User talk:EdJohnston

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Inventions

(Previous discussion at User talk:2.239.136.182)

Hello, a separate article on Tito's funeral is not aencyclopedic and it's only propaganda for Josip Broz, who was not benevolent dictator: there are many books and sources in English language and other languages. In Josip Broz Tito I removed that source, simple because sentence largest funeral in history is invention! I know book of Jasper Godwin Ridley (25 May 1920 – 1 July 2004) and there is not sentence largest funeral in history in any page! But Josip Broz Tito's article is a serie of propaganda's inventions in every section! 2 examples are in section [Historical criticism]: authors Ivo Goldstein and Sabrina Ramet in those inserted sources accuse Broz Tito of crimes and not defense him with invented telegram's legend! I can continue but you can read Broz Tito's version in simple English which has many linked books and sources.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.239.136.182 (talk • contribs) 11:47, 4 April 2013‎ (UTC)

Kammrup region lede

User:Bhaskarbhagawati has again edited the lede on Kamrup region (diff) without first trying to resolve the issue on the talk page (Talk:Kamrup region#Lede dispute -- A summary). If you recall, he initiated the process (here) Chaipau (talk) 09:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I have notified Bhaskarbhagawati so that he may respond here if he wishes. EdJohnston (talk) 15:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello EdJohnston ! Thanks for your message. Actually i tried to incorporate original lede i.e at the time of creation which has inline reference and Chaipau's version as compromise till we reach consensus in later time. Please advice us. भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 15:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Since Chaipau reverted your change, it seems not to have consensus. Can you open a discussion with him to reach an actual agreement before changing the lead again? By now you're in deep water and you should consider making a serious effort to be diplomatic. EdJohnston (talk) 15:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Grateful for your guidance. Please check this government district links to verify name of Kamrup in ancient times http://kamrup.nic.in/histfr.htm http://kamrupmetro.nic.in/history.asp Thanks ! भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 16:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Giving me content arguments is not helpful. Please get back to me after you've contacted User:Chaipau and reached an agreement with him. Or link to any discussion where you think consensus was reached. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:36, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for inserting some urgency into this matter. I went ahead and created a section where we could work on a compromise text (diff), starting with the current text. The two subsequent inputs from User:Bhaskarbhagawati (diff) and (diff) are entirely without any effort at a meaningful discussion. I would like you to consider closing this exercise, or suggest another course of action, though if you think we should persevere with this kind of exchange, we will. My experience in the past suggests I shall waste valuable time trying to keep the discussion meaningful. Chaipau (talk) 18:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

While i am struggling to keep sourced lede over none one, this double standard is noteworthy. भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 11:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Mieszko 8

Hi, I've commented at ANI; fully support the indef, could consider a ban if it continues. GiantSnowman 08:46, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Campaign for "santorum" neologism

ANEW report

Ed, if you're still around, I'm about to go off-wiki. I'm trying to negotiate (only in my administrative capacity) a resolution to the content dispute and edit warring at the above article. And I'm trying to do it without blocks and without locking the article. Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic. For a while, it was progressing, but User:TheRedPenOfDoom is testing the limits of my patience. If he reverts again, I intend to block him, although I'm not happy about it. He's a valuable but very stubborn editor. Anyway, if you're around, you have my "permission" to do whatever you think best with the article and with the editors. If I block TRPoD, you may unblock him without consulting with me. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:13, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

You are probably off-wiki, but I decided to lock the article and commented why at ANEW. I was juggling too many balls with my earlier approach, and it was too difficult to control.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Full protection is a wonderful thing. EdJohnston (talk) 03:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I should've done it from the get-go. That'll teach me to try for a complex solution. Somehow I don't think 3 days will be enough, but we'll see.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Recent log entry in WP:ARBMAC

