. They stayed together for all their released albums, and then broke up. I strongly suspect the Chili's will continue without John, although it will be interesting to see if they achieve the same success. Going back to my earlier point, I wonder if that's the reason why after a year, and going back into the studio, they have not announced anything - having read Anthony's biography, the process they go through in these circumstances seems a bit random, and I wouldn't mind betting that they are/will be trying to persuade John to rejoin, as happened previously.Bertcocaine (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I have been seeing Dave Navarro being placed onto the current members (on both the main article and the list of members) repeatedly without a given source. I am getting a bit frustrated, since there has been no announcement from either Navarro or the Chili Peppers. Is there anyway to protect the List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members or to leave a note saying something along the lines of "Please do not add Navarro's name to the list"? (since that is where his name keeps showing up most often) WereWolf (talk) 02:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

2 points...no substantiation on the navarro thing...it should not be posted. going back to my original comment...the beatles analogy is far fetch...but josh should be mentioned in the stadium arcadium section. I agree with speculation on john...he may still play a role and even help write a few songs...he may even record...i think that he has had it with touring for a while...he may even come back at some point...i wouldn't be surprised if he played on the 29th as a last minute decision...but he will not play a major role..we will know inside of 6 weeks..i do not think that they will back out of the musicares thing...it means a lot to ak...btw...i am goingGutscutter (talk) 02:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Josh might not be an official band member yet however the Peppers ARE rehearsing and recording currently with him. He has been in the studio with them ever since they regrouped in October however he hasn't been named an official member. The band has to see if the chemistry is right with him and according to Anthony, if he can write songs (which Dave wasn't good at but John was of course great at). In a way I think it comes down to if Anthony can work with him because Anthony had a great bond with John when it came to hanging out and working on music. Flea is good friends with Josh already. They recentlly attended a Warpaint show together. We all know Josh can sing, he can play many instruments and is pretty much a prodigy (and some say clone) of John. Also I might point out that Anthony's dad Blackie updated his MySpace on December 5th (it's still on his page) confirming a new album was being made (and the HBO show was still happeing by saying: "ak reports good progress on the album. HBO still alive". It looks like Josh will be the guy unless somehow the chemistry falls apart. The band has known him for at least 10 years now (due to his involvement in Bicyle Thief, who is fronted by Bob Forrest, friend of the Peppers and former member of Thelonius Monster). They also opened for the Peppers on the Californication tour and of course Josh has worked on all of John's solo stuff since 04 and toured with the Peppers. Josh also recently replaced John at the Musicares benefit for Anthony earlier this year in which he played with Flea and Chad. I think an official announcement is coming soon, most likely after the Neil Young tribute show. Jason1978 (talk) 06:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

As i said above...he should be included in the stadium arcadium section as an adjunct member...jason...where do you derive your info from, re song writing etc.? do you have an inside track on that or do you base it on scar tissue? agree, we wont know anything until the 29th and maybe not even then...expect them to play only 2 or 3 of their songs, which i am sure josh will do a great job on and the rest will be with the other artists...sort of like the hall of fame show at msg now on hbo.Gutscutter (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

jason...read your page...now i understand...coolGutscutter (talk) 14:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

In Scar Tissue Anthony does mention how John was a great song writer and he could always come to him with ideas but couldn't do that with Dave, who always seemed lazy and when Anthony called him up to come over and write songs Dave never wanted to however John was always happy and excited to, pushing Anthony alot of the times to open up with his lyrics and making him a better song writer. In the articles released about John leaving it was mentioned how the band needed to first see if chemistry was there and if Josh was a good song writer. John's influence was all over the last two albums, especially Stadium Arcadium, which Chad once called John's album because he went all out on that record. As for the Neil Young show...Chad said in a interview last week that they will only be playing 1 song (no word on the song but it will most likely be a Neil Young cover) because there are so many artists performing that night so it will be hard to play more than 1 song. You can find that interview here: http://funkymonks.com.ar/

