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Bloody Thursday
As far as I can see, the Bloody Thursday article doesn't specify where the epithet Bloody Thursday (or the others) comes from. As it's the article title you should tie this usage to a solid reference. It might also be useful to create a disambiguation page, as anyone keying in "Bloody Thursday" without specifying the year in the title format would be taken via a redirect to "1934 West Coast waterfront strike". It's not very difficult - I'd do it myself if I weren't keeping away from article involvement - but there's a potential risk of dispute as you negotiate your way round the existing redirect. (As an incidental word of warning in relation to the article, steer well clear of involving this topic with the "List of Massacres" article - the subject is a black hole for time and effort.) Opbeith (talk) 09:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- The article is still in progress and will probably change a lot when I'm done with. It definitely will specify where the epithet Bloody Thursday comes from and will work on the disambiguation page - I already have worked on stuff that before. About that topic, I'm not really interested in it and after a fast look I think it's inaccurate. Bahraini Activist (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just found that there is a topic about it in Arabic Wikipedia here. Bahraini Activist (talk) 14:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
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Salaam
Salaam friend. I was in vacation and didn't see you note there. I wrote a new neutral paragraph. Have a look. Regards, --Aliwiki (talk) 18:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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I was wondering if you could give you opinion on the picture nomination to be a featured picture. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Mohammed al-Tajer
You seem to be one of Wikipedia's experts on the Bahraini uprising... would you have any interest in taking a quick look over Mohammed al-Tajer for errors or omissions? Cheers! -- Khazar (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have had a fast look indeed, it seems good and need expansion. I'll take another deep look when I get time. Good job. Bahraini Activist (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
- Cheers, thanks. I think I've taken it about as far as I can with the English language web, but if you come across anything else that fits in, go for it! -- Khazar (talk) 17:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Barnstar of Liberty
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To User:Bahraini Activist for tireless, comprehensive, and terrific work on articles related to the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. Khazar (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC) |
- I've been reading through the work you've been doing all morning. Wikipedia needs more folks like you! Cheers, Khazar (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I hope it was worthwhile spending that time :) Bahraini Activist (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well worth it! -- Khazar (talk) 20:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Salute
I saw your comment on Ameer's page, and I took a look at your contributions, and I wanted to wish you the best of luck. تعيش البحرين وسوريا وتونس ومصر وكل بلادنا وتسقط كل الأنظمة! :) Salamat. Yazan (talk) 19:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for caring to post here and for nice wishes :) Salamat *Military salute*. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 04:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Bahrain Revolution
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Good night;
I'd read what you published on bahrainonline Forum today and I am fully ready to participate in publishing the facts of our Revolution. To crush the gov.media and misinformation. Please contact me for any help regards; Om Abdulla Om.Abdulla.83 (talk) 19:42, 30 January 2012 (UTC) |
hi
dont forget that the people that were tortured are in bad condition physicly , they need psychological treatment , they don't have future because of the trials from the courts , they can't work or study because they need a paper of something like behaviour from the government , some now don't eat , they think everyone is against them ..etc
this happening to my brother , he got tortured and now he's out from prison but it's still feels like living in prison to him out side , he even almost die because of the food they eat in prison , i hope you write these things and see if this happened to the others... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark-Cloud4 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Fadhila Mubarak
Hey B.A., I know you've got plenty to do already, but I put up a new activist article you might be interested in if you know of any additional sources for it. (Even getting the Arabic spelling of her name on the article would be a help). Amnesty International named Fadhila Mubarak as a prisoner of conscience earlier today. I'm going to nominate this one for Wikipedia:Did you know tomorrow and see if I can get it some Main Page attention. Have you looked into Did You Know for your new articles, by the way? It's a great way to get exposure for all this work you've been doing. Next time that you create a new article, you might check it out. Enjoy the day! Khazar (talk) 01:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for caring to write articles about activist relating to the uprising and I'm sorry that I didn't have time to improve them further. This is a bit more detailed article about her in Bahrainrights. I'm not sure if a citation can be found, but this is the song she was listening to when she was arrested in the checkpoint. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 08:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
- My pleasure--thanks for the source, and the song. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thanks for your great work on articles about Bahrain and the uprising! KjUaiKlqOpSmq (talk) 12:42, 1 February 2012 (UTC) |
Thanks I guess, even though I never edited anything about writers or books :) Bahraini Activist Talk to me 15:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Naser Bader al-Raas
Here's an Amnesty alert on a Canadian citizen Bahrain is planning to lock up. You know the overall articles on the uprising better than I do--is there any place to logically insert this? [1]. It doesn't look like he's notable enough for an individual article yet, but if he is imprisoned, the Canadian press will no doubt be all over it.
