Talk:Verizon (mobile network)

Jargon-ridden and unclear

I've just read the first three sections of this article and between them they don't give the faintest hint of what this company is or what it does. It's just an endless stream of jargon and gibberish. I'm not from the US, so I'm not familiar with the name, and since I've gathered that they are the largest something (although I don't know what) I suspect that those who have contributed to the article are so familiar with the company that they have forgotten to explain it. Would somebody please rewrite? Many thanks. Macguba (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Open Handset Alliance and opening up its network

Verizon Wireless has recently announced that it will join the Open Handset Alliance for the development of Android. Someone needs to write this into the main article. Also someone needs to write about Verizon Wireless opening up its network to any handset and program that meets Verizon's minimum standards set to begin at the end of 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajbhai87 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

CDMA vs. GSM

In question from the "Controversy" section:

Verizon Wireless uses a wireless standard called CDMA. While not as widespread as the European GSM standard, CDMA is newer and widely recognized to be technologically superior. In fact, the 3G version of GSM, called UMTS, is based on CDMA technology. However, the two standards are not compatible with one another. Because of this, many mobile phone subscribers from North America cannot use their devices while travelling abroad. Moreover, Verizon's continued use of CDMA technology has precluded any roaming agreements between it and other United States wireless providers, such as AT&T and T-Mobile, which use the older GSM standard. This problem will eventually resolve itself, however, as Verizon Wireless transitions to the GSM-based LTE standard for its 4G network, eventually abandoning CDMA.

Is this really a problem currently happening that will impact the "average" cell phone user? I'm just wondering and I do not mean to take offense. Tngu77 16:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The page has been heavily edited by users with a bias against Verizon Wireless. CDMA vs. GSM will not typically effect the mass-market consumer, however, the different technologies each have their benefits. Also, it should be noted, that Verizon Wireless has only announced it is considering LTE as a possibility for its 4G network, not that is is where it is definatly headed. There are also no announcements on the abandonment of CDMA.

The primary effect of a user on a CDMA device vs. a GSM device is traveling abroad. Both CDMA and GSM are readily available in North America. Europe and parts of Asia are covered by large GSM networks, CDMA is not as widespread.

24.208.186.147 02:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I already know the difference between CDMA and GSM. :) I only travel within the United States and Canada (a little FYI).

I concur about the bias against Verizon Wireless. Although I am biased _towards_ Verizon Wireless, my edits on this page are NEUTRAL. i.e., "Acquisitions", "Claro", etc. Tngu77 00:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, didn't mean for my explanation to come off like that, I was trying to input my suggestion for a change in the wording. I also have a bias towards VZW, and I like your contributions. With the amount of online research that many consumers do, and the number of results Google returns from Wikipedia, I feel it is the responsibility of this page to be more neutral than it is. Many consumers may use it as a resource when deciding on a provider and many of the items in the controversy section need to be worded better. Many users are not impacted by the 5 GB data cap, all major carriers charge airtime for voice mail retrieval, GSM and CDMA each have their advantages, LTE is not a GSM standard and is not offically where VZW is going with 4G. All of this and more is just written out of misinformation.

24.208.186.147 03:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah LTE is not a GSM standard, that is an ignorant statement by whoever edited it.Strunke (talk) 20:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Transition from Verizon Wireless to Claro in Puerto Rico

Should we mention about the transition from "Verizon Wireless" to "Claro" that occurred in Puerto Rico a couple of months ago? Claro is part of the America Movil network, which has ties to Vodafone, one of Verizon Wireless's parent companies (in fact, Vodafone owns approximately 45% of Verizon Wireless). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tngu77 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

From the "Claro (mobile phone network)" Wikipedia article (section entitled "Puerto Rico"):

The Claro brand was launched in Puerto Rico on 18 May 2007 as rebranding the Verizon Wireless trademark. Claro is the wireless arm of Puerto Rico Telephone which serves wireline telephone and data services in the island. The brand was introduced to the wireless segment after the 30 March 2007 acquisition of the telecom by América Móvil. Claro Puerto Rico is currently the largest and most powerful mobile network serving the island, serving more than 567,060 customers. The company has made public its plans to launch a GSM/UMTS network parallel to the CDMA/EvDO network it operates since 2002. Claro has mobile voice and data services in Puerto Rico's 78 cities and towns and it's coverage is constantly expanding, the company says.

