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-- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ]# ▄ 22:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to Damon Matthew Wise

You will note that we have started cleaning up external sources references and links (to ensure independence of the subject), references and information in paragraphs.

Cannot see however how to split up into sections, and cannot find how.

Would appreciate it if you left problems off the page itself and put them in Damon_Matthew_Wise Talk - broken into sections which can thus be responded to individually. It distracts from our ability to work on design and layout to have content jumping at us, especially seeing most of it had already or was being done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem banners must remain on the page until they have been handled. I will reinstate them after any removal, and will treat their removal as vandalism. Wikipedia has standards and you must adhere to them Fiddle Faddle 23:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We are working our way through history inserting sections subsections and subsections ... we have identified a huge number of contents on Google and other searches on the matter and thus, and as the families (on both sides) are all in the autistic spectrum you can expect a lot of to-and-throwing before the contents are accurate, independent and appropriate for everyone.

So much content is still on-line would be way too detailed - and would have to see what is likely to survive strict html change, as much of the contents, such as election counts, articles and events posted get removed after 6 months as well as when transitional html become retired. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@AspieNo1:Three thoughts
  1. please put things in the right place in my talk page
  2. Your rationale about html is rubbish, I'm afraid. With this article it is time to get it right or have it deleted.
  3. I have found nothing using Google that mentions DMW in any useful manner.
It is up to you and others to make the article good enough. The AfD process takes 7 days, but it can be closed faster Fiddle Faddle 23:45, 17 August 2013

ANI notice

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. (This is regarding your interactions with AspieNo1, though I have not mentioned you by name.) -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ]# ▄ 00:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and editors with disabilities, esp Asperger Syndrome

I have been trying and failing to find a Wikipedia area which deals with how we, as a community, reach out to and work with those with disabilities, especially Asperger Syndrome, and who have trouble conforming to the norms when editing here. I am trying and failing to communicate with one such editor at present. They and I miss in the middle. We each 'speak' but there is no actual conversation. I want to help them, and other such folk, to have a good experience here and, so far, am failing.

Please with the person offering help introduce me to the relevant group, team, sub-community here? A valid alternative is that you are competent in this area yourself and can give the direct help to the editor who is having trouble here. Fiddle Faddle 09:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything specifically oriented to people with Asperger syndrome, sorry; but please see the editor assistance, Adopt-a-user sections. Gryllida (chat) 10:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia:High-functioning autism and Aspergers editors. JohnCD (talk) 13:28, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if someone here have Asperger's or any other form of Autism, they can talk to me too. As far as mentorship for such people goes, I would suggest Justin.--Mishae (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've marked this request as helped. If you have more questions, feel free to re-enable it with a more specific question. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all of you. I have left a plea at Justin's talk page and hope it ether bears direct fruit or an introductiom to someone else who can help. @Mishae: while it's not a case of 'the more the merrier' would you also be happy to become involved? I am past the limits of my own skills here. Fiddle Faddle 17:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. What is the user that we are talking about?--Mishae (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We are speaking of User:AspieNo1 and specifically the article Damon Matthew Wise where you will see there is a bit of a train wreck, but nothing that great mentoring cannot salvage. Fiddle Faddle 17:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm here What can I do? I've tried to be helpful to users here before and I've worked with the special needs community on and off for over a decade. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well lets say, I did some minor fixes on that article to clean up at least 1% of that train wreck.--Mishae (talk) 18:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK So I posted a message on his talkpage with a smile template (so that the guy would feel better). I hope its a right thing to do. Another thing to mention; If he would agree to mentorship under either me or Justin or both, he should keep in mind that I live in Minnesota and that I excess Wikipedia from 3-11 pm Central Time on weekdays and from 8:30 am to 10pm (sometimes 12am) on weekends.--Mishae (talk) 18:11, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A heartfelt THANK YOU. I am out of my depth and feel that help is now at hand. I don;t mind trying to help anyone, but, when I run out of skill I know I need help. Fiddle Faddle 18:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So, I got a message from him and all he wants (or they want since its an organization from the context of the message on my talkpage he wants someone to upload a photo of that guy. Now, I don't have a Facebook account so if someone knows how to do images here, will be of huge help. I cleaned up some references and cited them, hopefully the clutter will be solved by 40% now.--Mishae (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have no Facebook account either I fear. Fiddle Faddle 19:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Koavf: Join in and help Mishae and thus AspieNo1, please, especially with the article that is dear to AspieNo1's heart, Damon Matthew Wise, an article currently at AfD, but with a special request from me in the discussions. Fiddle Faddle 19:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I voted to keep the article but proposed an idea to move into a user's sandbox.--Mishae (talk) 22:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Either venue is sensible and logical. AFC has a minor advantage in that it gets better scrutiny before it is moved to the main name space. Fiddle Faddle 22:17, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: User_talk:AspieNo1#A_very_important_Wikipedia_rule

Aware of this :) - other people contributing by use of e-mail and drop box and this user-account is still used by a single person. Will ask other people relaying to set up an account if they do not have one and join directly, if a single person winning as relay for several others is a problem ... when using we, I mean the team off wiki and I is the user entering the changes and drafts and information received. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the confirmation. I am sure you know this already, but I am 100% in favour of this article being kept. I am trying to remove all obstacles in your way and to ensure that you stay happily within the rules. Fiddle Faddle 13:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mahodadhi

Thankyou for the suggestion. You were very correct, as I just missed the idea of adding the same information to the etymology/history section of the Bay of Bengal page. Now I had merged the same as said. --आशीष भटनागर (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@आशीष भटनागर: it's good when things work out well, isn't it? Fiddle Faddle 12:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent: Definetely dear.--आशीष भटनागर (talk) 12:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If using link to talk:Aspies is against the rule, please help reinstate original Aspie page then

please reinstate word coinage cross-referencing Aspies usages of words, like Mundane to mainstream.