Enjoy the day! Khazar (talk) 13:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not sure honestly. According to news he was arrested today. If he doesn't qualify for a separate article then I guess the best place would be "Censorship and repression" section in the main article 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. Maybe we need to make a new section or article about those people who are involved, but yet still not notable enough. Here are some news related to him, which might help establish notability: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] and in Arabic: [9], [10], [11]. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 15:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- I take it back, that's plenty for notability; I was foolishly Googling for his full name and didn't get those results. I'll probably try to write this one up in the next 24 hrs or so. It'd still be good to find a way to link him up with other articles to avoid his becoming an WP:Orphan, but I can probably just fit him on the template Thanks! -- Khazar (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Here are some tips for you:
- Search in Bahrain's Google: Google.com.bh
- When the name is in Arabic, try alternative spellings (e.g. Nasser instead of Naser - I know this might be hard for you since you don't know the Arabic pronunciation).
- If you can, try to get the Arabic spelling and search for news in local newspapers, most notably Al Wasat [12].
Let me tell you again that you're doing a great job :) Bahraini Activist Talk to me 15:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, and those tips should be a help! Cheers, Khazar (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
He's up. Can you add the Arabic spelling of his name in parentheses after the English spelling? It'll help Arabic speakers find the article for translation. I think I'll nominate this for DYK in the morning, so if you can think of anything else we might add, feel free! Thanks again for the help with sources. Cheers Khazar (talk) 04:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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Khazar
You posted on Khazar's talk, are you aware that he left us? Can you perhaps watch some of his pages, It's too much for me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- "he left us" made me think he died! Nevertheless, it's a great loss to Wikipedia. well, of course I'm ready to watch over and improve the pages relating to Bahrain, but that's all I can do. I'm aware of 3 articles relating to Bahrain: Mohammed al-Tajer, Fadhila Mubarak and Naser al-Raas Bahraini Activist Talk to me 09:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry if I didn't choose the right term, English is not my first language. And in a way it feels like death, especially as it is the second time, and I had been so happy that he returned. You could take a few more articles on your watch list, it doesn't hurt, simply notify someone else if you can't fix something you notice. I do that for 2 users already, it's getting too much to add his giant list, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
2011–2012 Bahraini uprising
I removed the tag. The article looks a lot better now. Nice work with it. Cheers. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Wikinews
Hi, Bahraini Activist, I've been trying to improve your Wikinews story and get it published. I hope you write again at Wikinews! It's a little bit different system and culture than here. I hope that news process doesn't discourage you. The basis of your last article was good. If you want to continue, I'd be happy to help you out. All the best, Crtew (talk) 05:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- I will continue. It's just that I couldn't find time to re-write the article. This is a great opportunity for me and I appreciate it. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 05:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. Unfortunately the infringement was so pervasive that the article had to be blanked. I encourage you to work on a new version by following this link. The previous version of the article is still available in the history. Once the new version is checked and cleared, an administrator will delete the original article and move the rewrite there. The standard notice below has more information for you. Voceditenore (talk) 16:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Don't worry, the article itself won't be deleted for at least 7 days, so you have plenty of time to work on the re-write. Just make sure that you don't repaste the copyright material into your draft on Wikipedia while you are working on it, even temporarily. You'll also find the guidance at WP:Close paraphrasing helpful for the re-writing. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- It was my mistake in the first place, I tend to be lazy sometimes, and I think you handled it appropriately (I didn't panic like last time when one of articles written by me was tagged for deletion). I have started rewriting, but I must say that I can't rewrite some sentences, because this could change the meaning. I will put them in quotes, since rewriting may change the legislative meaning (e.g. "similar manner of abuse" may not mean "systematic abuse"). Bahraini Activist Talk to me 17:08, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- I took a quick look at your progress, having seen the case flagged up at DYK. The section 'Specific techniques of mistreatment' copies the entire structure of the source, including the title, and each of the sub-section headings in the same order. Also much of the text in each individual sub-section remains too close to the original, very close in some cases. I wanted to point this out before you go any further. You need to rework the material in such a way as to present the same information, but without keeping so close to the original structure of the source. I know that this is much easier to say than to do, and is a problem that all wikipedia editors face, particularly when there is only one main source of information. I will try to come up with some suggested alternative text for that section (or at least make a start), but I'm currently fighting jetlag and have to go and do the dayjob tomorrow, so this may not happen until tomorrow evening my time (UTC). Please prod me if I haven't responded by this time tomorrow. Mikenorton (talk) 22:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for notifying me and for any help you intend to do. There are other sources for deaths, which will hopefully make work easier there. I hope I'll be done when you come today and will only have to make a review and small tweaks. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 05:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- This is my suggested alternative for the mistreatment techniques section - I've changed the section heading, altered the order and tried to just summarise each technique, although some of the original text is obviously still used
Mistreatment techniques
It is claimed that a number of particular techniques were used in the mistreatment of detainees, during their questioning by the Bahraini authorities, in order to gather information or to induce confessions. The techniques included:
- verbal abuse, particularly involving denigrating remarks about the detainees religion or family members
- the use of tight blindfolds and handcuffs
- long periods of solitary confinement
- sleep deprivation, keeping detainees awake with cold water, beatings and the use of loud noises
- forced standing, often on one leg
- regular beatings, on the back, the head and the soles of the feet, detainees were blindfolded so that they could not identify who was responsible
- use of extreme temperatures
- suspension by ropes in painful positions
- rape threats against the families of detainees
- the use of electric shocks and burning by cigarettes in a few cases
- sexual abuse
- various other types of degrading treatment including mock executions.