Jason1978 (talk) 7:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

saw that interview on their website...which, btw is very uninformative. can't imagine that they wont do one of their songs, many of which are quite auprepeau given the musicares concept. to get back to business...dont you think that josh should be included in the SA section...and can you edit that in?Gutscutter (talk) 03:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

change noted...is it necessary to have all of john's statement...shouldn't it be mentioned that there is no official word from the band. also in the klinghoffer article it states that he is rumored to be in the rhcp...we decided here not to include rumors...to be consistent, it should not be there either.Gutscutter (talk) 22:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

who deleted the hiatus section and the tenth album section and put frusciante back in the band?????Gutscutter (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

does this photo of flea, chad, anthony and josh provide enough evidence for people? http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9950/kittymcares12.jpg if not, can the main photo be changed to it seeing as the current picture doesn't apply anymore, and even if josh isn't an actual member he is clearly playing with them as evidenced in this photo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.235.152.99 (talk) 13:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Fanboyism

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This entire paragraph seems like it was written by a fan boy and adds absolutely nothing to the article. With the excecption of the Rolling Stones reference, which isn't even linked:

"This album brought back guitarist John Frusciante, who proved that despite the revolving chain of Pepper guitarists, he is the only one worthy of being a Pepper. However, Rolling Stone noted lead vocalist Anthony Kiedis as the true star on this disc, claiming that he bounced back from rehab with "unheard-of vocal range, body, pitch, soulfulness, and melodic sensibility." Even though all of the Chili Peppers projects have been highly spirited, Californication has placed the Chili Peppers into an elite league of rock bands." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.105.33.143 (talk) 06:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please state what needs changed and also what it needs changed to. Also, please sign your comments with ~~~~ Thanks, Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 14:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

California

Someone thought it would be funny to write California in a bunch of times under the lyrics and songwriting section. Someone that has the power to should change that (I don't have the power to). Happy solstice! - TCE

Think that's got it. – Joe N 03:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Josh has not been confirmed as the newest member

The only confirmation that I am aware of, is an email someone got from Josh saying that he was in the band. As a fan, that is not an acceptable announcement. Until an official announcement is made by the band, either by website or in an interview somewhere, I think that Josh Klinghoffer should be taken out of the current lineup. It should remain as Anthony Kiedis, Flea, and Chad Smith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Undervenued (talk • contribs) 14:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I originally agreed with you, however the band has not denied this either and it appears highly likely that Josh is in the band...he essentially was during the last tour... and provides information for those who want to know. It might not be a bad idea to put a line in the appropriate section that states that the band has "neither denied or confirmed" Josh's membership. Why would he say that he was in the band if he was not?Gutscutter (talk) 19:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Has he actually confirmed this? The last I heard, it was almost second-hand info. One person got an email from someone who used to own a website saying that he knew someone that talked to Josh and he said he was in the band. Not that specifically,but you get the idea! I hadn't heard him oficially confirm what is going on. And just because someone doesn't deny something, does it make it true? I'm not against him being in, or anything, just want to know for sure! Undervenued (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Josh's official site http://www.josh-klinghoffer.net/ has a statement up saying until official notice from the Peppers or their managment he is NOT a member of the band. Now this is not to say that Josh won't be a Pepper but i'm sure the band wants to be the first to release a statement or maybe they are waiting to see how they play together at the Neil Young event before confirming things. There are RUMORS that Josh is telling people he's in the band and right now those are just rumors too. He might be in the band but nobody from the band has confirmed this and until they do it should be taken down that he's in the band. Bottom line: Josh is still not a Pepper and his site has confirmed this so anything any fansite reports is currently not confirmed even though many media outlets have run with this story from the Peppers fansite but lets remember that the media also has released false info in the past about Flea being in Faces and Anthony's poor health, which Blackie had to come out and said was a lie. Jason1978 (talk) 9:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