They were voted to keep, but was history shows instead redirected to Asperger syndrome.

If you check talk:asperger's syndrome, talk:Aspies and talk:Damon Matthew Wise you will see considerable discussion and discovery of evidence of pre-1999 references to such cultural lingo used by Aspies, and removing Aspie cultural. It should start coming out of talk pages and come into the public area.

Aspies around the world, who have now been using Aspies, Cousins, and Auties for around 20 years have no problem using their referenced lingo. It should not be classed as a subculture, to be hidden away, but identified as a unique cultural language and meaning.

If talk:Aspies is subculture and is not the right place, help cancel the redirection, reinstate Aspies article, and help edit from these diverse sources into a properly referenced compendium on Aspie culture, behaviour and lingo?

Please do the right thing and reinstate.

We are now, after 20 years talking, over 2000 references in google for aspies still out there, some of which are still existing pre-1999 redirection (when very few websites and groups are readily searchable.

It is no longer only used in closed groups and channels where Aspies hide from scorn and bullying by mundanes ... it is now an unique cultural identity, and thus ought to be in Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to indulge in a political campaign to reinstate that page. I'm afraid you need to work within the rules of this place and accept that people will not always agree with you. Fiddle Faddle 16:58, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Granted, Isn't that is what I said - now that redirection to the Talk page has been explained is against the rules is impossible (and that page was a keep), maybe it and original content from original Aspie page should be copied into it with the others with a view to getting a properly resourced article together.

"If talk:Aspies is subculture and is not the right place, help cancel the redirection, reinstate Aspies article, and help edit from these diverse sources into a properly referenced compendium on Aspie culture, behaviour and lingo?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an expert in the intricacies of the language, I'm afraid. It is not my subject. You need to find someone like Mishae to help, I htink. Fiddle Faddle 17:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Aspects of the above seem to be covered in Sociological and cultural aspects of autism. Cheers! Irondome (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@AspieNo1: please look at Irondome's message and the article linked to. Fiddle Faddle 17:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In that case undelete Aspies and Talk:Aspies temporarily and move content in full to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_autism, and then we can relink the from Aspies to Sociological and cultural aspects of autism and then redirect Talk:Aspies to Talk:Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_autism, and I can get everyone else to work on merging Aspies and Talk: Aspies into that document?

Is this possible solution to your problems? Please have my userpage undeleted, then we can get to work? AspieNo1 (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You need an administrator to help you. I am not one. Fiddle Faddle 20:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PowerTrike Light, PowerTrike II and PowerTrike Evolution

Before nominating these three WP:WikiProject Aircraft articles for CSD it would have been courteous to at least contact me and query this. You will note from my user page that I am an experienced editor with over 90,000 edits and over 1200 articles created, not a newbie or a spammer. - Ahunt (talk) 21:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think your edit count is particularly relevant. My opinion is that these articles are advertising. They assert no notability and link only to the manufacturer's site. I'm not sure why you feel you need special treatment, but I'm listening. Fiddle Faddle 21:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Um, no, they are not based on the manufacturer's website, although they have links to the manufacturers website as allowed per WP:EL. If you read then the articles, they are all referenced to Bayerl, Robby; Martin Berkemeier; et al: World Directory of Leisure Aviation 2011-12. WDLA UK, Lancaster UK, 2011. ISSN 1368-485X an independent third party paper publication source that establishes WP:N. These articles are part of WP:WikiProject Aircraft, a project to create aircraft type articles on every notable aircraft type ever flown. Each article naturally meets WP:GNG, as these three do. - Ahunt (talk) 21:08, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have declined the speedy deletion of these three articles as they dont appear be promotional in nature and conform to what would be expected for this type of article and clearly doesnt need a fundamental rewrite. If you other issues with the article then please raise them on the article talk pages or nominate them for deletion at AfD, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 21:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)I love it when a Wikiproject determines that notability is asserted by a publication stating that something exists. Presumably there should be an article on you or me if an independent paper document shows we exist? the proposal for speedy deletion has been declined, that is fine. Fiddle Faddle 21:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Smile template

Hi. Reading down User talk:AspieNo1 before replying to his help request, I was surprised by the smile box in this section which (as I see it) reads "Hello AspieNo1, JohnCD has smiled at you!" I have read the spec of Template:Smile and still don't think I understand it. I guessed it might be showing my name because I was the account reading it, but I looked again logged out, and it was still there. The only explanation I can think of is that it shows my name as the most recent user to have posted on that page, though that seems odd. From the spec, I see that the smile template is supposed to be subst-ed, but it seems a peculiar side-effect from not subst-ing. Perhaps you would like to subst it? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:51, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly no idea. Feel free to play. I saw this with another one. IT looks as if the template picks up the last person to sign the page. Fiddle Faddle 21:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like you re right. Weird template. Fiddle Faddle
I have added a note to the template documentation. I wonder if a bot could do automatic subst-ing? Maybe that would just mean that the message said "SmileBot has smiled at you!" JohnCD (talk) 22:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Our template language is so arcane that would make it anybody;s guess, I fear. Fiddle Faddle 22:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Confused?

