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1. Was Manhattan Island really bought for a very small amount of currency (be it $24, one string of wampum, etc.)?
No. Charles Gehring, Director of the New Netherland Project, explains this myth in a video (skip ahead to 3:03) by the New York State Museum. In it, he says, "This is one of the biggest myths...pure fabrication. It says in the records that it was 60 guilders worth of goods. 60 guilders worth of goods would have been a lot of hard goods that the Indians couldn't produce themselves. You couldn't place a price on the...things that they were unable to make, the things they didn't have the technology for. The $24 figure was attached to the document when it was translated in the 1880s. The translators looked up the rate of exchange at the time and 60 guilders was $24. Nobody has ever even adjusted that for inflation over the years, so you not only have an incorrect rate of exchange, but the whole idea of what 60 guilders would have been worth to the Indians at the time is totally wrong."
Keepin' it real: The greatest deal in history never actually was. 2. Why is New York City classified as having a humid subtropical climate?
According to NOAA's 1981–2010 normals, Central Park in Manhattan has a January daily average temperature of 32.6 °F (0.3 °C) and in July, this figure is 76.5 °F (24.7 °C). This, in combination with its generous annual precipitation of 49.9 inches (1,270 mm) means the city itself falls under the humid subtropical regime of the Köppen climate classification (see this map). Locations in this regime in general do not have winter snow cover that is reliable enough to augment cold air masses; the "subtropical" designator is only part of the climate type's name and does not mean that the city (or the surrounding region) is in the subtropics, nor that winters here are mild. |
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Sister City - London
Is where it says that one of New York's sister cities is "The City of London" correct, or should it just be London? The reference article simply says London. If it is just supposed to be the City of London then the statement underneath the table of sister cities, that "Like New York City, all except Beijing are the most populous cities of their respective countries" is not correct as the City of London has a population of just 8000 people (in a one square mile area). Christopher White 1982 (talk) 12:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's tedious for others to look up archives of this talk page, but when I did a little hunting outside Wikipedia, the relationship seemed to be both with the City of London and with the Greater London Authority; some publicity at http://www.nyc.gov seemed to tie Mayor Bloomberg with both Ken Livingstone and the then-Lord Mayor of London. See also this mayoral press release concerning Ken Livingstone's successor MAYOR BLOOMBERG ANNOUNCES “INNOVATION EXCHANGE” PROGRAM WITH NEW MAYOR OF LONDON BORIS JOHNSON —— Shakescene (talk) 17:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Would be best to put London rather than City of London. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- London is the primary article, It really makes no sense to link to Greater London in that box, that article is just about an administrative region. The London article covers the City of London and Greater London anyway. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)* That's what I did, oh so long ago in this small but volatile section which seems to be watched intently by passionate nationalists who've shown little other interest in New York City. Today (thanks for the Christopher White's pointer), I've put both Greater London and the City of London (with respective arms) into the city column and England into the region column. —— Shakescene (talk) 17:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- It was less passionate nationalism, more mindless pedantry. Sorry. Christopher White 1982 (talk) 12:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)* That's what I did, oh so long ago in this small but volatile section which seems to be watched intently by passionate nationalists who've shown little other interest in New York City. Today (thanks for the Christopher White's pointer), I've put both Greater London and the City of London (with respective arms) into the city column and England into the region column. —— Shakescene (talk) 17:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- This is in the first paragraph of London"
- London's core, the ancient City of London, largely retains its square-mile mediaeval boundaries. Since at least the 19th century, the name London has also referred to the metropolis developed around this core.[8] The bulk of this conurbation forms the London region[9]and the Greater London administrative area"
- London is the primary article which covers all of this, its the only place that needs linking to in the sister cities section. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- This is in the first paragraph of London"
For what it's worth, out of the many discussions of this subject, here's a lengthy one (and I think the most recent one), in which both I and British Watcher participated: Talk:New York City/Archive 11#Sister Cities London. (I'm leaving this active talk for the moment, because I don't want to crash into a third or fourth edit conflict. I don't have the patience.) —— Shakescene (talk) 17:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Of the 10 other articles that say they are sister cities of London, all of them simply say London and all that link to an article simply link to London. This page [1] clearly is talking about London as a whole, and not just the City of London and the area it talks about covers the Greater London area(although it does not mention that term within the text), just links to the authority responsible for the wider area. City of London and Greater London are all covered in the London article. London is what needs to be said. It is silly to point to City of london and an article on an administrative sub division Greater London, rather than the actual article on the actual city. If there is no more debate i will be changing it to simply say London. BritishWatcher (talk) 12:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Bronx or The Bronx
