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Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon have become parents to twins, a baby girl and boy. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20110430/ten-mariah-carey-gives-birth-to-twins-5f8abb3.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.21.111 (talk) 08:56, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Removed preceding comment per WP:NOTFORUM. Novice7 (talk) 16:29, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Photo in infobox

Wikipedia in use: The photo in the infobox was used for an illustration in an interview with Mariah for Time Out. --David Shankbone 16:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Change of photo in info box

Petergriffin9901 changed the lead photo on the 21st of October. Since then his edit has been reverted 4 times by 4 different editors. Each time Petergriffin9901 has reverted it back.

The problem is that;

1. The existing photo is very good and clearly shows the subject.
2. The replacement clutters the image with a second person who has very little to do with this article.

Can I asked Petergriffin9901 to stop edit warring over this and explain why the picture he is adding is better for the purpose? The "Quite a few editors" who agree with the change could contribute to the discussion, as so far there is no evidence of them on this talk page.

Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 19:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Can I ask where there is a rule that the photo should not have another person in it? Or anything else your claiming? I happen to think its opinion based. You can leave it here and well see what people think.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there is a "rule". But it's generally accepted that, whenever possible, the best photos to lead an article are of the subject alone. Featuring someone else can be confusing. Which is which? (No, I'm not suggesting that's a problem in this case) Who is this other person? What is their significance? Why are they in this article? Are they usually seen together? Are they in a relationship? It's all a needless distraction, particularly when there is a perfectly acceptable, high quality photo of Carey alone available. There is no reason to replace it. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

nothing big...

just wanted to point out that the word enthusiastic is misspelled —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.167.112 (talk) 03:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 11:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey's birthday is incorrect. She was Born March 27, 1969 according to her Driver license, her record of birth in the county she was born and her high school record's which have been checked. It has erroniously been listed in several magazines and 1970. Nov 29, 2010Rock1020 (talk) 05:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Truth...

Five-octave vocal range? This is complete fabrication. She was even removed from the Guiness Book of Records because it's simply not true. She can not and does not have a five-octave vocal range. Even real singers do not have such a range (opera singers) … please correct this sycophantic lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.212.184 (talk) 00:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Removed from the Guiness World Records? Do people stay in those books every year? I thought a new book was published with new achievements. If you read the article, there's a statement from a voice expert that says she has more than that because she can whisper and go straight through to the whistle. Jayy008 (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

It is completely true. If you look on youtube there are live vocal range videos that professional piano teachers have posted that prove she has well above a five-octave vocal range. You obviously have no idea of musical notes or voice. I suggest you edcuate yourself. Besides we have many reliable sources for the claim.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Double check, but I think the song "Without you" is actually by Harry Nilsson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.99.182 (talk) 14:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

"With You" was by Badfinger, before Harry Nilsson. Jayy008 (talk) 12:56, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

SO embarrassed for you right now. It's proven she has a five octave vocal range. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m11c_wSqOdM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.2.95 (talk) 10:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I think maybe you should learn that a fan-made YouTube video is hardly a reliable source. The sources that are reliable are in the "voice" section on the main page. I think this conversation is terminated. Jayy008 (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you got to be fairly stupid to not get the fact she got that enormous range, even if it's a youtube video, if she hits a G2 and a G7, she hit it. It's like saying she is not a woman because, there are no reliable sources. I know that in opera world other criteria are used but this is a popular singer, her full range can be counted in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.120.8 (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I apologize, but screeching in 40 registers cannot simply count as singing. She does not have five octaves vocal range. I myself was witness when her voice was manipulated in a New York studio to go beyond her natural capabilities. Either have a RELIABLE source, not her PR troupe, prove it, or remove that blatant lie. Oh, and most of the videos that are available now, particularly featuring dear Mariah, have been re-recorded in studio environments. I was there as well.Sgracanin (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Then how do you explain over 20 years of successful studio albums, numerous hit singles and live vocal performances? Was that all "engineered?" If she couldn't sing, we would've found out by now. Twenty years is a long time to live a lie. Especially one this huge. Elemental5392 (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

