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... or panic madly and freak out?

Have you come here to rant at me? It is water off a duck's back.

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Balija page edited with proper sources but had reverted back again

Hi Sitush,

U had reverted our page again, But we had given proper sources only but u had mentioned that as Unreliable one, whats wrong with my below proof.

By Devadatta Ramkrishna Bhandarkar. It mentions an inscription edited by Dr. Fleet, Vol XIII, p.185, in which Turagavedanga (Thiruvenkata ?) is mentioned as the "scion of Bali race" as Kishkinda-puravar-sevara and Bali-vamsa-odbhava. The publication "Genealogies of the Hindus, extracted from their sacred writings, pg. 48-49" mentions.The Epigraphia Indica, by Bhandarakar, Volume 42, p. 37. Yashoda Devi mentions in her book The History of Andhra Country, 1000 A.D.-1500 A.D.: Administration, literature and society.

The above one is a strong proof and how everytime u r reverting back and we are highly disappointed due to this ,see we are describing our Heritage and its true and not a fake one right.

Not necessary for us to do this and to to edit wrong information in wiki.

Kindly check once again and revert back

Karthick

Question about wikipedia procedeers

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Mystery Destroyer

Hi Sitush (and everyone else who's looking at the destroyer),

At first glance, this may be a Tribal Class destroyer and could therefore be HMS Amazon (1908). I haven't looked in my library yet as I'm not in that office today, but a quick look online shows this model for comparison (I'm aware it may not be the most reliable source, but just as a starting point it might be useful). The hull looks similar, as do the funnel and air intakes, but the bridge superstructure is harder to be sure of.

On the other hand, it could be a completely different class! I haven't had a very thorough look yet, but I've recently spent a lot of time looking at HMS Nubian (1909) and a few similar features caught my eye.

I'll have a look in a bit more detail tonight and tomorrow, but I'm going to the Arnhem commemorations after that so I won't be able to add much for a week I'm afraid (sorry, that's only just occurred to me after offering to look at the photo!). I look forward to everyone else's thoughts on this too though. Regards, Ranger Steve ^Talk 08:52, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think it is HMS Nubian. Just found a sharper image here. Ranger Steve ^Talk 09:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Further to that, Sitush, this is the main Manchester Ship Canal images page on that website. The home page linked from the top contains various notes about ownership. I'm uncertain where the version you have came from, but certainly it appears the owner of this website wouldn't take kindly to the higher resolution version being used on Wikipedia. Interestingly, there is also a picture of HMS Amazon in this collection (MSC34). Ranger Steve ^Talk 09:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that the owner of that website can claim copyright all he wants, but since they were commercially published, he doesn't actually have a leg to stand on. Scanning something is not a creative act and does not give copyright to the scanner.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm well aware of copyright law in the UK, but as I said, I doubt he'd take kindly to it. Ranger Steve ^Talk 20:37, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for the information thus far. I'd deciphered the lifebuoy lettering as including the string AU-IA and either N or H at the end. Swap that first A for an N and it is a good fit. Someone else has also suggested the Tribal class and I am waiting for permission to reproduce their email here.

One of my relatives died at Arnhem: got caught by a mine blast and broke his back. I've still got a letter referring to it somewhere. One da, I'll find the cash to get over there to the grave, and to those of several other relatives who died in WWI in France. - Sitush (talk) 09:36, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Having spent so long looking at pictures and plans of Nubian recently, I've got quite familiar with the Tribal class. At first I thought the first letter on the lifebuoy was an A, hence the assumption of Amazon. The sharper image makes it look as if it's a partially obscured N though, and the rest of the letters certainly fit. Ranger Steve ^Talk 09:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Yep, that's it. Great work there, thanks. I've started an expansion of the Nubian article. I'll probably get some of the terminology wrong! I'll have to see if I can find a copy of that postcard, which will itself be out of copyright and therefore ok to scan and upload independent of the website that you found. - Sitush (talk) 10:13, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

You may like this image. This one is copyrighted to Chatham, but if you just google HMS Nubian, you'll see other copies of it around that may not be restricted. I've done a fair bit of research on her recently, but I'm afraid it's all primary sources from The National Archives and not so useful for Wikipedia. There is some information on her 1916 damage here though (pages 342-344). Ranger Steve ^Talk 10:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I am picking up stuff from the British Newspaper Archive. The article would probably benefit from an experienced eye when I am done. - Sitush (talk) 10:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Sturmvogel 66 had the following to say (I was waiting for permission to copy from their email):