Claro Puerto Rico Slogans

* "Bienvenido a un mundo mejor." | "Welcome to a better world" - in English * "La red más poderosa habla Claro." | "The most powerful network speaks Clearly" - in English * "Verizon Wireless la red más poderosa, ahora es Claro." | "Verizon Wireless the most powerful network, is now Claro." - in English

Tngu77 23:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Controversy section disputed

There's a post there that says most other competitors of Verizon Wireless do not charge airtime for voicemail retrievals, however, the largest competitors, ATT & Sprint both indicate in their literature that voicemail retrievals do charge airtime from the handset. All of the said carriers, VZW, Sprint, and ATT offer service to allow a subscriber to retrieve from another handset, which will not deplete the minutes.

The2ndflood- (Show us the literature that proves AT&T and Sprint charge customers for voice mail retrievals.)

Techie2001 - (Go to att.com/wireless, choose a plan, then click on Plan Terms. Scroll to the section that covers Mobile To Mobile minutes: Mobile to Mobile Minutes: Mobile to Mobile Minutes may be used, subject to the above provisions governing unlimited usage, when directly dialing or receiving calls from any other AT&T wireless phone number from within your calling area. Mobile to Mobile Minutes may not be used for interconnection to other networks. ***Calls to AT&T Voicemail and return calls from Voicemail not included.***

Sprint's is in a similar area.

Also, the neutrality of this section is completely off. None of the other carriers' pages have controversy sections. Perhaps a separate article should be created to consolidate consumer wireless issues/concers? Could cover a lot of the topics, such as the tepid support of Cingular/ATT's fewest dropped calls claim, VZW's standard UI, Sprint's termination of frequently customer service callers, etc. Complaints about the carriers seems like it should belong elsewhere.

The2ndflood- ((Both Sprint and Cingular have Controversy articles. Sprint has it for their decision to let go of 1000 customer who were abusing their services and Cingular has one for their dropped call claim. Verizon is no different.)

Techie2001- These were posted more recently, before I disputed the section for neutrality.

Some other talking points on this section: The "crippling" reference points out the LG VX8500 handset having gone back and forth on its capability to play MP3 files. It has always been able to do so. The VX8100 had a few different software versions that may have enabled or disabled depending on which version it was shipped with. This enable/disable was available straight from the manufacturer and is easily changed in the service programming menu.

The2ndflood- (The limitation was still there from the beginning. It doesn't matter if any updates have changed that, the point of the article is to show Verizon limited those phones, along with others. Hacks have been made to change all kind of limitations.)

Techie2001- (The point was that the 8500 never had the limitation, the 8100 did. The facts are not accurate. A customer looking into these models may be misled by the article)

Also, VZW's primary competitors also restrict handsets. There is a particular bias in the writing against the company.

The2ndflood- (In what way and what carriers are limiting their handsets? Verizon uses BREW which is very restrictive. They also us a Walled Garden for their WAP access. Cingular, Sprint, and T-Mobile all use Java, and do not lock out features from their phones in the same way that Verizon has.)

Techie2001- (AT&T's release of the iPhone is a perfect example. The iPhone has zero out of box functionality, including accessing built-in features like the calendar. the iPhone cannot have user generated ringtones and games, however, Verizon's PDA's can by using third party software for the user's PC. This is not a hack, as it is on the handsets. It's a feature.)

VZW's use of BREW is hardly controversional, as the writing points out, several other companies ues it as well. The talking point is in regards to applications being removed so that users are "forced" to buy "expensive" BREW alternatives. Again, hardly neutral talking points.

The2ndflood-(It does happen. With BREW you are forced to buy Verizon BREW software. So you would have to show proof that it doesn't happen.)

Techie2001'-(The problem here is in the wording. The point makes it seem like BREW is the controversy where the user being required to purchase applications is the real controversy. BREW is not controversial, it's how Verizon Wireless deploys it that is controversial.)

A standard user interface is hardly controversial. It was a business decision that a select demographic is not happy with.

The2ndflood- (Verizon't UI is known for being restrictive. This is just something a user has the right to read about on a Wikipedia site.) Techie2001- (Again, it's not the element that is controversial, so the wording is poor. The neutral way to put it would be Some users find the standard user interface restrictive, which is somewhat reminicent of LG's user interface... rest of post is fine...)

The Data Usage has always been advertised as unlimited for internet and e-mail. AT&T has a nearly just-as-strict terms of service for their data services, limiting certain usages. The 5GB cap is noted in the terms of service, however, there are many legitimate cases of users utilizing more than that, yet still abiding by the rest of the terms who do not experience a service termination warning/notice.

The2ndflood- (The section had links to articles on Verizon who was claiming in their advertisements that their EV-DO data access was unlimited, then canceling users accounts for going over a set limit. Which Verizon never open discussed ) Techie2001- (The articles posted copies of the advertisements... that say Unlimited BroadBand Access, then the ads go on to say that it's unlimited for internet and e-mail usage. Newspapers do the same thing. The headline 'Two killed in car accident' while the article goes on to say both drivers were under the influence of drugs could be argued that the headline puts a different spin on the real story. It grabs reader's attention, then they go on to find the gist of it).