I actually did that already in September 2011. They've ignored several warnings back then, I also blocked them for a day a while ago, and now recently they've done it again and now I blocked them for a week. I should mention that WHOIS appears useless - it's an IP in a block of 4k IPs that's just marked as customers of some random Serbian ISP. We don't know if it's a single person, a group, a company, a dorm, a proxy, or whatever. I later noticed they interacted with an editor at User talk, but not before cursing at them elsewhere. *facepalm* It seems to me that a pattern of escalation will follow, not dissimilar to the case of Ali Muratovic - they'll come back, continue unabated, get blocked for an even longer period, rinse, repeat. :/ --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:03, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't really block them because of the ARBMAC warning a year and a half ago, I blocked them because they were generally disruptive - just hammering away at edits without edit summaries or talk despite the fact a gazillion people sent them messages to stop - that's disruptive regardless of the edit content. I guess I could have posted to ANI instead of adding to the ARBMAC log, but this note will actually stick as opposed to the ANI instant rotation treadmill. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:27, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hyphen

We've just been though a hyphen nightmare, where a faction of people (who apparently have no tied to Athletics (sport)) wanted to forcibly hyphenate Cross country running based on WP:Hyphen against its common usage in the sport. You just did a "non-controversial" renaming of Florence Griffith Joyner, removing the hyphen. I'm confused. Where is the unnecessary addition and the removal, proper? Line one of the edict, I'm sorry, guideline, says "In hyphenated personal names"

Are we going to unhyphenate (from the athletics world) Veronica Campbell-Brown, Marie-José Pérec, Pauline Davis-Thompson or the double hyphenated Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce too? If we are, I'll start compiling a list. Trackinfo (talk) 03:46, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:HYPHEN declares that hyphens are used in hyphenated personal names. Is that controversial? According to most of the references in Florence Griffith Joyner's article, she does *not* have a hyphenated personal name. On the other hand, Veronica Campbell-Brown (at least in Google) usually keeps the hyphen. If you want to challenge the renaming of Griffith Joyner, a move discussion is possible. EdJohnston (talk) 04:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I requested this as non-controversial because all the high level sources (official website, Library of Congress etc) have her without hyphen (thus one can assume this was the legal name). There was already mixed usage in the article. As a move, this has no impact on other people – I believe article titles should be decided on a case-by-case basis. It is more important to match the sources than it is to strive for some in-wiki consistency (cf. African Championships in Athletics, but European Athletics Championships). SFB 08:30, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Nochoje

Hi Ed. This is a courtesy report regarding Nochoje. I was in the middle of writing a report to you about this guy but FPaS with a lightning-fast action indeffed him while I was still writing it to you. Here, for posterity, is the now historical report:

"Sorry for the disturbance but Nochoje (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has started the edit-wars and the socking over bad quality pictures again. In 2011 you had blocked him for edit-warring and socking at Peloponnese. At the time he kept removing good pictures from the Peloponnese article and adding his own as can be seen here. Please notice that one of the pictures he is removing is the picture of the Rio-Antirrio Bridge. This is the IP sock in 2011 also removing the exact same pictures. Spring forward two years and now we have Nochojoe edit-warring to remove, you guessed it, the picture of the Rio-Antirrio Bridge from the article of Greece: [1], [2], [3], [4]. But there's more. Now we have Athens and Nochoje edit-wars to add his crappy pictures there too using another sock IP this time: 91.217.243.37. The proof 91.217.243.37 (talk · contribs) is Nochoje is here: [5]."

Take care. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 07:51, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Please see this also. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 08:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

It's good that you guys figured this out. However it is unusual to directly edit a sock archive. It would be advisable to contact an SPI clerk and get them to straighten out the report, and somehow link it to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mywayyy. This will help to keep future Mywayyy socks in check. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 13:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I feel appropriately chastised :-) Hadn't actually noticed it was an old archive when I made my edit earlier today; just saw it light up on my watchlist for some reason. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

It was me who caused it to light up when I reverted an improper entry by E4024 back in 2012 as "out of process". But when I saw Future editing there, and knowing that Future never makes mistakes, :) I replied there. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 17:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

How was this uncontroversial and discussed at a user talk page

To me this is a bit of wtf moment? This was not a technical move and the discussion belonged at RM not on a user talk page. Move disaster. -166.137.210.20 (talk) 03:08, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

If it's simply fixing a user error, that can surely be handled as a technical move. If you want to redesign the future of this set of articles, feel free to open a regular move discussion. I didn't want to leave two articles in the wrong namespace for a week while the wheels turned. EdJohnston (talk) 04:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

