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This article was nominated for deletion on 9/5/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

2007 & 2008

It's mixed up. Tomic didnt win the Junior Aussie Open in 2007, he did it in 2008.

Florida Orange Bowl

It should be mentioned that he had won the Florida Orange Bowl Tournament 3 times consectuvily. This should be mentioned because every time he is mentioned in the papers this feat is harped about. Apparently it is the most prestigous non grand slam junior tournament in the world. The papers might be talkng shit, but this should still be mentioned, because they are his only achievements to date.

What the hell? there is only a under 12 and a under 14 Orange Bowl so how the hell can you win it three times consecutively?, people need to get their facts straight before they should even contribute! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jah89 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sandefjord

his father, jovan tomić, is montenegrin, and his mother, ady, is croatian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.198.201.67 (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

man, you are talking sheet. his fathers name is ivica and he is croatian from tuzla, bih, ex yu. i know his relative who lives in zagreb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.3.61 (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

Ok, I have just given the article a much needed boost; it now has some interesting information about his junior career. However, I can't seem to find a decent picture, perhaps someone could work on that? 202.89.163.157 (talk) 08:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His parents are from the Bosnia

Bernard Tomic was born in Germany but his parents are war refugees from Tuzla, a town in northern Bosnia.

Bernard's father is an ethnic Croat while his mother is an ethnic Bosniak both from Tuzla.

Zec (talk) 23:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is fine. Can you provide a source to confirm these statistics? If so, we can amend the lede to include his Bosniak background (alongside Croatian) as well as add the Bosnian language to the opening translation. Evlekis (talk) 07:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WILL HE PLAY FOR CROATIA?

please put articles and opinions about that theme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.144.157 (talk) 16:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"I speak Croatian. My parents have a Croatian background" (20.01.11 Interview)

These are Bernard Tomic's OWN WORDS in the press interview he gave at the Australian Open on 20.01.11

http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2011-01-20/201101201295505489338.html (scroll to the bottom of the page)

Removing this PRIMARY SOURCE and lying about his parents' ethnicity will not hide the TRUTH !

Tifetondu (talk) 17:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you have failed to read the article correctly. It is well known that Bernard Tomic is of Bosnian descent (his mother's side) as well as Croatian.

However, when asked about what languages he speaks fluently (which was what the question was about), he mentioned the Croatian language and cited his parents' part-Croatian background as the reason for this. It has nothing to with his part-Bosnian background, as illustrated by many sources - it is purely to do with the origin of his spoken dialect.

As anyone from ex-Yugoslavia (or familiar with it's history) would tell you, the Bosnian language was only established as an official standard in Bosnia and Herzegovina long after it's independence in 1992. The Bosnian language was never taught as an official language in Yugoslavian schools.

Jas315 (talk) 03:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another source referring to the descent of Bernard's family, rather than the origins of his language (which seems to have been deleted by Tifetondu):

"It was also at that time that, coincidentally, Guiney's wife Kate was teaching English to Tomic's Bosnian maternal grandmother."

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/tennis/first-coach-still-plays-a-key-role-in-tomics-emerging-career/2009/01/22/1232471497977.html?page=2

(Fourth paragraph)

I advise that you stop vandalising the article. Thank you.

Jas315 (talk) 06:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that you have failed to read the interview correctly yourself and are inferring what is simply not stated by Tomic about the Bosnian language. FYI, the term "Bosnian" INCLUDES Bosnian Croats and there are no sources in the article verifying any other ethnic background but Croatian as stated by Tomic himself. Sorry, but having a "Bosnian maternal grandmother" doesn't mean that she is a "Bosniak" (Epic fail here !) but simply from Bosnia, as anyone from ex-Yugoslavia would tell you. Once again, "Bosnian" is not an ethnicity of its own, is not a constitutive ethnic group in Bosnia, and doesn't mean "Bosniak"

Spare me the lecture and false accusation about deleting your meaningless source, and just post a verifiable source in English to prove that Tomic is also of "BOSNIAK" or "BOSNIAN SERB" descent.

Otherwise I advise you stop misrepresenting and vandalising the article. Thank you.

Tifetondu (talk) 06:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are several sources that state his ancestors are Bosnian, but none that say Bosniak. Furthermore, the Bosniak page states "The term Bosnian is used to denote all inhabitants of Bosnia regardless of ethnic origin", so the sensible thing is to use the term "Bosnian" to satisfy both cases. Absconded Northerner (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bernard Tomic might identify more as Croat because his father is Croat named Ivica from Tuzla, town in northern Bosnia, while his mother is Bosniak named Adisa and is from Brcko, a town also in northern Bosnia.

His parents were really young when the war started, his mom was a student while his dad was a taxi driver.

PS: Bosniak=Bosnian just as Croat=Croatian in most situations, even if a Bosniak from Croatia mght be Croatian in a sense that he is from Croatia just as a Croat from Bosnia is a Bosnian in a sense that he is from Bosnia.

Zec (talk) 15:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which source is that in? I can't find it. Absconded Northerner (talk) 17:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hear you Absconded Northerner. As you have yourself removed the unsourced term "Bosniak" from the article today, you can see here again with "Zec" that the term "Bosnian" is still constantly associated and confused with "Bosniak" by most editors and Bosniak themselves who have absolutely no English or translatable sources to verify that Tomic's mother is Bosniak whatsoever. That's why Bernard Tomic himself specified both his parents "Croatian background" (not just his father) in his press conference, like any ethnic Croat expatriate would do whether their parents are from Croatia itself and/or from Bosnia. That said, I agree with your proposal and would like to satisfy both cases by simply using Croatian and Bosnian "origins" instead to avoid any more unsourced claim and confusion about the ethnicity of Tomic's mother. I doubt it will change much here anyway, though, at this unsourced myth has already taken a life of its own all over the Internet because of Wikipedia. It won't be long when some journalist will repeat it in an article after briefly looking at Tomic's page here, and it will come back full circle as a source, LOL !

Tifetondu (talk) 18:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]