I'm honestly surprised to see such a ship on the Canal given that there weren't any warship builders in Manchester or environs, AFAIK. The key identification features are the double "swoop" of the deck edge just to the right of the sailors and the two boiler ventilator cowls abaft the funnel. Ignore the structure (a covered searchlight platform?) behind and above the cowls, it's from another ship. While the cowls look like they're right behind one another, the rear one is actually offset to the left, which is very helpful and eliminates a lot of possibilities. I don't have good photos of all the pre-1912 destroyers as they were produced in a lot of variants, but I _think_ that this is HMS Viking, a Tribal-class destroyer built by Palmers around 1906. I'm awaiting a comprehensive history of British DDs, that will hopefully have better coverage on these early ships than my current books, so I'll take a look through it once it arrives.

I've been expanding the article now that the decent-quality photo absolutely nails things. I may in fact be over-expanding but it can always be trimmed back. - Sitush (talk) 16:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I think Sturmvogel 66 is wrong in this instance. There may not have been warship builders in Manchester, but the Elswick Ordnance Company had a major plant in Openshaw, which among other things supplied heavy guns to the Navy, so a warship pootling up the Ship Canal to have its guns overhauled or replaced wouldn't have been particularly surprising. Source and map here. ‑ iridescent 18:41, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Good catch, I hadn't considered gun foundries.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:24, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I just got a copy of March's magnum opus on British destroyers and it doesn't have any photos or drawings of Nubian, so I can neither confirm nor deny that she's the ship in the photo.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Sir Parshurambhau College

Came across this page while wondering what 'P.C College' (and its variations) referred to. Then I saw the page was an unsourced mess so I did this. Pretty much reverted the text to your last version of 13 June 2014‎, while keeping the more detailed info-box. Just FYI, and hope your health gets better. 220 of ^Borg 08:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for doing that. Mine is a fleeting visit - I'm pretty doped on meds at the moment and the articles on my watchlist seem to be deteriorating fast. - Sitush (talk) 16:34, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

List of notable people in chettiar community

Ample evidence is available for the list of people mentioned being notable as well as belonging to chettiar community. Wiki articles about said people are proof enough. If still in doubt, you can check that the given names of many people like AVM & RA itself has Chettiar in the end as surname (AV Meyyappan Chettiar and Raja Annamalai Chettiar) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.234.53.150 (talk) 14:45, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Please see User:Sitush/Common#Castelists., - Sitush (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Casts of shaheeds (Nishan-e-Haider holders) of Pakistan

Hi Sitush. Do you mind taking a look at Casts of shaheeds (Nishan-e-Haider holders) of Pakistan. Do we have any precedent of having such articles. -- SMS ^Talk 08:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I deleted it - the entire table is already included in Nishan-e-Haider. Good to see you're still around Sms! --regentspark (comment) 15:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, both. - Sitush (talk) 00:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Montage Issue

You had proposed 3 years ago (in fact many times according to past discussions) to delete Montages in its entirety from India related articles. The Majority of the people in that discussion had said no and there was general consensus that there should be montages to represent what a caste looks like etc. Although it is true in previous years that actors and 'good looking' people (according to your statements earlier) were put in the earlier montages, I have made this one for the purpose of showing people from diverse fields. With all due respect, I don't believe that you and other meatpuppets (for lack of a better term) have the authority to decide if Caste montages should be included or not. Also, per Wikipedia policy, you are supposed to discuss an issue before you revert any edition I make, and assume good faith in the process. The Montage is to show some prominent members of the Nair community, and the fact that in previous montages you considered them 'good looking' is more so a personal preference rather than a logical reason. I kindly ask for thousandth time to please let me and others collaborate and build an encyclopedia that presents information in the right way without having Civil POV editors harm the process. Rabt man (talk) 00:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Go away. I don't deal with confirmed sockpuppets. - Sitush (talk) 00:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

What is worse than a sockpuppet are people trying to undermine other communities they wish they were part of through public encyclopedias with support of hierarchies in the Wikipedia system. I have seen you turning a blind eye when there is clearly POV in the Ezhava and Syrian Christian articles. I understand that you do not wish to collaborate, but know that what you are doing is much worse than someone who used multiple accounts on Wikipedia and will come to the light eventually. Rabt man (talk) 00:45, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem with collaboration. I have a problem dealing with serial liars, cheats and pov-pushers. - Sitush (talk) 00:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Sitush, I have told Rabt to keep away from your talkpage. For your part, don't get baited! Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 01:09, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