The2ndflood- I don't like when companies I support have negative things posted on them, but when it is based on facts, and supported by sources, then they are facts. We don't have the right as editors to change things that make a company look good or bad. We only have the right to keep the info from being bias. If you can find proof of any changes, then post it in the section. But deleting the entire article just because you didn't like it is NOT ALLOWED.

Techie2001- Absolutely agreed, but I did not delete the section and move it. Someone else did. When the section was listed under a separate article, I did delete the Voicemail airtime usage point because all of the major players charge for voicemail retrievals from the handset and it is not widely known that ANY carriers do so. So much that all of the carriers also bury it in their terms of service (see the specific information I copied from the AT&T site, whereas on the Verizon site, the voicemail product page has a disclaimer at the bottom of the overview indicating that airtime is required). My problem with the entire article is that it is written with the technique and wording of someone with a personal vendetta, not an unbiased view point.

Here is my suggestion for a revised section:

Controversy

• In mid-2006, the consumer research firm Telephia published a report that suggests AT&T Mobility drops the fewest calls across the country. Verizon Wireless advertises heavily the quality of their network above competitors. According to the Consumer Beat reporter for The Boston Globe:

Telephia independently measures the top four wireless carriers for a number of consumer value points. In relation to call quality, Telephia, in a letter to the four major carriers regarding this research, will not confirm or deny that Cingular drops the fewest calls. Also, Telephia has requested that Cingular update its advertising to indicate that Telephia provided the information it uses to make this claim, not that it actually supports or confirms the 'fewest dropped calls' claim.

Cingular has the fewest dropped calls because they have the fewest customers... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.149.18 (talk) 21:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• All major US Carriers charge airtime for voicemail retrievals according to the user's specific plan.

• Verizon "cripples" the file and media transferring features of many of their cellphone offerings in order to force customers to purchase content through its "Get It Now" service. One example is the LG Chocolate (VX8100), a phone that features full MP3 player support. (It has a miniSD card to store MP3s, and play and pause/stop buttons on the front of the phone.) Initially the MP3 functionality was disabled in the service menu, While newer versions of the phone were sold with the MP3 player re-enabled, and customers were usually informed of this feature, they still cannot be used as ringtones. The newest version of this phone has once again disabled this capability. Verizon's policy is in contrast to its major competitors (both GSM and CDMA): AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint Nextel, and Alltel; which allow their customers to use all the features that are available in the manufacturer's reference firmware design.

• Verizon restricts the built-in GPS capabilities of many current phones and PDAs. For example, its recently introduced Blackberry 8830 has full AGPS (Assisted Global Positioning System) capabilities and the Blackberry Maps application which uses the AGPS capability for tracking and navigation. Verizon has disabled the AGPS, reportedly to sell subscription-based AGPS services at a later date. Verizon Wireless does this because CDMA technology allows for the use of AGPS which uses the positioning locations of cell sites, not GPS satillites (the sites coordinate themselves via the open GPS system. This is a requirement of the CDMA technology as the towers are synchronized via this GPS system, not to resell location based services). This results in a faster "lock" for location based services. Since the service does utilize the network, and assited location based servers are required in an AGPS system, and not the open access GPS system operated by the government, Verizon Wireless has a right to require a service charge for access. There is no fee to utilize AGPS when placing an emergency 911 call, as with all carriers.

• Verizon advertised the Motorola V710 as having full Bluetooth capability, when in reality it had no OBEX or OPP functions built in. After many complaints, a class action suit was filed for false advertising, not only for advertising missing capabilities, but also for telling customers who complained to Verizon that an update was coming out "in November." The lawsuit was initiated in January of 2005 and settlement decision became final on March 20 2006, with Verizon offering to qualified members of the class action suit (purchased a V710 BEFORE February 2 2005) a $25 credit to all of its V710 customers, or the option to trade in the V710 for $200 or original purchase price and allow them to keep their phone number and service, or $200 or original purchase price and allow them to break their contract and discontinue service with Verizon (all after numerous paperwork loops). The settlement to the lawsuit did not directly address the V710's restrictions. The same hardware crippling exists with Motorola's successor to the V710, the E815, but unlike the V710, the E815 was marked clearly that OBEX and OPP was disabled. Additionally, through a seem edit, OBEX could be enabled on the 815, but not on the 710 (the Verizon e815 lacks the OPP profile altogether). Other carriers' versions of the V710, while still possessing some restrictions to the Bluetooth functionality, are much less restrictive overall, allowing full use of the customer's own MIDI and MP3 files for ringtones, etc.