Why? there are two different villages of the same name in the same rural district. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • You do understand that 'Angut-e Sharqi' is the lowest-level subdistrict? And they both are in that. Don't ask me to explain why the Iranian government would put two villages with the exact same name in the lowest level subdistrict together, but alas they have and the only meaningful distinction remaining is their location about 15km apart. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:50, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The other part of this conversation is here Fiddle Faddle 21:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC) [reply]

August 2013

Information icon Hi Timtrent. Thank you for your work on patrolling new pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I'm just letting you know that I declined your deletion request for Tore Jensen, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Please take a moment to look at the suggested tasks for patrollers and review the criteria for speedy deletion. Particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion or proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. Makes claims of importance (significant awards). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Claims of importance? Hon citizenship of NO? Not really an award of any importance, surely? Fiddle Faddle 09:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have suggested a number ways forward - about retaining contents for editing and reviewing references located and cleaning up article

Although applied for Sandbox and supported userfy idea as a stepping stone to continue working, don't know if anyone else understands exactly what yea are on about. We may sound like culchies, but a lot of these Yanklish expressions sound like goobledigook - I haven't found a logical definition that makes the slightest sense!

For the moment many here are affected by the Clodagh, so not the biggest thing. Think Damon will be annoyed if all the work everyone put into the project is wasted, so something has to be done. I know some of the comments were offensive, as if he agreed to it for promoting himself, rather then the cause - that is down right the most objectionable lack of understanding of Aspies that is out there - discriminatory, prejudices and insulting.

AspieNo1 (talk) 23:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The reaction you are seeing is mainly a mixture of ignorance, fear of people who are different, and people not having the time to understand. They are human. Human beings are not always pleasant. Usually they are unpleasant by accident. Fiddle Faddle 23:36, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged Personalized advertising for a speedy

I saw that you tagged this with a PROD, but just wanted to give you a head's up that I noticed that this was a pretty blatant advertisement tie-in to an article that the same editor had created. The whole thing is a build up to showcase the one company and lead people to click on the company's entry, which has since been deleted. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted :) Fiddle Faddle 07:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

what's up

with these new new page patrollers? I've never seen so many false positives before now. I think we need to adopt a policy of having the CSD tagger apologise to the article creator if the CSD is declined. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 13:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am torn between "They have to learn somewhere" and "Ye gods, get off this train!" Most people don;t dare NPP until they have a good few months under their belt. The one you are referring to has a few days. Well, I have fired an enormous warning shot. I think we need to follow it up with watching their contributions and escalating warnings.
We all make mistakes, but not more than a few percent! Fiddle Faddle 14:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Hello Timtrent

Thank You For Your Notification. May I Know What Edits are you walking about? If they are related to those "STUB" Pages that only have one Reference And One Sentence Written I am not sure why you are supporting them. If i am mistaken can you please educate me what review should i do on those pages?

Thanks Jay 13:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pakithedjay (talk • contribs)

Look at ALL the comments on your talk page, the one you have blanked. Seriously, if you can not see what you are doing wrong, stop doing it until you can work it out. If you are in doubt, please place {{Helpme}} in a new section on your talk page and ask "Please help me to learn Page Curation Skills" beneath it. Fiddle Faddle 14:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for doing that. The next thing is to work with the person who offers you help to work toward the correct approach. Fiddle Faddle 14:06, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You Okay I would Like you to review this page, is this decision ok? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_For_Buddies

Jay 14:15, 25 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pakithedjay (talk • contribs)

This one I would have reviewed in addition as a non notable corporation. It is not the ones you get right that are the problem. It is the number you get wrong, thus leading other people to doubt 100% of your work. We ALL get a few decisions wrong. The trick is to reduce that number. Fiddle Faddle 14:18, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Thank You For Your HELP & Support. I Now Fully understand what you don;t want me to do. I wont review any more. Thank You For Your Help. Jay 14:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pakithedjay (talk • contribs)

User:Pakithedjay

He's stopped. There was a delayed real between his ceasing and the messages coming in as we declined his taggings. Seems sincere in wanting to do it right. Sadly, he's not the only one. Dlohcierekim 14:30, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we'll just knock them down one by one. The warning for disruptive editing tends to do the trick, especially with a personal note at the end Fiddle Faddle 15:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi this is Goldrawer7. Don't know how to normally send a message. You can delete it. It's fine. I have discovered another page that has the same features but of better caulity.

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