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pronouncing

in my opinion there have to be a pronounce sign, because you pronounce it as beyatrix, maybe that's a bit hard for some ppl?95.96.209.147 (talk) 11:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

cadet branch

I think it's odd that the House of Orange-Nassau, in Beatrix's case, is considered to be a cadet branch of the House of Lippe. In the Netherlands' royal house the Salic law is no longer valid. The Queen Beatrix is thus a member of the main lineage of the House of Orange-Nassau in her own right, without reference to the fact her father was a prince of Lippe-Biesterfeld.

er, you obviously have no idea what 'salic law' (i.e., that only males in the direct male line can succeed to a title.) means. Yes, her official house designation is 'van oranj-nassau'; but really, by blood (i.e., agnatically) she is a von lippe.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 09:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Matrilineal descent

I will remove the matrilineal descent, because these descents are considered irrelevant to the article, although I initially supported the patrilineal descent, see the discussion above.

BTW: Instead of fighting out edit wars, you guys should use the talk page. Mvdleeuw (talk) 07:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal NOT to move the article

I can already see an initiative to move the article once she reverts to being Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands. That is why I propose now that it doesn't happen. The present title does not indicate that she is a queen. Furthermore, she will always be notable as queen of the Netherlands. Even between her abdication and her death, she will be notable as former queen, not as princess. Surtsicna (talk) 21:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In agreement, see 2001 to 2004 history of her mother's article -- GoodDay (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Longest-lived

The introduction says she is the longest-lived. This is quoting from another source which says she is the oldest. Not the same thing. Former queen lived to the age of 95 and the current queen has a long way to go to be as long-lived as that. She may be the oldest incumbent, but not the longest-lived.Eregli bob (talk) 09:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've read the associated link to this, it states "Until today, King William III was the oldest head of state to rule the Netherlands. He passed away on 23 November 1890 at the respectable age of 73 years and 277 days, the same age Queen Beatrix has reached now." Wasn't Queen Beatrix's own mother in her 90's (And also the monarch)? I think this article that is being used as a source is incorrect. Gelston (talk) 14:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beatrix's mother (Juliana) abdicated in 1980 at age 71. GoodDay (talk) 09:13, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It simply means that Beatrix is the oldest reigning monarch, that is to say, no other monarch reigned at her age, either because of death or abdication. She neither had the longest rule (which was her grandmother Wilhelmina) nor is the longest-living (former) monarch yet.—Totie (talk) 15:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title after abdication

Are there any signs what her title shall be after the instrument of abdication takes effect? Whether or not it's "Queen Mother" will be relevant to the related article Queen mother, although she may revert to "Princess" as did her mother, which will still be relevant to the subsection "Princess". Fry1989 eh? 22:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She will revert to her pre-regnal title and style. That has been confirmed on the official page of the royal household. It would make no sense to call her queen mother, given that she will not be a queen dowager. Surtsicna (talk) 23:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The point I'm raising is which ever title is chosen, both would be relevant to the related article. I'm simply raising the issue for once abdication takes effect. Fry1989 eh? 00:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not certain as to what this article's title will be upon the Queen's abdication. For precedence, her mother's article was named Juliana of the Netherlands from Wikipedia's going online (in 2001), until her death in 2004, rather then Princess Juliana of the Netherlands. GoodDay (talk) 09:06, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See #Proposal NOT to move the article. Surtsicna (talk) 09:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No no no, I'm not talking about this article at all, just the title she will hold once she has abdicated. If it's "Queen Mother", that is relevant to this section, and if it's "Princess" like her mother and grandmother that is relevant to this section. I've been very clear, I am not proposing this article be moved or renamed or anything. Fry1989 eh? 21:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Juliana is on the list on abdication, so I would presume Beatrix would receive similar treatment.--Relyk (talk) 08:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

von rafael?

in the first sentence of the education section, she is eferred to as 'princess beatrix von rafael'. there is no prior mention of this name, and no explanation given. some is in order. Toyokuni3 (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is vandalism. I'll try to find it and fix it. Surtsicna (talk) 00:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret's birth in Ottawa

I'm Canadian, the story we were taught is that the delivery ward at Ottawa General, I think the hospital was, was temporarily declared Dutch soil so that Princess Margaret would be born in the Netherlands; not sure how many days that applied or where to find a cite for it, but it's definitely a part of Canadian popular folklore about the Dutch royal family's exile in Canada. BTW thanks for all the tulips.Skookum1 (talk) 07:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Successor Willem is her oldest CHILD (also oldest SON, but that's not relevant)

The Netherlands did away with male-preference primogeniture. Meaning that Beatrix would be succeeded not by her oldest SON but, rather, by her oldest CHILD. May I cordially invite all Wikipedians to now pile on and beat the snot out of me as you always do when I correct your lack of precision and negligent errors. Yes, Willem's her oldest son. You can argue that the fact is correct. But statements IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS that he is her oldest son clearly imply that daughters are bypassed, which is not true of this monarchy. The implication that such sentences make is wrong. Ergo the sentences are wrong. And let me just say, in advance, in response to the usual reception that I know I'm going to get, "Lick my armpits.".69.86.131.77 (talk) 13:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson[reply]

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