I often find it helps to start out with a summary, possibly adding back in other information later with quotes where paraphrasing is difficult. Mikenorton (talk) 23:18, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Copyright problem: Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising
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Problems with the rewrite
Unfortunately, I have had remove almost all of it today. It still consisted of verbatim paste and/or very close paraphrasings from the source documents. For example, see the duplication detector report comparing the WP text to one of the source texts (Bahrain: the Human Price for Freedom and Social Justice). [13] The other source [14] which accounted for the bulk of the infringement on is too long for the duplication detector and had to be checked manually.
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– Voceditenore (talk) 10:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- I haven't had time to look in detail at the re-write (Talk:Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising/Temp), but from a spot checks, it still has considerable problems of verbatim pasting and very close paraphrasing from the sources. Just one example:
- The Wikipedia article:
- When the family were finally able to see the body the next morning, the uncle reported via the lawyer Hanan AlAradi that there are clear marks of torture on the victims head and neck. There are also cigarette burns on his arms and bruises on different parts of the body.
- The source:
- When the family were finally able to see the body this morning, the uncle reports via the lawyer Hanan AlAradi that there are clear marks of torture on the victims head and neck. There are also cigarette burns on his arms and bruises on different parts of the body.
- - Voceditenore (talk) 09:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
- I have fixed the problem in the example you pointed out. If you could just point out where other CV issues are, this can be dealt with swiftly. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 12:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm afraid they cannot be dealt with swiftly. All you did was change a few words around or leave a few out. That whole Deaths section will need careful scrutiny before the article can be moved, and because you added so much pasted copyright material to the draft, many of its revisions may have to be deleted. I don't have time to go over it carefully now and won't until next week. However, I have left a note at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2012 February 19 that there is re-write but that it still needs to be very carefully checked before it can be used. Frankly, I'd remove all the "case histories" from the Deaths section. The detail is excessive and probably unnecessary at this point and given your continuing problems with close paraphrasing and copying, I very much doubt if you will be able to repair it adequately on your own. Voceditenore (talk) 08:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- I have fixed the problem in the example you pointed out. If you could just point out where other CV issues are, this can be dealt with swiftly. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 12:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Update - I've repaired the Yousif Ahmed Muwali section to give you an example of how to approach this if you still want to keep the individual "case histories". Observe the changes I made [15]. Trying to put too much detail into them instead of simply relating dispassionately the key points, will almost invariably lead you to close paraphrasing from sources. Voceditenore (talk) 08:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry for tiring you with me. I have made one more edit, in which a friend of me has helped me in the re-write, this includes edits to all parts of the article, and even those cleared of CV. Should have fixed all CV issues. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 10:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Greetings
Salam, user Bahraini activist. Just for curiosity, how's the situation about the Bahraini revolt? In my other page regarding the Yemen Revolution, Saleh finally steps down yesterday. 60.49.60.158 (talk) 07:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Salam, It's stuck here in Bahrain; the government is not willing to meet protesters demands and protesters are not giving up. No dialogue is going on. Opposition parties keep making 2-3 legalized sit ins and marches a week in areas away from the capital (they are not allowed to into the capital) which are usually attended by tens of thousands. Youth groups such as February 14 Youth Coalition keep organizing daily protests in villages attended by hundreds, which usually end with clashes with police using Molotovs. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 07:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry. The rebellions takes over the Habib Bourguiba Avenue, Tahrir Square, Martyr Square and the Change Square, certainly one way or another, Bahrainis can return back to the Lulu Roundabout. But I doubt the king will introduce his " Constitutional monarchy", just like Bashar al-Assad's reformation. But I was sad that while Souria Revolution gets worldwide attention, the Bahrain Revolt were treated as its Hizbollah terrorist funded the unrest, and gets very low media coverage on that. What say about this?