So many claims of ridiculously enormous vocal ranges are bunk. This is Wikipedia, so you should be able to produce reliable secondary sources as references for such claims. You have to have, for instance, a credible recording (and it's so easy to electronically modify a recording), and identify exacly what high note she sings, and when. Likewise, a low note. A claim of her vocal range must include a Wikipedia-compliant reference documenting the highest note, and likewise the lowest note, that she is proven to have sung, and those notes define the range that may rightly be claimed in this article. So far, there is no such evidence. Youtube videos posted by fans don't really measure up. Fan claims are not usually considered suitable. If you're going to make extraordinary claims, back them up with verifiable facts. Carey can hit some extremely high notes in the "whistle" register, but that's not enough to support the 5-octave claim. Show a reliable reference to a low baritone note, specifying exactly what note, and also an amazingly high "whistle" register note, specify the exact notes, and enter the citation(s) properly into the article. That's the standard that should be maintained on Wikipedia. Youtube links to unverified fan-edited videos, on the article's talk page, are NOT sufficient. Simply making claims that it's "proven" is not the same as actually proving it. Proof of an extremely high note is not proof of any specific vocal range unless there is also proof of a low note. BOTH a high note and a low note, at least five octaves apart, are required to make the claim that she has a five octave range. So far, evidence of such a range has not been presented. 4.154.250.67 (talk) 03:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

We cannot give her age without citation

Her birth year was given on this article as 1970, making her age 40, without the required citation. Major news outlets including the NY Daily News and CBS News (!) both give 41. Please see Derschowitz, Jessica. "Mariah Carey: I'm Pregnant", CBS News, October 28, 2010 9:40 AM and Everett, Cristina. "Mariah Carey is pregnant! Singer confirms she is expecting first child with husband Nick Cannon", Daily News, Thursday, October 28th 2010, 9:33 AM --Tenebrae (talk) 16:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've found three WP:RS cites that give two different ages -- Daily News and CBS News above says she's 41,while AllMusic.com says she's 40. I've given all three sources and noted that "sources vary". --Tenebrae (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

People Magazie confirmed her age with birth records, school records, and NY state ID records. Please return her DOB to 3/27/69. Thanks. 69.140.66.37 (talk) 01:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

That's good. Can you give a cite and link for where People says that? We can't do anything with a verifying cite. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed that in the interim, someone changed "1969 or 1970 (sources vary)" to just "1970". I've changed it back to the "sources vary" version. Reliable sources running the gamut from AllMusic.com to CBS to the NY Daily News give different years. Without definitive proof one way or the other, changing it to either year is POV. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Without citation, someone wrote in an edit summary today that "Carey herself" claimed the younger age. First, that's primary source. Second, stars lie about their ages all the time. Third, where is the cite for that? It's not footnoted here. By Wikipedia definition, CBS News and the NY Daily news are highly reliable sources. You cannot simply ignore WP:RS third-party sources just because they disagree with your belief. I believe if we take this to WP:RfC that the majority of editors will confirm they are indeed WP:RS third-party sources. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

The problem here is you will find reliable third party sources for both years. Carey herself has done a very good job muddying the waters over this and is in no hurry to clarify. So I suspect that unless a reliable source can be bothered to do a in-depth investigation to uncover the truth, like it actually matters, we may never be able to settle the matter. Did People Magazine really do this? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Whether People went through all that, I don't know. I do know that its Mariah Carey page here says: "Mariah Carey: Date of Birth March 27, 1969. Birth Place Huntington, N.Y." It's a Time Inc. publication and generally very good about these sorts of things.

I agree with you: We completely find reliable third party sources for both years, so I don't see how we can do anything but give both years and say "sources vary". --Tenebrae (talk) 21:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Her birthday just passed on March 27. Well, these sources note she was born in 1969. Here, here, and here. Also, it's funny how it varies even on Google: this source says she's 42, yet some others still say 41. Not sure. I don't think it's something that will be resolved anytime soon, but like I mentioned before, usually it is mandated that American teens attend high school until they are 18 years old: she graduated in 1987, so she must of been born in 1969. Currently, though, we still don't have anything so definite showing the exact birth year. Estheroliver (talk) 00:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

[1] Here is an interview promoting debut album where she says she recorded when she was 19 (1989) and the album came out when she was 20 (1990). It implies she was born in 1970. Unless she was lying about her age back then, but I don't understand why she would.