• Via the bulit in content delivery system, BREW, Verizon locks users into its own applications, making it difficult, but not impossible, to install anything Verizon doesn't offer. Programs such as the standard mail reader included in some phones were removed, forcing people to buy mail readers from Get It Now. It is not uncommon for CDMA carriers to implement BREW. Most of the US CDMA carriers currently use BREW. Sprint Nextel is the main exception. They have opted for the Java interface.

• Verizon Wireless has removed features in firmware updates for the Motorola V710 and several other newer phones for ringtone transfers, making it more difficult - but not impossible - to transfer MP3s from the phone's microSD card. This update also disabled editing of the homepage field in WebSessions making it more difficult to use alternate WAP gateways. One result of this crippling has been a prominent network of "unofficial" web sites, documenting how to enable, access, or use hidden or crippled features. This often includes divulging service codes for new phone models, or homebrew software that can access otherwise hidden parts of the phone's memory system.

• Some users find Verizon Wireless' standard user interface restrictive. Somewhat reminiscent of LG's interface, this standard reduces support training costs. However, it has also anecdotally alienated many brand-loyal customers who find it not aesthetically pleasing, only minimally customizable, slower than the previous interface, and a hindrance to the functioning of several previously available phone features.

• Verizon Wireless has come under fire by "power users" of its EV-DO wireless data network (called BroadbandAccess), for using language in its terms of service which heavily restricts what activities an EV-DO user can conduct even though the service is advertised as offering "Unlimited" data usage. The language in Verizon Wireless' usage agreement states:

  Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections... We reserve right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using NationalAccess or BroadbandAccess in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels.

• To stem criticism of the above, Verizon Wireless now outright limits the "unlimited" use, by imposing a quota on "unlimited" use, and terminates customers who exceed it. According to The Washington Post, Broadband Reports, tech columnist Robert X. Cringely, many wireless industry "insider" news sites and blogs, Verizon advertises "unlimited" broadband service but reserves the right to terminate anyone using more than 5 GB/month (166 MB/day) regardless of use or content transferred, with no difference between permitted web browsing, or prohibited uses, such as peer-to-peer file sharing). This is a quota of about 15 minutes of continuous data transmission time per day. A PBS investigator monitored his bandwidth during normal use and discovered it to be 184 MB/day.

• Verizon Wireless uses a wireless standard called CDMA. It is one of the few major wireless carriers worldwide that continues to use this technology, which was largely abandoned to GSM during the 1990s because of its already widespread use in Europe. This has resulted in the persistence of CDMA in North America, while most other countries still use GSM. Because of this, many mobile phone subscribers from North America cannot use their devices while travelling abroad. Moreover, Verizon's continued use of CDMA technology has precluded any roaming agreements between it and other United States wireless providers, such as AT&T and T-Mobile, which do use the GSM standard. However, roaming agreements through CDMA carriers like Sprint, Alltel, and U.S. Cellular currently exist. Though GSM is readily available worldwide, the infinite, cheap expandability and evolutions of CDMA are favorable. AT&T's 3rd generation UTMS technology is WCDMA - an evolution of the CDMA standard, not GSM.

iNpulse (prepaid)

Should we mention anything about iNpulse, Verizon Wireless' prepaid wireless service? Thanks Tngu77 20:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)tngu77

"Fewest dropped calls"--Verizon Wireless vs. Cingular

I remember that sometime back in 2003-2004 that Verizon Wireless rolled out commercials proclaiming that they had the network with the "fewest dropped calls." This is well ahead of Cingular's "copycat" (if appropriate) advertising campaign beginning with Q1 of 2006 ("Fewest dropped calls"). I have found some YouTube videos that proves my statement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BREOpoGUeLc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3eJmZW3ojI (These are REAL Verizon Wireless commercials--NOT PARODIES OR KNOCK-OFFS. And also these YouTube videos are not mine either.)

Tngu77 01:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)tngu77

Pricing and Availability--GSM

Edit in pricing and availability: "Often, more advanced games must be purchased and downloaded." replaced "Unlike other carriers, Most verizon phones don't come with any free games, although some older Nokia's do(2128i,6015,etc)." Previous information was poorly presented, and based on personal experience. Most Verizon phones actually do come pre-loaded with simple games, especially the more advanced models. As with all carriers, advanced games will require a download. Despite the fact that many GIN phones do not come loaded with any games, I still felt this sentence was misleading and should be amended due to the bias of the previous statement. Moruitelda 21:20 EST, 3 Dec 2006

GSM advantages?

