Talk:Dignitas (non-profit organisation)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Dignitas (non-profit organisation) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

It is requested that a photograph be included in this article to improve its quality.
The external tool WordPress Openverse may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

Upload

This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Companies Unassessed

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Companies, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of companies on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CompaniesWikipedia:WikiProject CompaniesTemplate:WikiProject Companiescompany articles

??? This article has not yet received a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

??? This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Companies To-do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies
Assess : Category:Unassessed company articles
Copyedit : Category:Company articles needing attention
Infobox : Category:Company articles needing infoboxes
Maintain : Portal:Companies
Stubs : Help expand stub articles located at Category:Company stubs
Other :
- Tag company articles with the {{portal|Companies}} template
- Tag company talk pages with the {{WikiProject Companies}} project banner
- Answer requests for comments

Law C‑class Low‑importance

	Law portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Law, an attempt at providing a comprehensive, standardised, pan-jurisdictional and up-to-date resource for the legal field and the subjects encompassed by it.LawWikipedia:WikiProject LawTemplate:WikiProject Lawlaw articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Death C‑class Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

‹ The template below (WikiProject History) is being considered for merging. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. ›

History Unassessed

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Religion Unassessed

	Religion portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Sociology Unassessed

	Society portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Untitled

Created the page using material from this version of the suicide methods page, since it didn't fit there and I thought it should have an article of its own. It needs references, proper disambig etc. I'm working on it, slowly... Eve 20:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Mail is not a good source

The Daily Mail has been quoted for the 'Criticisms' part of this article. The Mail is a sensationalist and extreme right-wing newspaper and not a reliable source. Would you cite the Weekly World News as a valid source?--217.203.162.8 (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the Daily Mail is not a reliable source. 84.66.100.21 (talk) 03:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree - Right wing, yes, somewhat sensationalist in its tone, yes - but when it comes to fact-checking, the Daily Mail, as a mainstream newspaper (#5 in UK circulation) must surely be considered a reliable source.Princeofpointless (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The Daily Mail is not a good source of information. The article comes from a third party source and reproduced in the paper and will be embellished. Despite being mainstream it does publish false and sensationalist articles like the other tabloids. Such examples are heard on the Chris Moyles show with the DJ denouncing false tabloid claims about him with some regularity. This is only one, there will be other and more significant examples. Just because it is the fifth widely circulated newspaper in Britain does not equate it being a reliable source for information, considering its a paper with more of a purpose to entertain rather than inform and uses simplified language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.104.151 (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_23#Is_the_Daily_Mail_a_reliable_source My take is that it is ok to use but if anyone can find another source on this story that would help 194.83.139.177 (talk) 09:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

à propos

"Establishing what happens now at Dignitas is very difficult as employees are required to maintain secrecy." This is quite an interesting remark. I wonder whether it's true. Sadly I don't find the quoted source trustworthy on this particular matter, as it stems from a blog that appears to be maintained by the executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition Canada. Being a Swiss Citizen myself I am also courious about the source of the alleged secrecy requirement. I don't think I know any law that would make this necessary. I'm actually convinced that the quoted remark is untrue, the reason being that my grandfather recently took his life and apparently the lady from EXIT told my mother quite a bit about her work. I doubt that things are that different with Dignitas.

References and Title

I have added some references. The title for this section is incorrect- Dignitas are not a euthanasia group since this is not legal in Switzerland. The correct title should be, Dignitas (assisted dying group). Would contributers agree to moving the page to this new title? --Claud Regnard (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agreed. In fact, 'euthanasia group' is pretty much the opposite of their mission, and is hardly an impartial title. -98.154.249.46 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

The title is wrong, misleading and not neutral: Dignitas is an Assisted Suicide organization. Euthanasia means something completely different. How is an article title changed? AlexL (talk) 13:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers don't seem to add up

One part of the article says "Ludwig Minelli said in one interview [4] in March 2008 that Dignitas had thus far assisted 840 people, 60% of them Germans."

Another part states "As of October 2008, approximately 1000 British citizens had travelled to Switzerland from the UK to die at one of Dignitas' rented apartments in Zurich." (this is not referenced).

Of course, the first one is from March 2008 and the second one is from October 2008, but still it seems extremely unlikely to me that if in March 2008 Dignitas had helped 840 people, of which 60% were Germans (so at most a few hundred Britons), seven months later the number had been as many as 1,000. Sure it's possible that some of those Britons had chickened out (though if a significant part of them cancelled their plans, it should probably be mentioned), but overall it doesn't seem to add up.

DiamonDie (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Clarification needed

What does "Afterward, Pratchett immediately announced that he had obtained applications from Dignitas, and is currently weighing his decision." mean? What does 'to obtain applications' mean? This is not a standard English construction, and 'Afterward' should be corrected to 'Afterwards'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.180.117 (talk) 14:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Exit?

In the "Patient Selection" heading, a (new?) organization, called Exit, is referred to several times. Nowhere previous in the article is it explained what Exit is or how it is related to Dignitas. Does anyone know? gnfnrf (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]