At around 2:30 Donnie Simpson: So you're album was released when you were 19? Mariah Carey: Um... yeah, no, 20. I recorded when I was 19. Donnie Simpson: Okay. --PoppleGumBop (talk) 10:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The twins' birth certificates have just been revealed here. These documents show the mother's birthyear to be 1970. Jjmcspooh (talk) 08:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Can someone expand her legacy section

I know her legacy section is alright., But 2/3's of it is all achievements. I don't have any problem with that, but I'm wishing to expand her legacy section with influences and quotes from music critics or people about her legacy, her works, and influence in the music world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.119.240 (talk) 12:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

typo

{{edit semi-protected}} In section 2.1, citation 195: "She also have rounded, ..." should be "She also has ..."

Benitobertoli (talk) 01:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that statement appears in a direct quote. Unless it is a misquote (which is possible, I do not have the book quoted at hand), it is generally good form to refrain from modifying quotes even for mechanics. I was about to add [sic], but it appears there are several other errors in that selection which should not be present. The passage in question is copied here for those who are more familiar with the article than I, with mistakes highlighted.

Vocal pedagogue Jeannette Lo Vetri make the same findings, stating,

"Although she can reaches alto bottom notes, she does not have a good control of the low register. Until she stays in soprano bottom range, it's easy, well mastered, but when she passes in mezzo or contralto low range, the sound is unhealthy. In contrast, she possesses a superb top. It's crystal-clear—thought sometimes it's breathy—it's effortless, agile, sweet, and luminous. She also have [a?] rounded, warm, full medium and upper chest register, especially in 1996. Though the medium is often breathy and thin—for example: "Butterfly", "Without You" or "Against All Odds"—and that her highest notes in upper chest register sometimes sounds strained and raspy—like the high E's in "Butterfly", the high F at the end of "Prisoner" or the high D's at the end of 'Make It Happen' [sentence fragment]."

Intelligentsium 03:08, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Please explain to me what exactly is the difference between mezzo-soprano bottom and soprano bottom? I know contralto bottom ranges from about A2 to C3 but isn't the mezzo-soprano bottom note D3. Because if that's the case, D3 is a rather easy low note for her to sing: it may not have been easy for her early in her career but it's certainly an easy note for her now. Sorry but I really want to understand this: it's on record that she's sang E2 in the studio and G#2 live. What is an unhealthy low note? Is it a low note that's very quiet and not very full or is it a low note that's being forced and it's the verge of vocal fry? Elemental5392 (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

1980s-1990s? Why does it say that she started in the 80's? I was born in the 90's and I don't remeber even hearing her name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.82.187.246 (talk) 05:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't say anywhere that her career started in the 80s. If you're referring to the section that says 1988 - 1992, that's to indicate the start of her recording contract/career. Her first album wasn't released until 1990, as the article states. SKS (talk) 05:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

This IP user has been almost exclusively changing 1990s years to 2000. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Yes. Novice7 | Talk 13:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I haven't heard of her until the 2000's and I was born in the 90's. Does she still sing?

Sorry if I hurt you. Yes, she still does. She was actually more famous in the 90's than in the 2000's. Novice7 | Talk 07:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Graduated high school in 1987

Prior to the announcement of the pregnancy, I had always read that Wikipedia listed her as being born in 1970. However, I believe she actually was born in 1969. American children are typically 18 upon graduation; the Wikipedia article never specified her graduate year, though these links cite 1987 here, here, and here. It makes more sense, as I had always wondered how she would of been able to move to New York City, attend and complete 500 hours of beauty school, and still have enough time to meet the producer so fast. It's not impossible, but it seemed unlikely since if she were born in 1970, she'd have graduated in 1988. She met the producer in 1988. Estheroliver (talk) 03:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I've since added the fact about high school to the article with the aforementioned sources. Estheroliver (talk) 03:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Mariah has more number 1s than elvis!!