"have a number of advantages for consumers. For example, more GSM handsets support Bluetooth (Verizon Handsets do as well) (Consumer Reports), and GSM is more widely available worldwide than CDMA. "

This reads more like a personal comment, then a fact. Most of the new CDMA phones coming out have Bluetooth. And CDMA is the fastest growing wireless technlogy, with Many areas around the world using it. I think this statment needs to be updated. (I just changed the wording. Feel free to change it around if you see fit. But please don't make it bias.)

"Verizon is one of three national carriers to use CDMA technology; the other national CDMA carrier is Sprint PCS. Another CDMA carrier which is not considered national, but has a large presence in many areas, especially the rural South, is ALLTEL." ... If ALLTEL isn't considered national, then who is the third national CDMA carrier? Mr2001 08:44, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

ALLTEL isn't considered national because their own network focuses on small to medium sized cities, especially in the South. However, Verizon and ALLTEL have a very good cross-network roaming deal that allows ALLTEL to offer national plans essentially indistinguishable from Verizon's, and allows Verizon to have excellent service in rural areas, especially compared to some of its competitors.

This isn't a cellular network information page. It is supposed to be about Verizon.

Can anyone give us a little info on the history of Verizon? Like the PrimeCo acquisition and so forth.--Jporter07 22:27, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think it might be worth mentioning Verizon's crippling of the Motorola V710's Bluetooth. They disabled most of the functionality one expects from Bluetooth on a phone, in order to force customers to pay them more money in data charges (e.g. you can't download pictures to your computer via Bluetooth, even though the phone's hardware is perfectly capable of it).

GSM is generally technically inferior to CDMA, even if Verizon offers fewer services than competing companies using GSM. What Verizon Wireless offers and what CDMA is capable of are two entirely different issues.

Would anyone be able to back up the assertions here that claim that CDMA is actually superior to GSM? Is there any technical source or authoritative articles anyone can find to back this up? From what I understand, two key faults of CDMA involve a lack of SIM cards and an inability to use data while continuing to receive voice calls.

Due to the lack of SIM cards, CDMA users cannot switch phones without calling Verizon and having them carry everything over. This is not an easy procedure, whereas GSM SIM cards can easily be popped out and put into another GSM phone. Further, if you have extensive damage on a CDMA phone, you probably wouldn't be able to pull your saved phone numbers off of it, whereas on GSM phones this information is stored on the SIM card, which would likely still be in tact.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with CDMA, don't you essentially dial a data number when you use the internet on your phone? This means all your calls while using data are sent through to voice mail, right? When you're using GPRS data on a GSM phone, you can still receive phone calls, the phone just pauses the data connection.

$4 billion on network upkeep?

This article says that Verizon spends $4 billion a year on network maintenance. This does not sound feasible. Are we sure it's accurate?

yea i dunno we can remove it for now i guess

That figure is accurate, you can view it on their website too. Aviationwiz 04:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this figure is correct. I work for VZW, they would rather spend $$ on the network than on people any day.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I work for VZW, and everyone is well paid. It's above median salary in my area, for a job that requires a GED, 1 month of training, and a couple months of on-site learning. However, the $4-$6 bn. figure that you hear tossed around is accurate, every day, new network updates show up in my inbox. One thing that's drilled in VZW training is the Network Advantage; it's something we take very seriously.

Either the number is true or the constant parade of "$100 million network upgrade in <population center or region> is complete!" across the company intranet site is a bag of lies. I may be biased, of course, but I don't think it is lies. Howdoesthiswo 03:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

It is amazing that they spend (or waste) so much money on a network, and I could never get a signal in my apartment. I had to go outside in the cold to talk. Driving around richmond their were entire stretches (in the city) where i didnt recieve a call. Now i use Tracfone. Perfect coverage everywhere, either in my apartment or around town. It seems to me whoever they are spending $4b to fix their network, should be fired.

I hate to break it to you, but Tracfone is an MVNO. That is, Tracfone doesn't have it's own network, but purchases time on other wireless provider's networks. In Richmond, Virgnia, you're running on the Verizon network. The problem was probably with your handset. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.236.104 (talk) 20:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

What I changed:

I changed some of the controversy section to make it more accurate. I would explain everything in the edit page, but I ran out of room so I put it here:

1. Verizon doesn't have over the air firmware updating, so to update the v710's firmware, you have to take it to the store and have it flashed with the new software.

2. I removed the V710 crippling expect for OBEX and free transfer of other things because this phone is also crippled for other carriers expect for MP3 file transfer which is the only major feature removed from this phone. The Alltell, Telus Mobility, and the USCC versions of these phone don't have the mail reader, AIM, or full bluetooth either.