The cleanest thing to do is not to include Josh as a band member until the Peppers announce it themselves. On the other hand, the rumors are so heavy that it would seem reasonable to put that in the article, but to qualify it as only rumor and to state that the band has made no official announcement.Gutscutter (talk) 02:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, take Josh out, for now. I could start a rumour tomorrow that Joe Satriani has decided to join the band. They haven't denied it, so we should put it in here, right??? ;) Undervenued (talk) 14:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thing with the rumors is that they all lead back to the Peppers fansite. Even Rolling Stone took their info from Music Radar which got their info from Stadium-Arcadium.com and the info there is what Josh's website site said should'nt have leaked out and is unofficial. Nothing is official until the band says something and so far have not, which is pretty sad considering all the rumors flying around and the band has yet to even put info of John's departure on their website. Rumors are rumors. I believe these to be pretty true but at the same time nothing has been confirmed by either the Peppers, their management or even Josh's website. Even if Josh is telling people he's in the band (which are still rumors because I haven't seen or read ANY direct quotes from him) his own website clearly states no official word has been made by the Peppers yet. I will also point out that Stadium-Arcadium.com has a news page and has yet to post that Josh is a member. The info was however posted on their forum by someone with the site I believe. Until the band says something Josh's name should be taken out. I tried to a few times but someone keeps reposting his info. Jason1978 (talk) 12:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Agree that their website has been entirely UNinformative and in general is loaded with commercial bs designed to make them money...I am as surprized as you that there has not been a single comment from one of the band members...I am not sure if it is because they don't care or if it is because they simply are not ready to say anything...one could make all sorts of wild speculations as to the meaning of that...there are only 3 weeks until the 29th and perhaps they are waiting for that date to make an official comment. (Part of me would not be surprized if they were a no show for that event...although clearly it is a cause that AK is very involved with.)Gutscutter (talk) 19:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

So we agree then, it shouldn't be in there? Can someone take that out for now until it's official? Undervenued (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it should be taken out. Unless its reported by a good publication, independently, or the band announce it, Josh's name shouldn't currently feature on the current members list. Suede67 (talk) 20:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

What I think can be mentioned, and what I posted is that Josh is playing with the band at their MusiCares show however a replacment for John has yet to be officially named by band or mangement. Josh should be mentioned with the MusiCares event since he is playing with them that night. Jason1978 (talk) 2:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice job with the changes....where did they announce that Josh would be at MusiCares?Gutscutter (talk) 00:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Someone keeps adding Josh's name to the members section. As for the MusciCares info...tt was mentioned in alot of the articles released around the time John announced his departure. This is what pretty much jumpstarted the rumors that Josh was John's replacement plus he has been in the studio with them since October so that adds even more (not to mention Josh performing with the other three at the MusiCares event to honor Anthony however they were not playing at the Peppers but under the name The Insects. If Josh is a member, and I have no doubts that he will be one i'm sure after the MusiCares show (or shortly before) something will be released however don't expect it to come from redhotchilipeppers.com. They rarely update their site and have posted false info in the past (like Flea was joining Faces...which Flea said he knew nothing about) plus they still have yet to post info that John left. Jason1978 (talk) 1:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Jason...I believe that you are correct...I will report as a primary source since I will be attending the event! (I am going all the way from NJ.) Still think that somehow, given John's exit was amicable, that he will play a role in the studio in someway.Gutscutter (talk) 15:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

John according to his own message is done with the band completly and on to his own thing (he's producing, working on his own stuff and working with Rza from Wu Tang Clan). He has been out of the band for a year now and didn't join them in the studio in October so he's probably not coming back in a guest role and in a way that would be unfair to the new guitarist with the old one popping in. It's also unfair to the band to say you don't want to be apart of the group but hey, i'll make a guest appearence. If John doesn't want any part of the rock star lifestyle it would make him look like a hypocrite for going back to it for a 3rd time. I think John and Peppers are done for good. Time to move on and hopefully it's with Josh. Please do report on the MusiCares event. It will not be recorded (however the Anthony tribute had some cameras snuck in and clips are on YouTube). Jason1978 (talk) 7:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.32.98 (talk)

The newest issue of Kerrang confirms Josh as the new guitarist. Is that a good enough source? Tom walker (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I would want to know where the magazine got that info. If it has quotes from the band in it, I would believe it. Undervenued (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

relax boys...we will know in eight days what the story is and how they sound w/ josh.//Gutscutter (talk) 02:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

