Talk:Holocaust denial

Pseudohistory

Holocaust denial is a form of pseudohistory, isn't it? 68.37.254.48 (talk) 15:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

No, quite on the contrary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.17.161 (talk) 19:10, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is. However, the article does a very good job in getting the facts stated. If there is a Reliable Source that states this explicitly, improve the article by citing it. HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

A template and a category

Re this repeated removal, both the category and the template seem adequately relevant to the topic to include. Assuming that Solntsa90 isn't joking with their "I would argue that Iranians are not nazis" edit summary. My counter is that this is not what the article/category/template say. VQuakr (talk) 01:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Is Holocaust Denial/Revisionism an inherently neo-nazi concept? That is to say, is it primarily perpetuated and espoused by neo-nazis, and if so, can you back this up with sources? Ditto with Holocaust Denial/Revisionism being a primarily anti-semitic concept. Solntsa90 (talk) 01:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I ask this, because "adequately relevant" is subjective terminology. Solntsa90 (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

The "antisemitism" category was found to be appropriate after discussion, and "Frequently Asked Question" #1 above specifically addresses the point , as well as extensive material in the article's footnotes (especially footnote 10). There has been no new discussion warranting the removal of the category and it should be maintained. --Arxiloxos (talk) 01:55, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Holocaust denial is a prevalent trait in Neo-Nazi groups, information which is already discussed and sourced in the article. VQuakr (talk) 01:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Being male and of European ethnicity is also a prevalent trait in Neo-Nazi groups. Should we list these as 'category:neo-nazi'? Correlation does not imply causation. (The anti-semitism tag is accounted for as per arbitration, but since this tag has not been, this one is subject to scrutiny and needs sources implying that holocaust denial is an 'anti-semitic' belief--once again I ask you, would you call the Iranian who proscribe to Holocaust denial 'neo-nazis' or that they believe in a 'neo-nazi' concept? also, this may be in violation of WP:WORLDVIEW. Unless something strong from an academically neutral source can say that this is a 'neo-nazi' ideology, I will remove it once more. Solntsa90 (talk) 02:03, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

That holocaust denial is prevalent among neo-nazi groups, and by extention anti-semitism, is richly sourced. I think we are just playing with semantics here. Irondome (talk) 02:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not. Are you? Many sources are subjective and trying to confer an opinion, and I am just pointing errors with the categorisation:

1.) Which neo-nazi philosphers/thinkers/pundits/posters invented Holocaust Denial/Revisionism? Holocaust Denial is listed as a 'Neo-Nazi Concept', but it doesn't seem to be a concept that originates from their camp; rather, most of the people seem to range from Eastern Europe to Japan and are well into their 80s, old enough to have had been nazis originally, disqualifying the title;

2.) What does that make of the rest of the world that isn't Neo-Nazi that believes this in largely polled numbers (Iran, Palestine, South Korea, etc.) are they following what is a Neo-nazi belief? Do they believe in white pride, aryan race, etc.?

3.) Since when did Correlation imply causation? A googling of "neo-nazi holocaust denial" will reveal many, many websites that will talk of neo-nazis who hold the belief in holocaust denial...but this is not the same as holocaust denial itself being neo-nazi and its a very important distinction to make. Also of interest is how no sources seem to attribute holocaust denial to neo-nazis (perhaps nazis themselves have invented this idea, but 'neo-nazis' from what I understand is a relatively new working class-movement that isn't known for it's intellectual prowess), and the snark answers make me think that there really are none out there in confirmation of your view that this page adequately ascertains the criteria for the tag. Solntsa90 (talk) 02:25, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Shall we label ketchup as a vegetable next because they're both made of tomatoes? Solntsa90 (talk) 02:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Straw man, no need to address. VQuakr (talk) 04:02, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll take your refusal to address the points above as admission that you have no evidence or sources to support the extraordinary claim that neo-nazis are in direct relation to the subject of Holocaust Denial, and am thus using your refusal to answer the questions as your agreement that neo-nazi reference should once again be removed from the article. Strong emotions don't make up for facts. Solntsa90 (talk) 19:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

The words straw man fully addressed the "points" above. There is agreement from three other editors here that your proposed changes are undesirable. VQuakr (talk) 00:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:NOTDEMOCRACY Solntsa90 (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, explain how to the above points are 'strawmen', or the above are merely argumentum ad hominem. As such, your explanation remains unsatisfactory. Solntsa90 (talk) 00:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