And do you have Syrian friends on your life? 60.49.60.158 (talk) 08:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah it's sad that many people don't know much about Bahrain. This is because most Arab media is controlled by Gulf monarchs who have clearly supported the Alkhalifa government both politically and materially (tear gas, arms, man power, etc). Also countries like UK, USA and Turkey supported the regime. These same countries are the ones standing with Syrian revolt which clearly shows that they don't care about people or democracy; they just care about their interests, and people are the victims.
- About lies about ties with Iran and Hezbollah, if these were true we'd be armed and actually defending our selves instead of just protesting, getting injured, women getting attacked by Pakistani police and the most anyone can do is document the case or throw some Moltovs (which hardly can hit target let alone infecting any injuries) I really don't bother even speaking with anyone who does actually believe that, because it tells me he or she is not using their brain and are probably full of sectarian agenda.
- I have many Arab friends including Syrians. One funny thing is that I only knew that there were Shia in Syria after the uprising began.
- There is one thing I forgot to mention, which is the excessive use of tear gas. Police fire really large amounts of it as collective punishment if any protest is going on, even after everyone gets home they just keep firing and firing. This has led to many deaths, many of them were documented, but many peiple are afraid to speak up. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 09:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not an Arab, but I don't know if you went to the AngryArab blog site, you can see that Syrians actually are the double victims from both the regime and the opposition. The real Syrian Revolt chanted "Silmiyah! Silmiyah!" and they prefer to continue their non-violent revolution. It's not that I'm against the Syrian revolt, and of course I still support the overthrow of Hamad and Bashar, but because too many people focus on Syria, so I decided to support your revolution for now.
This just show the hypocrisy of Saudi Arabia and the United States, parallel towards Iranian and Russian towards the Syrian regime. I came from Malaysia, my dumb and increasingly unpopular 50 years of the ruling regime who sents our "peacekeepers" in your country to help suppress the revolt. You know what's worst? People cried about Palestine and now Syria, but they don't know anything about Bahrain, and of course the king who ruled the country for 200 years.
I was in Facebook earlier and I chat with a friend talking about the Arab Revolt, he has a Saudi friend who hates Yemen simply because it has turn into republic and the country was poor as shit. Do you support the Yemeni Revolt and do you think Saleh ouster will further boost the revolt in Syria and Bahrain? At least I'm glad the revolt arrived in Qatif and Awamiyah. 60.49.60.158 (talk) 09:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Of course I support the Yemeni Revolt, but I don't think ousting Saleh will have much influence here. Many people see what happened in Yemen as "going around" the goals of Revolt. This is supported by the history in Bahrain when in 2001 the king promised to make change (constitutional monarchy + restore the constitution of 1973), released political prisoners, allowed those exiled to return.. etc. Those changes were promised in the National Action Charter of Bahrain which was voted in favor by 98.4% of people. Back then people in Sitra -which is now called the capital of the Revolution due to it's prominent role- carried the king's car over celebrating the "new era of reform". What actually happened in 2002 is a new constitution written exactly to suit the king and the ruling family with a parliament full of Gerrymandering and no power (it can't elect PM or ministers). The king continued to hold full power; he's the head of the judiciary, head of army, appoints PM and ministers and appoints the upper half of the parliament. All major political naturalization, corruption, land theft and discrimination occurred in his era. So I wouldn't be really optimistic unless all leading army and political positions are cleared of Saleh's relatives and corrupt party.
- Qatif and Awamiyah are effected very much by Bahrain due to the strong ties they share. Both of them were once part of a larger region known as Bahrain (historical region) and they are also Shia who share similar dialect. Protests started there since March 2011, but I don't know what happened, till recently when there were some deaths. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 12:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
If Sitra is the capital of revolution then you Bahrainis must have refer that as your "Benghazi"?
There are people from the opposition sides has been calling for reform, and the others are calling for the overthrow of monarchy. Who exactly are calling for reform and who exactly are calling for the abdication of the monarchy? 60.49.60.158 (talk) 03:05, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- No, it's just Sitra; it's been mentioned in many revolutionary songs. Most of those killed belong to it.