From what I know about Kerrang...they get their info from various other sources. Still nothing has been confirmed by the Peppers so it's unoffical. Someone however keeps changing the info on here about how Josh is in the band and posting the link which credits Music Radar as the source (however again, Josh himself on his website said it's not official). Oh and btw Josh's website now directs you to his Wikipedia page. Jason1978 (talk) 9:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I took Josh out of the current member section again. Just in case anybody cares Undervenued (talk) 21:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks like until he is confirmed that might be a daily thing. Hopefully before someone adds info about how he's in the band they will read what I wrote. I posted with the link/info from his website explaining how the rumors and reports so far have not been confirmed but hopefully are in the next few days considering the MusiCares even is tomorrow, 1/29. Jason1978 (talk 18:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Well Josh did perform with the Peppers last night playing just one song (A Man Needs a Maid) but so far nothing official has been made about him being the full-time replacement for John however longtime Peppers soundguy Dave Rat did post on his Twitter page: Chili Peppers 1st gig w/ Josh K on guitar which pretty much leads me to believe there is more to come and like I said, Josh is a Pepper, I have no doubts about it but so far Josh said the band hasn't confirmed anything. I'm startng to wonder if the band will even release any official statement. btw.. stadium-arcadium.com has tons of pictures from the event last night and are again saying his performance confirms he's a member now. Jason1978 (talk 18:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I was at the event....it was obvious that josh was a pepper....they did not intro them as the chili peppers with josh klinghoffer...they played as one and anthony gave josh the mike for a brief falsetto solo as though the torch has been passed....he was animated and totally into it....their performance was raw and less polished than the other acts...it was a hard song and i am not sure why it was picked for them....anthony's voice was tight as the song was a bit out of his range...it usually takes him a while for his voice to loosen up...anyway agree that they will not ever make an announcement...i think that they like josh and he fits in and he will give them an edgier sound and after friday night it is clear that josh is the new lead axman and we should list him as such.Gutscutter (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Josh is 100% confirmed. I sent Anthony's dad Blackie a message on MySpace trying to clear up the confusion and asked if Josh was a member and he responded: He's confirmed, they're working on the next album.

Of course since this was sent to me in a personal MySpace message I have no way of posting a link to confirm this so you will have to take my word. Blackie has posted pictures of the band from the MusiCares event and video on his MySpace page pretty much indicating that Josh is a member but for me his message confirms it and I added Josh back to the page and that they are working on a new album with him. Jason1978 (talk 18:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed...now confirmed by multiple sources, blackie, chad and by virtue of the musicares event josh is in! We should now list him, even at the top of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gutscutter (talk • contribs) 00:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

It's great to hear he's finally confirmed by a band member. I also changed some stuff around in the article, mainly how it said after John first left the band in 1992 they toured with three different guitarists until they found Dave...which is completly untrue. Arik Marshall was the only guitarist they toured with other than John on the Blood Sugar tour. They then briefly replaced him with Jesse Tobias AFTER the tour but Dave became available, Jesse was quickly booted.

Also...since John is no longer a member I removed his name and info about his departure from the top of the article considering it's mentioned elsewhere. I know John is the longest tenured Pepper guitarist but something always bugged me about the part where it said almost indicated John as the only true guitarist since was with the band the longest and made the most music with them. That lineup with Chad, Anthony, Flea and John is the classic lineup but I felt there shouldn't be mention of the current lineup and then right after that mention how John however is the longest tenured guitarist.

Jason1978 (talk 18:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Former Members

The sidebar with all of the former members of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is misleading. It implies that there hasn't been a stable lineup throughout their history. Replacement members like Zander Schloss, Chuck Biscuits, and D.H. Peligro should not be listed because they were just week or month replacements until a lead guitarist or drummer could be found.

Therefore their names should be deleted off the list, and below the names of John Frusciante, Dave Navarro, Hillel Slovak, Jack Irons, Cliff Martinez, and Jack Sherman should be a link to the List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members.

Main article: List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members

D.H. was an offical member. He was the replacement for Jack Irons and he even played some shows with them and made t.v. appearences (the bowling alley lip sync performance, which is on YouTube comes to mind). D.H. was just too out there for even the Peppers and also battled his own drug problems, which led to his departure. He wasn't happy about being fired.

Also...guitarists like Arik Marshall, Jessie Tobais and Dwayne "Blackbyrd" McKnight were all considered official members. Blackbyrd was so upset about being booted from the band that he told Anthony he would burn his house down. Arik of course toured with them on Lollapalooza, the remainder of the Blood Sugar tour, various awards shows and was also in the Breaking The Girl video. They were going to make a new album with him but according to Anthony the chesmitry and his attitude were not right. Jessie was also a offical member (he even had his own Rolling Stone article with Anthony and Flea discussing how he was the full-time replacement for John and Arik) Jessie's stint was very short lived though. Dave decided he was ready to join, Jessie was booted. When Dave first joined he actually had guitar picks listing all the ex-Peppers to come before him and included those three mentioned.