"Carey earned her eighteenth number one single on the Hot 100, which ties her with Elvis Presley for the most by any solo artist" this is wrong, elvis has 17 number 1s!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artists_who_reached_number_one_in_the_United_States — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 16:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Muammar Gaddafi

For information : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/world/africa/23cables.html?_r=1 http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beyonce-mariah-carey-and-usher-performed-at-qaddafi-family-parties-20110224 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.170.96.81 (talk) 13:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

hsn collection?

should we mention mariahs hsn collection? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 21:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

What are HSNs? -- Hoary (talk) 04:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

her home shopping network collection — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 18:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

personal life

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Personal Life

Mariah Carey is as active online as she is in the real world. She has established a presence across many different forms of social networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, and her own website.

Her twitter account (as of March 3, 2011) is ‘twitter.com/MariahCarey,’her myspace page is 'myspace.com/mariahcarey.' and her fan page on Facebook is under ‘Mariah Carey.’ She also has her own website, ‘mariahcarey.com,’ and takes personal responsibility in updating professional and personal aspects of her life onto each site. Her mixture of promoting her career as a singer, entertainer, and socially responsible role model with her personal and private life has successfully generated masses of fans from all over the world. Mariah is just shy of four million followers on Twitter and around the same number of fans on her Facebook page.

This is an important cultural spectacle due to its communicative and connective nature amongst a celebrity and their fan. Through such channels of communications, Mariah Carey as a celebrity is able to express public and private affairs at her own discretion and allow those that would normally not have access to Mariah Carey’s personal issues have equal access to it as anyone else with such devices or online accounts. Not only are information regarding Mariah Carey made more readily available to the public, but it is an on-going live activity. Her updates on Twitter and Facebook, especially, are able to produce thousands of responses and feedback from her fans within minutes or even seconds.

Looks to me like no more than a long-winded and puffy way of saying that she has a website and the routine web folderol (Twitter, Facebook, whatever) that allow her to market herself and keep the fans happy. How does this distinguish her from other singing celebs? -- Hoary (talk) 04:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Hoary. Sorry, can't add. Novice7 (talk) 10:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Work needed

Hello everyone! This article currently appears near the top of the cleanup listing for featured articles, with several cleanup tags. Cleanup work needs to be completed on this article, or a featured article review may be in order. Please contact me on my talk page if you have any questions. Thank you! Dana boomer (talk) 15:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree that this article needs a ton of work. I will volunteer to c/e it, fix the sourcing and re-craft it. I just need some time. Please bear with me before nominating it for review. Thanks!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 02:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Typos in Timbre and Technique subsection?

This next bit looks like a typo unless I'm misunderstanding how some technical music words are used. It says "adding that belting and head voices has a great brightness" but surely the word voices is plural so it would be "have a great brightness"? Cloveapple (talk) 07:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Voice section

MC's voice section is chock full of false sources and quotes. Example: "According to Spanish soprano Montserrat Caballé, "Carey is such a musician. Perfect timing, divine accuracy, subtle and refined phrasing, melismas always connected to the rhythm and structure of song, infaillible ability to etablish and resolving musical ideas and theme and effortless combination of climax and resolve." —Preceding unsigned comment added by BEBACB (talk • contribs) 14:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

14th Studio Album, new news 7/6/2011

Reports are surfacing that Mariah is releasing her 14th studio album at the end of 2011. Don't know whether it is worth mentioning or not? calvin999 (talk) 11:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, have you got a reliable source? Jayy008 (talk) 11:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

A quote from Nick Cannon: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2011/05/15/2011-05-15_mariah_carey_planning_to_release_a_new_album_this_year_singer_recorded_it_while_.html calvin999 (talk) 18:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It really is still too early to add. All we know is that she's "recorded material during the pregnancy" and "hopes to have material out by the end of the year." I say we wait until more details and information are made known. If you would like, then add 2 lines about how she is working on it, no more though.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:53, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

If you think it's too early then I won't add anything :) calvin999 (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll added a little something something :) Check it out.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Cool thanks :D calvin999 (talk) 12:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

she said in life and style magazine that the new album is coming soon

I also wrote a charity record called "Save the Day" with my friends Jermaine Dupri and Randy Jackson that will be on my new album, coming soon. nick cannon told perez hilton that the album is like her first 2 albums http://perezhilton.com/2011-06-07-nick-cannon-talks-mariah-careys-new-album