  Perhaps the info would be better at home on the 710's page, with a list of who cripples what? Howdoesthiswo 03:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Did you update the voicemail thing too? It's inaccurate. ATT & sprint both charge airtime for voicemail retrievals according to their TOS Techie2001 03:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)techie2001 07/19/2007

Phone Hacking

Anyone want to elaborate more on that blurb? When I was looking getting a new phone (I thought this one had died, I was wrong, didn't end up buying a new one), I saw all sorts of sites about how to enable OBEX on the V3c, and other related hacks. Is there an "authority" on hacking verizon phones we could cite? Disavian 19:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding divulging service codes, in the case of subsidy lock that isn't hard, VZW doesn't actually use it, leaving all equipment on the default, which I'd like to include here but I won't for fear someone will preemptively edit it out. The real issue is talking to someone within the company that even understands what it is. Most of those that do have no problem telling you the default, and will likely add a warning to change it away from the default at your own peril. Howdoesthiswo 04:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Name

"The faux word "Verizon" is derived by combining the word "veritas," a Latin term that means "truth," and the word "horizon." Together, they are supposed to conjure images of reliability, certainty, leadership, and limitless possibilities."

Is this correct? It does not cite its source. Also, although I live in Ireland, I've heard about Verizon due to Vodafone's 45% stake in it. I had always assumed it was a play on "horizon" with "vertical" i.e. "horizon being derived from horizontal, and verizon being derived from horizon AND vertical (similar to words like chocoholic, which SHOULD be chocolatic, but just have "holic" because it becomes instantly recognisable). Am I wrong (I probably am but could someone at least get a source) - ^R_H^e_o^d_t 23:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

It is actually true I work for Verizon Wireless, and my trainer told us about the meaning of Verizon. It is accurate.

Ok, guess it was just me. I still think it should be cited however. - ^R_H^e_o^d_t 19:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. -DylanW 05:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

V CAST

I don't see why that article needs to up changed in anyway. It lists all of the major details. Features and limitations. What else is needed?

cell phone competitors

I added the merge tag to Verizon_Communications#Wireless. I think that information belongs in this article. Masterpjz9 15:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

"Owns 98.6% of its customer base"

In the Notes section:

Verizon Wireless owns approximately 98.6% of its customer base as of March 31, 2005.

What is this supposed to mean? It reads like a description of slavery. Mr2001 09:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

It means 98.6% of the Verizon subscriber base purchased service from VZW directly or a VZW authorized retailer and not through a "Reseller" of VZW service.

Network

Can we have a technical description of their network? MikeNM 19:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Verizon (and others) claim to have 4G, but the articles on 4G and LTE clearly describe what is what. Verizon Wireless does not have 4G service despite what they are claiming. Replacing marketing propaganda with actual technical details would improve the article greatly. Anonymous 01:16, 01 Jan 2011 (UTC)

V Cast Merger

I believe that the V Cast section should be merged into the V CAST article, what about the rest of you (Bluelist 03:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC))

Agreed, emphatically. It's cluttering up the present article. By all means, this article must mention V CAST, but it should be a one-paragraph summary with a header directing readers to the main V CAST article. (See also my cleanup suggestions for that article at Talk:V CAST.) Lawikitejana 22:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Verizon to buy West Virginia Wireless

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/16133668.htm Mathiastck 20:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Verizon Wireless uses CDMA technology, whereas West Virginia Wireless uses GSM technology.

Verizon math problems

Someone should add something about http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/index.html to the article. I'm too lazy to read up on all the guidelines for editing and I do not want to get banned. So I leave it for someone else to do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.65.203.37 (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Check the edits made 5:20 and 5:21 on December 11.216.240.30.23 21:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Joe

Re: VZW crippling firmware and others not

Verizon's policy is in contrast to its major competitors (both GSM and CDMA): Cingular, T-Mobile, Sprint Nextel, and Alltel; which allow their customers to use all the features that are available in the manufacturer's reference firmware design.

This quote from the article is inaccurate. One example: T-Mobile doesn't allow users of more recent handsets to access Internet features on unsigned Java (J2ME) apps, such as Opera Mini. Verizon Wireless is not the only provider that cripples firmware. Or3n 05:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Banm.svg

Image:Banm.svg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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EV-DO Network Limits Revised

Verizon has apparently recently changed their terms on their wireless broadband network. It no longer gives that limit, but instead reserves the right to limit data use of a particular application to no more than 200KB/second (ie still broadband). Kopf1988 16:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• • • Advertising question*** In one of Verizon's most recent 2008 commercials for DSL, it depicts an older man playing a game on his computer in which he tries to defeat a very intimidating looking gorilla touting a viking helmet & dual flame guns (or something) in both its hands. In his enthusiastic fervor, the man exclaims "Come on, you maggot!" to the gorilla on-screen, at which his wife pops her head around the corner & inquires "What did you call me?". My question is this: is this an actual computer game or just a fake game created by Verizon's advertising group? If it is a real game, does anyone know what it's called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.59.235 (talk) 00:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Kopf1988's statement is accurate. Here is a source: [1] What should we do with this in the "Controversy" section:

* Verizon Wireless has come under fire by "power users" of its EV-DO wireless data network (called BroadbandAccess), for using language in its terms of service which heavily restricts what activities an EV-DO user can conduct even though the service is advertised as offering "Unlimited" data usage. The service is in fact limited to 5GB of data transfer per month. The language in Verizon Wireless' usage agreement states:

Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections... We reserve right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using NationalAccess or BroadbandAccess in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels.[12]

Up until recently customers were having their service shut off for use in excess of 5GB but the company is now restricting bandwidth instead in most cases.

* To stem criticism of the above, Verizon Wireless now outright limits the "unlimited" use, by imposing a quota on "unlimited" use, and terminates customers who exceed it. According to The Washington Post,[13] Broadband Reports,[14] tech columnist Robert X. Cringely,[citation needed] many wireless industry "insider" news sites and blogs,[15][16][17] Verizon advertises "unlimited" broadband service but reserves the right to terminate anyone using more than 5 GB/month (166 MB/day) regardless of use or content transferred, with no difference between permitted web browsing, or prohibited uses, such as peer-to-peer file sharing). This is a quota of about 15 minutes of continuous data transmission time per day. A PBS investigator monitored his bandwidth during normal use and discovered it to be 184 MB/day.[18]

Tngu77 (talk) 23:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Verizon-Wireless-Logo.svg

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Alltel

Everyone agree that purchasing Alltel is a pretty significant item to be included?  Hazardous Matt  15:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Verizon will be the 10th largest.

I added a link that after the Alltel-Verizon merger, Verizon will be the 10th largest carrier in the world. I have noticed that other carrier profile will list that companies size in relation to other world-wide carriers, but no one wants to allow that on American carrier profile. So I added it, Speer320 deleted it, so I restored it again. If you don't want the link there, then discuse the reason here. If not, I will keep changing the link.

70.157.54.190 (talk) 09:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be more appropriate to put it in the acquisitions part where is already talks about the acquisition it bloats that being Speer320 (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

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  • {{cite web | url = http://www.rcrnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070920/SUB/70920004 | date = [[2007-09-20]] | title = Verizon Wireless to join Vodafone in upgrade to LTE | accessdate = 2007-09-21 | first = Kelly | last = Hill | work = Carrier News | publisher = RCRNews }}
  • {{cite web | url = http://aboutus.vzw.com/communityservice/hopeLine.html| title = HopeLine<small>^SM</small> Verizon Wireless HopeLine| publisher = Verizon Wireless | accessdate = 2007-05-24 }}
  • {{cite web | url = http://www.cyberlaw.pro/cyberlawg/general-interest/suit-challenges-verizon-on-blackberry-gps.html | date = [[2007-12-11]] | title = Suit Challenges Verizon on Blackberry GPS | accessdate = 2008-03-23 | first = Eric | last = Menhart | work = CyberLawg | publisher = CyberLaw PC }}
  • {{cite web | url = http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1650 | title = Vodafone Keeping Verizon Stake | date = [[2006-03-22]] | accessdate = 2007-05-07 | work = Phone Scoop }}
  • {{cite web | url = http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=2003 | title = Guard Changes At Verizon Wireless | date = [[2006-12-19]] work = Phone Scoop }}

DumZiBoT (talk) 05:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Kelsey Smith Case

Should it not go into the process it takes to get such records? Can it be pointed out that another carrier could do it faster? If that can't be proven it should be removed and added to an article about the phone tracking process. ~LessThanCurt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.108.120 (talk) 16:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Standard GUI is controversial?

Uh. . . what's controversial about having a standard GUI? Am I missing something, or is this in the wrong section?evildeathmath 19:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, a bunch of stuff is randomly listed under "Controversies". They need be removed. 71.251.47.217 (talk) 04:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't get too comfortable in the "Verizon being the largest" carrier thing.

AT&T purchased Centennial Wireless in November, and when that deal closes AT&T will be largest again in a matter of weeks/months. So just recall what is changed because it'll have to all be undone shortly when AT&T does their best to outdo Verizon. CaribDigita (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

This Really isn't the place for this discussion, but for what its worth 1.1 million Subs isn't going to take the crown from VZW.. EnsRedShirt (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Acquisition Section

There is a claim in the last section of the Acquisition bullets...

"This also would allow Verizon to become the 10th largest wireless carrier on Earth."