Pretty much all of this is mentioned in Anthony's book. All of these guys, including D.H. were offical members even though they never recorded with the Peppers. The band acknowledged them as members so they should be included on the page.

Now as for Zander and Chuck...Zander was auditioned but never was a member of the band. He was flown out but the band felt the chemistry wasn't right. Zander wasn't pleased with the decision. As for Chuck Biscuits...he played maybe one show as a fill in back in 85 I believe and not even his on Wiki page mentions he ever played with the band. He was never an offical member either. Jason1978 (talk 18:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The timeline section might need to be cleaned up. I fixed a few things (like how it stated John leaving in 08 and the Peppers not having a guiarist for 2 years). Also... Phillip "Fish" Fisher was NEVER a member (he played drums on Taste The Pain though). I again removed Zander Schloss and Chuck Biscuits from the main article since neither of them were ever band members. Details about Chuck have always been sketchy and it doesn't help when his own wiki page doesn't mention the Peppers at all so the Peppers article shouldn't especially as a official member, which he never was. Jason1978 (talk 18:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

John Frusciante's depature date

On the list of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members timeline, some users continue to change John Frusciante's departure date from 2008 to 2009. This is incorrect: Frusciante confirmed on his official website in late 2009 that he left the band "over a year ago", placing his departure sometime in 2008. (See here for official post: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=3981059&blogId=522547404 )

I am getting extrememy frustrated with users continuously changing this information. The only compromise that I can think of is marking the time period "(1998 - c. 2008)" on the timeline. Any other ideas/suggestions are appreciated and recommened. I am just getting a bit fed up with reverting the edits constantly..

WereWolf (talk) 21:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The last functional date the John was w/ the band was in 2008 when they did "Let the Good Times Roll." I do not know the recording date, but that is the most objective way of documenting his departure.Gutscutter (talk) 02:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

John did in fact say he quit the band over a year ago, which would've been 2008. Problem with the Peppers is that the people that work for them are extremly lazy. While John said he quit in 2008, everyone in the band kept quiet about it and refused to answer the question. They mainly did this because they hoped John would change his mind according to Chad. Of course nothing official was released by the Peppers until late 2009 and of course nothing about Josh being a member until two months ago...even though he has been with the band recording since they regrouped in October. So the official statement from the band came in late 2009, John says he left in 2008. To make things even more messy, the band's website has yet to even mention John leaving and Josh being the new guitarist. I love this band but they need to find employee smarter people who know what they are doing when it comes to this stuff. In my over 18 years of being a fan of this band I have never seen something like this. Normally there is alot of attention focused on the new album, there are articles everywhere, the Peppers have always talked to the media. How ironic that in the past two years the so-called quiet Pepper, Chad Smith has been the one doing 95% of the interviews and answering the questions. I don't recall Anthony or Flea commenting much at all on John's departure or Josh being a member or the album updates. Chad has though. Very strange for it to be this way. I guess that means though when the new album comes out and the band does all their magazine interviews/artcles they will be well worth the read now and not just reciting their long biography again. Jason1978 (talk) 02:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.32.98 (talk)

Jason, as usual your comments are right on. I am confused about whether they want to keep us in the dark on purpose, don't care, don't have the time or have terrible PR people working for them (or all of the above). I wondered if John was using again and they were hoping that he would straighten himself out and that's why they were so quiet. That would be a good reason. I obviously hope that that is not the case. Nonetheless, I am looking forward to the material that they produce now, with Josh and would like to hear a taste of it in the way of a single release or something...doubt that that will happen.Gutscutter (talk) 21:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it's poor managment/PR like you said. Alot of fans were angered during the past few years with the way management handled things. I'm not sure what the band's views on this are and maybe they really have no idea. I doubt any of them are on their website much or really care to read about themselves. They might not have any idea how lazy the people working for them really are. As for John...I highly doubt drugs were involved. John seems to have put drugs in the past. He seems like a person in control of his life. John has been clean since 1998. This is far different from how Anthony has been when it came to drugs but i'm hoping and praying that drugs are finally in his rearview mirror considering he now has a son to look after and raise. As much as he loves his dad, Anthony didn't have a normal childhood at all and i'm sure his son will be raised much differently. Going back to John, I think the reason why they waited so long was in hopes that John would change his mind. He would go off and do his solo stuff and then re-join the band. Sadly it didn't happen this time and he's gone for good. That chapter is over, a new one with Josh is underway but you have to wonder, how many people around the world outside of the Peppers devoted fanbase even know John quit. All goes back to the poor management and poor PR people they have. I guess with the next album we will see because the Peppers are going to need a big PR push (sort of like Stone Temple Pilots are getting). Alot has changed in the few years since they have been away with radio, album sales and music video t.v.. .Jason1978 (talk) 21:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.32.98 (talk)

