Talk:Charles Manson

Location of Spahn Ranch is wrong

Spahn Ranch is in the Santa Susana Mountains above Chatsworth, California.

It is not "near" Topanga Canyon.

It is near Topanga Canyon Blvd., which runs north, terminating far away from Topanga Canyon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don Williams (talk • contribs) 18:31, 17 December 2012‎ (UTC)

The Myth of Helter Skelter

"Manson believed in what he called "Helter Skelter," a term he took from the song of the same name by The Beatles. Manson believed Helter Skelter to be an impending apocalyptic race war, which he described in his own version of the lyrics to the Beatles' song. He believed his murders would help precipitate that war. From the beginning of his notoriety, a pop culture arose around him in which he ultimately became an emblem of insanity, violence and the macabre. "

Very tersely, Charles Manson has never spoken about the term "Helter Skelter". When asked multiple times, he denied any existence of any plot to begin a "race war", or any use of the term "Helter Skelter" as a reference to such plots. He maintains that it was a buzzword picked up by a media outlet and popularized ad nauseum. This Paragraph in its entirety should be immediately removed due to extreme bias.

The section on Helter Skelter cite only Watkin's and Watson's books. This is a narrow view, considering the dozen or so hours of talk with Charles Manson available to the everyday internet man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.171.199.253 (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC) Stephen 24/03/13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.171.199.253 (talk) 20:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Very tersely: the only things that have been repeated ad nauseam—ever since Manson's trial itself, in fact—are denials like yours.96.227.135.168 (talk) 06:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, god the quantitude of fanboys for this murderer just strikes me as nearly unfathomable. Whatever he said afterwards in order to get himself out of prison does not change the fact that he said the stuff about "Helter Skelter". Period,84.112.106.126 (talk) 14:41, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Postscript

• Helter Skelter book has a remark that biker Al Springer "vanished". In fact he died in 2000. See http://www.cielodrive.com/updates/?author=1&paged=8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.72.154 (talk) 18:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

If Mason was a racist then why did he order the killings of Tate and the LaBiancas? So much of this article is based on hearsay and myth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.239.250.100 (talk) 09:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Section or separate article for cultural depictions?

I came here from the article for the 1984 film Manson Family Movies. I ended up finding that while there were enough mentions to where it could merit a mention somewhere on this article, there wasn't really a lot of coverage that I could find. I didn't really want to put it up for deletion and lose the article history in case someone in the future digs up more coverage, so I redirected it here. I was just wondering- is there any merit in creating an article for cultural depictions of Manson? There's been so many in notable enough places that we'd have enough to make a separate page. Thoughts? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:14, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

It sounds as if you have some knowledge of the topic and a serious interest in it. Why don't you start a page and see what happens? To avoid any Wikipedians who may be a little quick to delete it (or any other new page), just make sure your initial post, however brief, has been carefully prepared, with one or two well-formatted footnotes. (To be honest, I don't know the workings of Wikipedia very well, but that's my advice.) Here, in the Manson article, you could post a "Main article" link to your article; you could post it at, say, the beginning of the "Cultural reverberation" subsection.108.16.92.227 (talk) 09:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

• I'm not really as familiar with it, to be honest. Other than knowing that there have been some appearances on South Park and one or two TV films, that's about it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Manson murders

Shouldn't the "Manson murders" be a separate article, distinct from this one (which, presumably, is about the biography of Charles Manson)? There are many instances of far less notable murders that have their own Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

James L. T. Willett

Should the murders of James and his wife be part of this article? It seems to me to be guilt by association.