This is why I am trying not to edit much at the moment. I'm likely to call it what it is rather than at least make an attempt to wrap things in cotton wool as is the preferred WP way. - Sitush (talk) 11:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thanks Sitush for all your hard work, which you have performed here at no small cost. It is greatly appreciated--not by all, but certainly by those who aim to keep the place clean from corruption, spam, misinformation, ethnic propaganda, political rhetoric. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Hear! Hear! Sitush, I have admired your work for years and years even before I became a Wikipedian. You have been a solid rock defending the India pages. - Kautilya3 (talk) 17:59, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

My thanks to both of you. I think you probably realise that I am in one of my dark phases at the moment. It will should pass. But, wow, while I always thought Drmies was something of a Methusalah in WP terms, I didn't realise just how recently Kautilya3 has been contributing! I take my hat off to both of you, the (ahem, Drmies) old and the new - I've always been impressed, even when in disagreement. - Sitush (talk) 00:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Mandwani

This note's for you. Drmies (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Another Gyan book

Found this when I was looking at some large scale copy pastes at Marathi people. This has some content from Maratha Empire, but not sure which came first, the chicken or the egg. To research and add to your list. —SpacemanSpiff 18:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

If it isn't from WP then it will likely be nicked from somewhere else. I thought we had agreed that nothing from Gyan is reliable? I know that Moonriddengirl leans that way and I have (slowly) been removing them. - Sitush (talk) 18:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but my chicken and egg comment was to figure out if we have a copyright problem with this. —SpacemanSpiff 19:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, if our only source is the Gyan book then it doesn't really matter - it is either us copy/pasting or us adding unsourced statements. Either way, it would be removed. - Sitush (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit on page Bharwad

Hey! I realise this is the second time you reverted the edit on the page Bharwad. Under 'Etymology', what sense does it make to write the following, "known as the Mota Bhai (Motabhai) and the Nana Bhai (Nanabhai)"? How is Mota Bhai any different from Motabhai? The words in the bracket are unnecessary and this repetition totally unnecessary. Also, under "Divisions", the words are explained with their English meanings. By then, the words have already been used 3 times. It is more useful to explain the meaning of the word the first time itself, especially, since Etymology means that! I hope you undo your revision. Ronakshah1990 01:19, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Denzil Ibbetson

There has been a massive, but clearly GF, addition to Atwal - what sourcing there is based upon Punjab Castes By Sir Denzil Ibbetson. I seem to recall this is not considered a reliable source?
Hope your health issues are improving - Arjayay (talk) 08:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Constant reverting of Edits on Pran Sukh Yadav

I don't intend to fight with anyone or go on a war and also don't feel afraid of any sort of ban. Sorry, to hurt anyone's sentiments, just trying to expose truth by my limited knowledge. Again want to describe something about Pran Sukh Yadav

Pran Sukh yadav was a person who even after fighting for freedom of India remains nearly unknown. I have done extensive research on him and two research scholars at rohtak university are presently doing research on him in order to make his deeds known to the world. I cannot present the detailed accounts on him on wikipedia thus, only mentioned relevant information related to him. I shall be more than happy if learned people like you help me in collecting verifiable documents on him and in improving the article. He started his career in Sikh Khalsa army of Ranjit Singh and became a commandant (headed battalion) by his merit in fauj-ain. When Hari Singh Nalwa annexed Peshawar and was governor of Peshawar he recommended his name for Izaz-i-sardari to Lahore palace. The recommendation letter of Hari Singh Nalwa is still preserved in Archives of Lahore Museum Library. Details of his participation in Indian rebellion are present at Jalandhar museum at Jalandhar, Punjab. His native village Nihalpura is only 7km from battlefield of narnaul and old people still remember his instigation of aheers and gujjars against british. He went underground after 1857 in order to save himself from death sentence. Details of Col Gerrard shot by a man carrying minie rifle are still present in the archives of Merrut museum, Merrut. His minie rifle along with his sword was confiscated by Punjab police in 1947 from his haveli at Nihalpura due to involvement of his descendents in Hindu-Muslim riots during partition of India. The details of confiscated minie rifle and sword are present in Punjab police records. Kindly help me in improving the article and research.