I move to have John Frusciante's official departure date read July 2009. This comes directly from the brand new, full authorized Red Hot Chili Peppers biography. (in stores now) Undervenued (talk) 12:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Invite edits to my edit RE band's changing lineup

There's a difference between tongue-in-cheek and tongue-tied. Readers of the article's first paragraph know or will learn that the band's lineup has changed. But lineups change; this band is no exception. Any point about the frequency of changes to the lineup should probably be acknowledged in the opening paragraph -- but the style should be music-critic (wary). My edits address the stylistic embarrassments of the clauses I touched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salon Essahj (talk • contribs) 03:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Socks on Cocks

Yet again, this article is one of the few biographies of the group which does not mention socks. See the multiple mentions in this biography book (Fornication) and this one (By the Way), their MTV biography. Wherever, this should be put into the article. I am wanting to know though: where is the best place to put it? Munci (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Spirituality

There is not one mention of the spirituality of the RHCP, which seems odd given the fact that they have written entire songs dedicated to Eastern and general philosophical spiritual matters (One Big Mob, Falling into Grace, Walkabout, etc). In addition, many of their songs contain metaphors that can easily be interpreted as having spiritual overtones, or have lines that refer explicitly to a modern understanding of spirituality ("a nervous breakthrough that makes us the same", etc.).

At the very least, spirituality ought to be listed under the lyrical content section along with things such as "Michigan" and "friendship". I can't be the only one who feels this way... I love the RHCP specifically because so many of their songs have spiritual messages that agree with me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RGoerss (talk • contribs) 20:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members

I just wanted to let everyone know that the List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members is currently a featured list candidate, and it urgently needs a review. It's been almost three weeks since the nomination began, and any feedback on the list is appreciated. Thank you so much. WereWolf (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Band name

Now, it would seem more suitable to discuss this in all the album's discograhies, but now as it's too distressing for myself. I'm thinking that the article is hinting that all their albums are relaesed as 'RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS', which isn't true.

These come under 'Red Hot Chili Peppers'

• Mother's Milk - 1989
• Blood Sugar Sex Magik - 1991
• Californiacation - 1999
• By the Way - 2002
• Staidum Arcadium - 2006

• What Hits? - 1992
• Out In L.A. - 1994
• Greatest Hits - 2003
• Live In Hyde Park - 2004

These come under 'THE Red Hot Chili Peppers'

• The Red Hot Chili Peppers - 1984
• Freaky Styley - 1985
• The Uplift Mofo Party Plan - 1987
• One Hot Minute - 1995

• The Abbey Road EP - 1988

Sorry for all that but it look at Oysterband article. They seperated Oyster Band and Oysterband in the discography.--77.99.231.37 (talk) 11:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

False Information

On September 23, 2010 in an MTV exclusive interview, Michael "Flea" Balzary promised that two tracks from the new Album entitled "The Calico Carpet" would be released during the holidays. With one called "Hoverboard" released on Thanksgiving, November 22nd, and one called "Brian's Shlong" featuring Blink 182's Mark Hoppus and Tom Delonge, released on Christmas, December 25th. They will be released exclusively via ITunes.

I caught this in time. First of all, the 23rd has just begun now in California, where the Chili Peppers live. Secondly, the note assigned to this statement leads to the same youtube link as the one made in the previous paragraph, regarding Kiedis' September 11th interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.221.241 (talk) 06:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

That band member chart

Seems a little off. According to that chart, Dave Navarro and John Frusciante were in the band at the same time at the end of the One Hot Minute tour.