...[Wikipedia's] primary (though not exclusive) means of decision making and conflict resolution is editing and discussion leading to consensus—not voting. (Voting is used for certain matters such as electing the Arbitration Committee.) Straw polls are sometimes used to test for consensus, but polls or surveys can impede, rather than foster discussion and should be used with caution. Sorry, did I miss a vote or survey somewhere? Everyone who has contributed to this discussion thread has provided reasoning. VQuakr (talk) 00:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Ad hom is a personal attack. Pointing out that a line of reasoning is a straw man is a comment on an argument, not the editor and as such would never be an ad hom even if not correct. You are making a straw man argument by substituting a fallacious and easily-countered line of reasoning (that all Iranians are neo-Nazis) for the actual response by other editors (that most neo-Nazis espouse Holocaust denial). Given that you have zero support from other editors for this change, there seems little point in continuing this conversation. If you think the consensus here is not clear, please use dispute resolution to get additional opinions rather than continuing to impose your edits on the article space. I suggest a request for comment. VQuakr (talk) 00:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with VQuakr: there has been no sign of support for, much less a consensus in favor of, the category and template changes proposed by Solntsa90 here. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Also agree, no consensus for these proposed changes whatsoever. I vote "no." HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Revisiting the wording for "David Irving and the Lipstadt libel case"

I just want to make sure I understand the source-references and the wording in this segment.

"In February 2006 Irving was arrested in Austria, where Holocaust denial is illegal, for a speech he had made in 1989 in which he denied the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz."
I can actually find information with the provided sources putting it very bluntly as to what happened in what year:
"2005: Arrested in November in the Austria province of Styria under laws against denying the Holocaust. Police acted on a warrant for his arrest issued in 1989 in connection with two speeches he gave in Austria. Bail is refused."
I'll also refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial
With this said I believe this part of the article should have 2005 as the year referencing his arrest. --Popodong (talk) 04:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Correct. Feb 206 is when he was convicted, not when he was arrested. Zero^talk 10:38, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Justification for Holocaust Denial in the Arab World?

The section on "Holocaust Denial in the Arab World" features a politicized justification of Holocaust denial in the introduction, which I find highly inappropriate for this particular article.

"According to civil liberties and human rights lawyer Michael Ratner, the use of the Holocaust as a narrative to justify victimizing the Palestinians is likely the main culprit of the presence of Holocaust denial among Palestinians: On our trip to Hebron our Palestinian guide had asked me whether I really thought six million Jews had been killed in the Holocaust. He was skeptical. I was angered by his doubts. I answered him directly and unequivocally: six million Jews had been murdered. The visit to Yad Vashem gave me some perspective on his doubts. He implicitly understood that it was the narrative of the Holocaust that was used to justify his victimization and the refusal of much of the world to do anything about it. His way of dealing with it was to reject the claimed justification for his oppression. School of Oriental and African Studies professor Gilbert Achcar has argued that "Holocaust denial in Arab countries ... finds its roots in Israel's exploitation of the Holocaust for political purposes. It also serves as a simplistic explanation for Western support of the Zionist state and as an outlet for frustrations created by Israel's oppressive supremacy.[107] On a similar vein, prominent French historian and opponent of Holocaust Denial Pierre Vidal-Naquet opined, "Those who, in Israel or elsewhere, make political use of the Shoah, are running the risk of making this into not a historical truth, but a 'political truth', as the deniers' sect puts it, in other words something which can be crushed by more incisive reasoning."

First off, that the "Holocaust Denial in the Arab World section would need a disclaimer larger than its introduction is concerning. Second, this article concerns Holocaust Denial, NOT the political nuances of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The first source addresses the "use of the Holocaust as a narrative to justify victimizing the Palestinians", while not substantiating that the Holocaust is ever used to justify anything or that the Palestinians are being purposefully "victimized" by Israel. It appears to conflate the genocide of millions to a refugee crisis—with the implication that "Jews are doing to Palestinians what Nazis did to Jews". In addition, it seems to pin the long history of Arab antisemitism on the actions of the State of Israel. The next source is far more concerning.

"Holocaust denial in Arab countries ... finds its roots in Israel's exploitation of the Holocaust for political purposes. It also serves as a simplistic explanation for Western support of the Zionist state and as an outlet for frustrations created by Israel's oppressive supremacy."

The notion that Israel exploits the Holocaust for political purposes is unsubstantiated and frankly offensive. By quoting such an obviously biased source which dubs Israel "the Zionist state" (similar to Iran's "The Zionist Entity") and claims "oppressive supremacy" this article justifies antisemitism by alleged Israeli actions, which is frankly antisemitic.

The use of these quotes in the context of this article is questionable, taking an article about the Holocaust and tangenting into politics about the State of Israel.