Edit request from 76.248.92.39, 15 May 2011

Template:Birth date 1968

76.248.92.39 (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Please provide a source for the Birthdate. Novice7 (talk) 13:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

mariahs birth date finally confirmed

mariah has stated on her twins birth certificates her date of birth as 27/3/1970 http://www.mariahjournal.com/picturegallery/2011/0518-twins-bc/bc2.jpg http://www.mariahjournal.com/picturegallery/2011/0518-twins-bc/bc1.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 11:19, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey People participating the MC wiki project

do you have any pictures to be inserted in her Legacy section especially a picture with her and a rapper to flly justify her legacy in the Pop RnB Hip Hop rap collaboration. And I think her Legacy section needs to expanded with influences and not those lame achievements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by REGICUAZA (talk • contribs) 18:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

here is a page from mariah daily journel that is filled with celebrity quotes http://www.mariahjournal.com/infozone/quotes/celebquotes.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 19:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks anyways for the site, but that site is not that reliable. I mean wikipedia don't claim or accept sources from blogs, fansites,etc cause that would be biased, more likely it would be helpful if we have sources from legitimate books and legitimate sites like rolling stones, slant, those legit magazines, abcnews.com, etc etc. mtv.com., etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by REGICUAZA (talk • contribs) 11:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

well i have a few celebrity names melody thorton has a page on her website about mariah http://onlythemelody.com/2010/09/10/classic-mariah/ that website from mariahdaily says the magazines where the quotes come from —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 13:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm searching for pictures... As for the quotes, you could try pasting them on the Google Search. It might help. I'll look through the Mariah Bio I have. You can try Google Books and Google News Archive. Btw, you both should sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~) Novice7 (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

If someone could find the pictures and legit sources that would be awesome. I did start to make a legacy section of Fantasy but it needs to be expanded, cause I've seen Madonnas songs have legacy section why not MC's? I bet All I Want For Christmas Is You, Hero, Vision of Love, and Fantasy are worthy enough to have a legacy section. As for her albums her Debut, Daydream, Merry Christmas, Butterfly and #1's(cuz it set the trend for future acts releasing compilation with #1 songs)are also worthy for having that section. I've heard that Dreamlover was one of the first to be remixed into mainstream pop and therefore set a trend for future acts in remixes especially in MC's song. Many people try to underestimate Mimi as only a Pop Diva who has Number songs, but little do they know she is really a trend maker in music and that INFLUENTIAL! People are always caught up with the Diva image and therefore not recognizing how influential and innovative Mariah is in the Music Industry.Kyogrouza 16:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by REGICUAZA (talk • contribs) 16:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Very good. Thank you so much for your help. Novice7 (talk) 16:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

heres some pictures. http://www.mariahjournal.com/picturegallery/index.shtml il try to search for more later but im busy right now. Popiconmc 16:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)popdivamc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry, but we can't use them. They're not free images. Novice7 (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKSTGbftL6I maybe this might help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 16:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Again, I'm sorry to say no. That is a copyright violation. Novice7 (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

i dont mean to sound rude. what can we use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 16:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

what about these to help.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQDtZ5ckxz8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHhPhy4awIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im2Z_FG0ZbU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDf1rIhRtKg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpC-cJvVRYQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Wf1cziYf0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFxaIMufgm8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipME5t8BltQ&feature=related

it says here in this article that beyonce told the author that vision of love inspired her http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/03/060403crmu_music (Five years ago, before a concert in Peoria, Illinois, Beyoncé Knowles told me that she started doing vocal “runs” after hearing “Vision of Love. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 14:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

it says on rihannas wiki page ,One of Rihanna's major influences and idols is Mariah Carey. She says, "I looked up to [Mariah] a lot and I still do. I admire her as an artist, and to [compete with her] was a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life. heres the soucre, its at the butom http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1512953/rihanna-brings-on-acting-career-with-bring-it-on.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 15:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ughmm I don't know on youtube let the experts decide, but i have a feeling wikipedia won't accept that sources. As for Beyonce it was already mentioned. As for Rihanna that's good, we can insert it in her legacy page. We need more claims and those legit sources. Kyogrouza 15:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by REGICUAZA (talk • contribs)