- Opposition parties:
- Reform: These parties call for real root changes in Bahrain to make it a constitutional monarchy, they've expressed these demands in Manama Paper. All of those parties are registered under the "societies law" (but they want it changed) and have led huge marches in February/March 2011, but stopped during the emergency period and started organizing marches/sit in after the end of emergency period. They include the main opposition and Islamic party, Al Wefaq National Islamic Society, the biggest secular society, National Democratic Action Society and 3 more relatively small parties: Progressive Democratic Tribune, Nationalist Democratic Rally Society and Al-Ekha National Society. During 2002 elections only the smaller parties contributed and won some seats, while Al Wefaq and NDAS as well as other parties calling for the fall of regime boycotted. In 2006 and 2010, Al Wefaq participated and won 65% votes, yet only 18/40 seats due to Gerrymandering (the other 40 seats of the upper house are completely appointed by king) - no other opposition party could win any seat. The head of NDAS Ibrahim Sharif, a Sunni is arrested, sentenced to 5 years. 2 former MPs of Al Wefaq were arrested, now both released. Also there is a youth group which organized car protest in Manama in September call February 14 Youth Movement.
- Fall of regime: These parties call for a republic or for the right of self determination. On 7 March 2011, 3 unregistered parties, namely: Haq Movement, Bahrain Freedom Movement and Al Wafa Islamic Party announced forming the "Coalition for Republic" calling to form a secular republic in Bahrain. Heads of Haq and Al Wafa were arrested, while BFM are based in London, but all of them were sentenced to life prison. February 14 Youth Coalition which is lead by anonymous activist calls for the right of self determination and has led huge marches to strategic places during February/March 2011, but since the emergency law they weren't able to organize marches in Manama and have resulted to burning tires on main highways and protests in villages as well as the famous return to Pearl roundabout marches (which is almost the only activity for them in Manama).
- Unclear: It's not clear what Islamic Action Society wants; it's registered, but didn't sign Manama paper, but still it sometimes participates with other parties in their marches. Half of it's leading board were arrested, some sentenced to life prison.
- Human rights activist: They don't have political goals, but since 2-3 months ago they started organizing weekly protests in Manama. They are led by Nabeel Rajab and other member of Bahrain Center for Human Rights. Their protests in Manama might be the biggest in center of Manama (but not outskirts of Manama) since March 2011.
- For more info about opposition parties, you can read this report. You can also check other reports found in Human rights reports on 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 06:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- I forgot that Nabeel Rajab has called for resignation of king Hamad (and not the whole monarchy) just 2 days ago. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 07:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Given that you speak about the king not willing to make dialogue, do you think there are still hope that he could revive it again? And also, any other foreign parties besides the new Tunisian President Moncef Marzouki and Iran-led Shia activists call for downfall of the monarchy?
Should if (hypothetically speaking) you are the new leader of Bahrain after the so-called "post-Khalifa" era, what kind of new foreign policy you want to modify? Or should it return it to normal? 60.49.60.158 (talk) 08:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- The government is willing to make a dialogue, but one like Bahrain national dialogue, where opposition parties are under represented and without making any real concession. Thus opposition parties have set a number of pre-conditions such as the release of political prisoners (which was already recommend by BICI report). Those who call for fall of regime refuse any type of dialogue with government. In my opinion any future dialogue will have to be paired with big political changes even before it begins.
- I haven't tracked much of the foreign statements about the uprising, so I can't answer this question.
- That question is hard and needs long time to think. But if you asked about what will Al Wefaq's (the most popular society that will probably win elections) foreign policy be, I'd say they'd keep close relations with US, seeing they have monthly or so meetings with US officials. But they stated they'd put the US 5th fleet treaty on referendum. In Bahrain during the 1980s, the 1990s and even parts of the 2000s, the chant "death to America" was very common, but it stopped for a long while, only to return in minor protests in 2011-2012. If I remember correctly, one member of a small party allied with Al Wefaq stated 2 weeks ago that if US doesn't change it's policy towards Bahrain "we'll bring back 'death to America' slogan". Honestly, I see the genuine reasons which led to the trouble between US and Iran after the revolution of 1979 present in Bahrain (with many differences). Bahraini Activist Talk to me 11:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Alright, bro. Thanks for the discussion. Wonderful dialogue. Before I end here, do you have Facebook profile or something? I can't talk too much on Wikipedia since I don't consider here as long chit-chat site. 60.49.60.158 (talk) 03:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)