But you did not move the original article back to its original location, and, once the other IP user protested you should have opened a RM discussion at an article talk page or WP:RM, instead you moved a reworked article into two different locations. The user should also he checked if he/she is doing any more moves. But, once he had moved a legit article into user space, that is the move that should have been completley undone, rather than any debate in user space, over ignored protests. This is not a minor topic, either, the Geology of North America. -166.137.210.17 (talk) 05:26, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

You are aware that I completely undid the moves of Geology of North America and Geology of the United States into user space? Check my move log if you wish. Feel free to open a new move discussion for any moves that you think still need to be performed. EdJohnston (talk) 13:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I am not aware of that, because it seems from the discussion and history that they were moved into user space, heavily changed, then moved backed with a claim that it was a technical move. My point here is that there are places to discuss problematic moves,and requested technical moves and user talk are not those places. If you are handling technical moves, and the request does not qualify, please move it to RM or simply deny it and ask the poster to raise the request in the proper location so the community can reach consensus. -166.137.210.22 (talk) 15:05, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to appeal my actions in some appropriate place. I am confident that I was staying within policy. See WP:REG for how to create an account. EdJohnston (talk) 15:14, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with you; uncontroversial doesn't usually have a lot of disagreement, and if an IP raises a disagreement, until you an MBisanz change policy to exclude IP editing, that IP was a disagreement that indicated the moved was not uncontroversial. I've said my piece, you disagree. I will watch the technical moves more closely in the future. -68.107.137.178 (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

The policy:

"If your technical request is contested by another editor, remove the request from the "Contested technical requests" section and follow the instructions at Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.'

The bold is in the original. If is "contested by another editor," not two or anything, just "contested by another editor." The request should have been moved by the poster. -68.107.137.178 (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Just because I'm not sure, but are you the same IP that is usually at 68 at BRFA? MBisanz ^talk 15:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Answered at your talk page. -68.107.137.178 (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Bedson

I've spent too much time today deleting his articles, and then found a new one, [6]. Any chance you could do a few? Dougweller (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I did four of them. Do you think a checkuser could block the underlying IP? EdJohnston (talk) 15:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Proxies (several). See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Paul Bedson. CU found another one after I found MayPlay (Green Phantom). I think a lot of his articles wouldn't survive AfD and/or should be redirects. Dougweller (talk) 16:38, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

And now kicking myself that I didn't remember Special Nuke[7] = would have saved me hours! But the hand work I did satisfied me that he's still creating bad articles. He's still also trying to negotiate a comeback. Dougweller (talk) 03:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Statistics journals

Thanks for making this move Template_talk:Open_access_statistics_journals. Could you also move the talk pages as well, so that the content is at Template_talk:Statistics_journals and Template_talk:Open_access_statistics_journals is a redirect? Thanks, Illia Connell (talk) 04:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Done. EdJohnston (talk) 05:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow - that was speedy! Thanks, Illia Connell (talk) 05:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

CSG#G6 for RM

EdJohnston, thank you for your recent assistance with my G6 requests to make room for a move, and then subsequently going back to properly close out the move request. Thanks! Tiggerjay (talk) 01:11, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Help with an more complex requested move

Hi Ed,

As an unsolved admin, can you please evaluate the discussion at Talk:Dot_the_i#Requested_move and consider closing. Thanks Tiggerjay (talk) 01:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Unsigned Changes to UST Global :: Thank you for your help

Hello Ed.

I hope this e-mail finds you doing well. Your last intervention in October has kept this 'Repeat Problem' at bay until last week.

This is again an employee at UST Global who makes changes without signing in on Wikipedia.com.

As you recall, the records for the founder of the site were spelled out in papers filed with the Superior Court of California in November 2007.

We have now reverted back to an individual(s) not signing in, making the edit to incorrectly state that G. A. Menon was founder and to remove the entry of Stephen J. Ross.

Thanks for considering placing a protection template on the site (as you have for 3 times in a row) that would restrict edits for a period of XX days.

I am grateful to you Ed for this.

Thanks & Regards,

Steve Ross --Stevejross (talk) 13:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)