This particular quote has no reference and does not state by what basis this claim is made. (ie by customers, revenue, network size, employees, etc.)

I think someone should look into this...--Huper Phuff ^talk 21:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. Wikipedia is a target for people with too much time on their hands. E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 21:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Customer base?

According to the intro of this article, Verizon has currently 290 million subscribers, that's like.. 90% of the U.S.. Vodafone on the other hand, the company who owns Verizon, has a subscriber base of 260 million according to it's wiki page, somebody needs to find reliable information on this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.43.202 (talk) 06:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be a problem here, if that's what you're trying to say. The statement in the lead of the article says what the source provided says. Nearly verbatim... E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 06:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Verizon seems to still disable GPS on some phones

I think the Verizon Wireless section: GPS disabling of certain devices

Needs to be changed from: Verizon no longer restricts or disables GPS Chips in their phones.

To: Verizon still disables or cripples some GPS technology, but it's unclear which phones are crippled.

See http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/227582-palm-pre-plus-gps-issues.html See http://forums.verizon.com/t5/Palm-Devices/Palm-Pre-Plus-GPS-issue/td-p/166299;jsessionid=0DA2253C9E1FD8561CF59A69352C8DC5 See http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Software/GPS/m-p/261954/highlight/true#M16196 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.218.174 (talk) 09:48, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Being in a position to test out most of Verizon's phones, I haven't found any phones released since that announcement with a "crippled" GPS. The Palm Pre GPS issue was/is a bug, one that Palm needs to address, and is not intentional crippling by Verizon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.2.217 (talk) 02:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Outdated

Under Controversy the section "BroadBandAccess plans" needs to be updated. Verizon's terms have since changed to allow streaming of video and gaming over the cellular network. Verizon has also changed to allow VoIP. Verizon has changed their "Prohibited uses" section under their Terms and Condtitions. There doesn't seem to be any information about a 5GB bandwidth cap, so that needs to be removed as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.105.176.241 (talk) 02:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

No 5Gig cap eh? http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans&lid=//global//plans//mobile+broadband - Wysprgr2005 (talk) 05:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

"Dim dad" protest Verizon, not Verizon Wireless

The protest over the commercials with the girl scolding her dad were for Verizon DSL which doesn't belong in the Verizon Wireless article. 108.17.92.110 (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Controversies

We should include Verizon's Math Problems in the controversy because it was at large at around the years 2006-2009. During that time Verizon misquoted the difference between cents and dollars. This case is all over Youtube. I think this detail is very relevant as part of Verizon Wireless' history.

Wfrmsf (talk) 19:14, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Competitors

Why is there a "competitors" section in this article? I can't think of any other businesses that list such information (for example, Toyota doesn't list every other car company in the world). Isn't this handled quite simply with the "US mobile network operators" template and the "Mobile phone companies of the United States" category? I'm strongly tempted to remove this incomplete and seemingly unnecessary list. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Will Edit

I will edit this section, as I agree. We’ll change it to include a link of US Wireless companies.

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Wordy and/or Outdated Information

There are only two concerns that I have with this page, and they are fairly minor:

First, many aspects of the page are somewhat outdated. Granted, they are only outdated by maybe one or two years, but with a company, or subsidiary in this case, that is expanding and changing at such a rapid pace, much of this needs to follow suit and be updated to some extent.

Second, a few sections seem very wordy, which can, at times, make the page somewhat hard to follow. This is not a big issue, however.

If these things were looked at and/or edited, these page would be perfect in my mind.

CollinGill (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

potential resources

• Verizon Drops Plan for New $2 Fee December 31, 2011 WSJ.com by GREG BENSINGER
• An Uproar on the Web Over $2 Fee by Verizon by RON LIEBER and BRIAN X. CHEN published December 29, 2011 Nytimes.com and in print on December 30, 2011, on page B1 of the New York edition

99.109.125.85 (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Add Susie's Lemonade to Commercial section?

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPj-4dRBiww.

Qwertykal (talk) 18:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

MiFi Data Usage and Billing Errors Section

This entire part of the article is unsourced and reads like it was written by somebody who had a problem with this specifically. It should either be removed or re-written from a more neutral tone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.232.234 (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Largest wireless carrier

An IP editor has been repeatedly editing the article, contrary to the best available sources, to say that Verizon is the second largest, when clearly they are the first largest. Could we please get a discussion going to resolve this? Jehochman ^Talk 03:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The FCC report clearly indicates that AT&T has more subscribers and Verizon is in second place. The only other source that's ever been mentioned is not useful, because it includes retail+wholesale subscribers for Verizon but only retail subscribers for AT&T. The FCC report is official and consistent.