I propose that the "justification" be deleted, considering that when explaining Neo-Nazi Holocaust denial, no one adds that "They deny the Holocaust because the Jews sold out Germany in World War I." That's just absurd.

Lastly, many of the citations showing that Abbas denied the Holocaust are reliable, it's a common fact that can be searched for easily.

I propose that the questions of reliability for the sources be reviewed

Thoughts? --monochrome_monitor 00:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

You seem to be arguing on the basis of what offends you. That's not good enough; you have to argue on the basis of Wikipedia rules. Gilbert Achar is one of the leading scholars of this subject. Michael Ratner seems to be prominent enough for his opinion to be notable. Bring reliable sources with different opinions if you think they need balancing. Zero^talk 00:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The inclusion of Michael Ratner as a RS seems problematic. He is certainly a most brilliant lawyer with a strong POV in certain areas, and is arguably very publicity-conscious. He is not an academic in the sense that he is a professional historian who has published works in the field and is recognised as a RS by his peers. I would suggest WP:Undue in terms of Mr Ratner. I will not pretend to be a wiki expert yet, but I suspect there is a category that Mr Ratner falls into. We may be seeing a fault-line or disconnect here between Notability and a reliable scholarly source. He is merely a notable legal mind who has spearheaded several legal challenges and defences of high political controversy, and harbours strong opinions, who can get them "out there" with little trouble. His target audience is a loose coalation of like-minded intellectuals rather than the expert and most widely-cited specialists in the professional historical world. I would argue this weakens his weight as a source. Undue may be a bad choice on my part, but I cannot locate the specific WP guideline that most covers this at the mo, as its dinner, 2 beers and crash for me. Will check in morning. Cheers Irondome (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

To an extent, I admit, I am offended. My great grandmother immigrated from Lithuania after her sister was shot by the killing squads. But I also think it is, scholarly, inappropriate. For excample, Gilbert Achar is very biased, a self described "Marxist/socialist", and if you read the article he wrote he absurdly claims that Holocaust denial in the Arab world is relatively uncommon. A very good critique of this article was done by Cifwatch. If not for being offensive, this quote should be eliminated due to bias.

In addition, I think the "condemnation of holocaust denial in the Arab World" section should be cut. It's not there for any other ethnic group and frankly doesn't belong. The article is about Holocaust denial, not "criticism of Holocaust denial" (a separate article). It seems someone included the anti-Zionist quotes and Arab holocaust condemning references trying to skew the point of the article.

The very last source is also biased, accusing Israel of "denying" its "ethnic cleansing" of Palestinians. --monochrome_monitor 02:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The anonymous article at Cifwatch is full of ignorant nonsense. The worst is "He organised the killing of 12,600 Bosnian Jews", which never happened. As for Achar, you should get his book and read it. Every historian and every Wikipedia editor is biased, that by itself means nothing. You have still not made a case based on Wikipedia rules. Zero^talk 02:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

To Irondome: I think you have a point about Michael Ratner and I will replace him by Sammy Smooha who conducted the survey mentioned at the start of the section. Meanwhile, is there a better case for quoting Paul Rauber earlier in the article? I don't think so. Zero^talk 13:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Rauber seems problematic too, Zero0000. What do you think? Irondome (talk) 19:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

To User:Monochrome Monitor.There is probably a significant percentage of WP eds who have a direct connection through family history to the horrors of the Shoah. This editor is one. I also agree that there are some issues with this article that I am becoming aware of. But remember what we are here for. To improve WP. We do that by finding other RS (there is a lot to support the view that HD in the Arab world is being somewhat understated in this piece) and engaging. Do not sucumb to a negative despair which eventually manifests itself in a mere criticism of sources based on POV/bias. That is human nature. Find new sources, get out there and lets improve the article together. I mean all of us of good faith and human kindness. With great respect Irondome (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

You're fantastic. Holocaust denial is definitely understated per the Arab world. In fact, it's much more common in the Middle East than in Europe today. There are certainly polls that could be used to indicate that. But anyway, I think the article should be about Holocaust denial and not the reasons for it. I just don't think the problem is about Palestine, considering Jews were hated by the Arabs way before the rebirth of Israel. Here are a few sources [1] [2] --monochrome_monitor 00:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, please try to avoid inflammatory terms such as "hated". Other eds will be far more willing to read your posts if they are couched in a moderate tone. Let your sources speak for you. Irondome (talk) 01:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I tend to be too opinionated on the talk pages. But seriously, according to a recent poll antisemtism is 73% in the Middle East. --monochrome_monitor 20:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