A Request for Comments about changing Bronx's article name to "The Bronx" (or changing it to something else) has now opened. See Talk:Bronx#Request for Comments on renaming "(The) Bronx" (September 2010). If inspired to comment, please read the extensive earlier discussions above this section. Thanks. —— Shakescene (talk) 02:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- This request for comments will close fairly soon, so please contribute any thoughts you have while you can. —— Shakescene (talk) 22:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- The discussion has now closed by an uninvolved administrator (User:Thumperward) with the moving of Bronx back to The Bronx. Because of redirects, you don't really need (except in some rather technical cases like conditionals) to change any of your current links from Bronx to The Bronx, but future wikilinks can now be directly to The Bronx. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Mind boggling
I find it unfathomable that in this article, not even in the introduction, there is no mentioning that New York City has several nicknames used to refer to the city. New York City is known as "the Big Apple", "Gotham City", and the "city that never sleeps". This is common knowledge, and the city is called by these names by most Americans in every day speech, yet there is no mentioning of NYC's nicknames. Surely the city's nicknames warrant mentioning. Yoganate79 (talk) 20:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- WP:SOFIXIT upstateNYer 22:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- See the infobox: "Nickname(s):
The Big Apple, Gotham, Center of The Universe, The City That Never Sleeps"
Related discussion
In case anyone isn't already aware, there's a discussion at Talk:New York regarding how that article (the one on the state) should be named, and whether the city, the state or neither should be regarded as primary topic for "New York". Please contribute at the other talk page if you wish.--Kotniski (talk) 10:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 24.20.124.29, 9 November 2010
{{edit semi-protected}} In first paragraph. GREAT SHOPPING!!
24.20.124.29 (talk) 05:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
- Not done, it's not appropriate at all. DC T•C 05:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Picture of WTC on 9/11
I find it to be in bad taste that their is a picture of the World Trade Center in flames from 9/11, especially in a section (Geography) where it is irrelevant. I would request that this picture be removed from the article entirely, as there are many more appropriate images of the City. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.179.208 (talk) 05:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
- It's supposed to be in the history section, but there's too many images there so it floats down to the geography one. One or more of those pictures needs to go. DC T•C 06:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
- I removed one of the images; the 9/11 image represents an historica event that outweighs almost any other in NYC history. upstateNYer 15:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
History - subdivide by era?
Surely the history section would be clearer, and easier to edit, if it were broken up into subsections either by era or by century? Huw Powell (talk) 07:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
alex js —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.130.100 (talk) 23:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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"Under the Köppen climate classification New York City has a humid subtropical climate (Cfa), and using the 0 °C threshold it is the northernmost major city on the continent with such categorization."
Needs to be changed to say:
"Under the Köppen climate classification New York City has a Humid Continental Climate / Warm Summer Continental or Hemiboreal Climateste (Dfb)."
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Humidcontinentalworld2.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humid_continental_climate#Dfb.2FDwb:_Warm_summer_subtype
"Dfb/Dwb/Dsb: Warm summer subtype
Regions with warm summer humid continental climates
The warm summer version of the humid continental climate covers a much larger area than the hot subtype. In North America, the climate zone covers from about 44°N to 50°N latitude mostly east of the 100th meridian. However, it can be found as far north as 54°N, and further west in the Canadian Prairie Provinces and below 40°N in the high Appalachians. In Europe this subtype reaches its most northern latitude at nearly 61°N. Areas featuring this subtype of the continental climate have an average temperature in its warmest month below 22°C. Summer high temperatures in this zone typically average between 21–28 °C (70–82 °F) during the daytime and the average winter temperatures in the coldest month are generally far below the −3 °C (26.6 °F) isotherm.
It includes the following places: Northern, Central and Western New York... ...Albany, New York Rochester, New York Syracuse, New York Buffalo, New York"
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