would this website be suitable? its kelly clarkson talking abot mc http://popdirt.com/miffed-clarkson-defends-mariah-sneers-at-critics/20148/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popiconmc (talk • contribs) 17:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Again that website is not acceptable for Wikipedia. Try searching claims from Newspaper, Magazines, News site. Those that have names like Denver Post, Slant Magazine, NY times, Herald Sun, People, MTV news, Any US or UK publications(legit only) etc. etc. I think that would help. Kyogrouza 10:30, 23 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by REGICUAZA (talk • contribs) 10:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The article says, "she returned to the top of pop music in 2005 with her album The Emancipation of Mimi.[3][4] The album became the best-selling album of the 2000s decade..." ... That is not even close to true, see: http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-12-08-musicdecade08_ST_N.htm ... The article, perhaps should read, "...became HER best-selling of the 2000s..." Also, 2000s decade is redundant. I'd fix it myself, but the article is semi-protected or some garbage, of course going against the whole point of being Wiki, but, hey, who cares when a small club can dominate and completely control all of the information on the site, as that is far more important than sticking to your mission statement and original intent. Anyhow, yah, that clear, erroneous error should be fixed. --75.85.65.1 (talk) 17:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Legacy Page Expansion

Anyone is free to add any articles claims and sayings about Mariah's influence and legacy. With helpful sites we can construct a more diverse but verifiable of course, legacy section. I would also like to add, if any one could start creating a paragraph about Mariah's diva behavior by saying, "Carey is also a subject of public scrutiny due to her alleged diva behavior(source) that has often played out numerous parodies(source) and is often a subject to pop culture humor.(source)" And sayings of Critics(ex.from N.Y.Times). Sayings. Sayings from colleagues. Examples. Notable Examples from Mad Tv. Glitter. and Etc, etc. I hope someone knowledgeable enough could start this one. Thanks. Kyogrouza 12:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by REGICUAZA (talk • contribs)

in nicki minaj's song 'girls fall like dominoes' there is a lyric 'I'm feeling like a diva then I hit Mariah Carey'

heres some diva romours http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-556452/Viva-La-Diva-Mariah-Careys-outrageous-demands-dog-chauffeur-100-pairs-shoes-1-000-throne.html

about.com Top 10 Pop Music Divas of All Time http://top40.about.com/od/top10lists/tp/popdiva.htm num1 mariah

Mariah Carey has more #1 pop hits in the US than anyone but the Beatles. She is a winner of five Grammy Awards. After her career seemed to be fading in the early 2000's, she returned with the hit "We Belong Together" spending 14 weeks at #1 and becoming one of the biggest pop hit singles of all time.

Close to losing its FA status if bias isn't addressed.

I have a few major problems with how this article has been edited and would like to say that if the article isn't cleaned-up, it shouldn't have the privilege of being a featured article. Already, there are grammatical mistakes, poorly referenced sources that are not in line with WP's policies, and biased statements that have been added by a few editors who seemingly don't place an emphasis on reputability.

I don't have any problem with adding additional information as long as it is correctly sourced and comes from a reliable reference. My history as an editor reflects that. Howeve, One user whom I have seen edit this article quite a bit (and go into editing violations) seems to not want to abide by Wikipedia's policies of WP:LEAD, WP:PEA, or WP:3RR. Just today, they reverted by edit which deleted information in the lead that directly contradicts what is already in subsequent sections. This user is REGICUAZA. This user has already been warned and blocked for vandalism in the past. I have tried to reach out and explain their behavior, but they haven't taken any of my or other users' comments into consideration. Ignoring grammatical errors and placing biased or un-sourced information into the article has damaged its reliability, and has done serious damage to the criteria required for FA's, per WP:FACR. Now, I do not have enough time to undo all the edits this user has made. Even the ones I have reverted have been to no avail since they it right back. I have already reported them for the three-revert rule, but I need assistance in keeping this article featured. One user shouldn't jeopardize that. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 20:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)