"For this reason, Holocaust denial is considered to be an antisemitic[10] conspiracy theory"

I take issue with this bold, black-and-white claim; I think it marginalizes those who don't see the theories of the Holocaust being false as inherently antisemitic. I tried to add "widely" before "considered", but Tarc twice reverted my change. This isn't just Tezero and his invisible army of Holocaust denial sympathizers - if you'll notice, to anyone reading, even the section "Holocaust denial and antisemitism" uses the word "widely" right away and cites numerous examples of scholars who disagree. I really think that the simple phrase "is considered" as it's used stands only as a slap in the face to Holocaust deniers and their sympathizers: "Ha ha, you're wrong and everyone knows it. Even Wikipedia isn't going to afford your view any real estate here. Go cry all the way home to Stormfront." Tezero (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

"Go cry all the way home to Stormfront" is precisely the message to send here. Tarc (talk) 01:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Why? If you think Holocaust denial is inherently antisemitic, then it should follow that we shouldn't advocate against it, because that's an ideology and Wikipedia doesn't take a position on such things. Go cry all the way home to the JIDF; how about that? Tezero (talk) 03:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I consider it to be more akin to pedophilia, really. Some beliefs just don't get a say or a voice in this project, sport. Sorry. Tarc (talk) 04:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm proud that you're secure in your teleiophilia. However, Wikipedia doesn't care. Wikipedia doesn't have to agree with viewpoints, but it does have to acknowledge them. Besides, what do you mean "some beliefs"? What rule should we use? What the Western world thinks is icky? Tezero (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

When you cross one of those bright lines, as you did here, that is when you will be made aware of the rules. Run along and spruce up a Pokemon or Sonic article now. Tarc (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I must've missed the rule that says "Wikipedia doesn't have an ideology... except against Holocaust denial and pedophilia. That shit don't fly." Sorry about that. Bright lines, indeed. Tezero (talk) 00:11, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I oppose this adding "widely" to the lede in the manner suggested by Tezero as well. See FAQ response #1 at the top of this page. VQuakr (talk) 02:53, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

"Preponderance" doesn't cut it when there's a whole section largely about people who don't consider it to be antisemitic. If those aren't "reliable", they shouldn't be in the article at all. Tezero (talk) 03:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS, and realize this is an (amateur) encyclopedia, not a blog or forum.HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:RS only strengthens my point - there are reliable sources later in the article that question whether Holocaust denial is inherently antisemitic. It would be more like a blog or forum, in fact, to exclude these completely to phone in the assertion that no one disagrees. Tezero (talk) 07:03, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Which reliable sources are those? Only thing I see is "Some have argued that not all Holocaust deniers are necessarily antisemitic", with precisely one example (which means the "some" has to go) -- which says one particular holocaust denier is a fool, not an antisemite. You know where the other reliable sources are in the article; I'm not finding them -- please elucidate. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 16:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

There's another example: Walter Reich said "The primary motivation for most deniers is anti-Semitism". Tezero (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

While the article may address certain fringe opinions (that Holocaust denial isn't antisemitic) it's not wrong to unequivocally state the prevailing opinion as fact. Pedophila is a great example. "Most scholars agree that children are incapable of informed consent. For this reason, child porn is viewed as highly unethical." there doesn't need to be a "mostly" or "widely", it's viewed as antisemitic. And thanks for making me all the more confident in my choice to change it, considering it will be a "slap in the face for Holocaust deniers" (like that's a bad thing?) And while Tarc was blunt about it, I would agree this is not just something you compromise on. "If Holocaust denial isn't antisemitic, then is blood libel antisemitic? Does antisemitism even exist? Does anything exist?".

Those are stupid examples, because I'm not advocating that the charge of Holocaust denial being antisemitic be removed entirely, only that it be characterized as what it is: a majority opinion rather than an absolute, unanimous one. Tezero (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

If our refusal to be a platform for insane, hateful ideologies truly offends you, feel free to go back to Stormfront.--monochrome_monitor 21:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC) Basically, while if you deny the Holocaust there is a 0.0x10^-16th chance that you, as a person, don't hate Jews--the very act of denying the Holocaust is always hateful towards Jews, hence it is antisemitic.

Yeah, you know what? It does offend me that we can't add one fucking word to make the intro actually summarize the body text just because Wikipedia wants to make an exception to its undue weight and neutrality policies so the Jews can feel 100% safe. Oh, and I can't go "back" to Stormfront as I have no interest in joining and would probably not be accepted anyway because of my Arab and Iranian blood, but thanks. What if one said that they couldn't believe that the Holocaust had happened because they knew the Jews are too strong to be exterminated like that? Tezero (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Get a grip eh? Your POV is showing now. Irondome (talk) 22:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

My POV is that accuracy > simplification. I don't despise Jews, although there's no non-clichéd way to try to demonstrate this, I think. Going by the presence of my uncommon Czech surname in official records, some of my own ancestors were killed in the Holocaust (or perhaps Jews who adopted the name). Tezero (talk) 02:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry man but if you think the holocaust didn't happen, for whatever reason, you are accusing Jews of lying (to gain sympathy.)

More than just Jews, and even for Jews, not necessarily because of their ethnicity or faith. It's like how Malcolm X continued to indict whites after his 1964 revelations because of their perceived role in subjugating minorities. Tezero (talk) 02:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

You have to understand that in the world nothing is ever 100%, but the amount of holocaust deniers that are antisemites is quite close. Widely is a weasel word in this context. It's supposed to be used for things like "malaria is concentrated widely in Asia and Africa". From an encyclopedic view it just doesn't work, not to mention the moral view, which is why we are so blunt about our opinions in the subject. --monochrome_monitor 00:06, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Why should Wikipedia have a moral view?

Also, I'm aware that the vast majority of Holocaust deniers, if given some kind of test of antisemitism, would "pass" it. But that doesn't mean the positions are inherently intertwined. It's like how the vast majority of Prius owners and vegetarians are (I assume) liberals - does that mean their viewpoints are inherently liberal? Tezero (talk) 02:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

You don't understand what I said. I said for an encyclopedic view it is wrong, and that the moral view is the reason why we insist on keeping the correct encyclopedic wording (widely is a weasel word and the Holocaust is not a place for weasel words). Your spurious comparison to Prius's only shows how out of touch you truly are. I'll repeat: Denying the Holocaust is ALWAYS antisemitic, whether or not the denier is antisemitic. For example, drawing a swastika in a Jewish cemetery is ALWAYS antisemitic, whether or not the vandal is antisemitic. You don't need to be a hateful person to do a hateful act.

I'll remind you that holocaust denial isn't as broad as revisionism. A denier never claims that 10 million Jews really died, or that Hitler was a space alien. Denial is accusing Jews of exaggerating or fabricating the evidence, claiming no gas chambers existed, etc. Holocaust deniers always presume that (and if they didn't they would be simply called revisionists) "the Holocaust wasn't as bad as they said it was" (because less people died, people were killed by natural causes, Hitler had no intent) .... Making this claim and then distorting facts to convince others of this ideology is purposefully diminishing a despicable tragedy and IS ALWAYS ANTISEMITIC.

Good day sir, if you still don't understand, then frankly there's nothing I can do to convince you. --monochrome_monitor 15:05, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Nice no-true-Scotsman fallacy; the article states itself that "revisionist" is the term Holocaust deniers use for themselves, and so there is no difference. Oh, and if "widely" is a weasel word, why does the intro still include "most" or "generally"? But really, all three of the words are fine because Wikipedia isn't supposed to take exception to controversial topics. No, you haven't convinced me. Tezero (talk) 21:18, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Really?

"Scholars use the term "denial" to differentiate Holocaust deniers from legitimate historical revisionists, who use established historical methodologies..." I'd rather say that those using the term "Holocaust denier" are academic activists and should be distinguished from legitimate historical research. --41.150.26.100 (talk) 15:56, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear your personal opinion. Do you have some reliable sources to go with it? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that people who say holocaust deniers have no credibility have no credibility? Huh. --monochrome_monitor 03:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Worst than that. They are "activists" innit? It may be (cue gasps) signs of a cunning Zionist conspiracy demanding academic rigour. I am sure that is what our worthy (AGF, AGF dammit Irondome!) colleague is trying to intimate here. Irondome (talk) 00:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Worthy indeed. He boasts an impressive 1 edit. --monochrome_monitor 00:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Protection Status

I believe this article's protection status should be increased. It has been vandalized a lot recently by anonymous antisemites. . I propose changing it to confirmed-user only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monochrome monitor (talk • contribs) 05:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Not needed. There are tons of us monitoring the article for vandalism. One of those three was reverted in 35 seconds, the other two within 4 minutes. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 16:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

You guys are doing a great job and I try to thank you whenever you make a revert. It was just a suggestion. --monochrome_monitor 16:39, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Accuracy of definition

Holocaust denial is described as the "act of denying established facts concerning the genocide of Jews in the Holocaust". Is this correct? Doesn't it extend to anyone studying or questioning a wide number of facts or assumed facts?101.98.188.150 (talk) 04:20, 15 November 2014 (UTC)