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Merging from Over the Rainbow (Kylie Minogue single)

Surely Kylie Minogue isn't the only notable recording artist to have released a cover of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". Extraordinary Machine 17:36, 18 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I agree that they should be merged, there's 100's of cover versions, as it says in the main article, why should Kylie's doesn't warrant special attention.

I can't believe the version by Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs isn't mentioned. It was quite a hit in Australia in the 50's or 60's when it came out. I guess I know all about it because his version is one of my signature karaoke songs. Gemfyre 05:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title of the song/article

Does the original name of the song include the word "Somewhere" at the beginning? The Wikipedia article on the film refers to the song simply as "Over the Rainbow," and that is how the lead section of the article begins as well. If so, wouldn't it be better to move this to "Over the Rainbow"? Also, if the title is supposed to include "Somewhere," should the word "over" be capitalized? I noticed that recently the article was moved from "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" to "Somewhere over the Rainbow." I understand that with normal capitalization rules, prepositions are not capitalized, but I have never seen this song spelled with the letter "o" lowercase in actual use. "Over" is capitalized in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest" and "Someone to Watch Over Me," but then again, "Bridge Over Troubled Water" was moved to "Bridge over Troubled Water," (capitalization I haven't seen in practice either). What are others' thoughts on this? ~ Reminiscent 23:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "o" should remain in lowercase form if the title is begins with "Somewhere." "Over" is a preposition and it is also below (and not equal) five letters. See dictionary.com. Prepositions (under five letters) should not be capitalized unless if it is part of a idiom, or if it is actually an adverb, or a has a different meaning. The four-letter preposition "from" is often wrtiten in lowercase form in titles of authored works as well. --Jivi 00:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely "Over the Rainbow", not "Somewhere over the Rainbow". In addition, I think we need consistency with "the" as it appears in the title. "The" or "the"? The article states it both ways and can usually be seen both ways with song titles anyways, but general consensus for the article? "The" or "the"? Little nanita (talk) 05:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move

Katherine McPhee

Does she really need six lines about her version? 139.62.166.77 20:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patti LaBelle- it was called "overly dramatic," and that is insulting and an opinion. Also, Sam Harris's version was a complete copy of Patti's version.

Artist covers

Is it necessary to include so many names in the article? Just wondering. Xiner (talk, email) 18:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David Bowie did not even perform the entire song, he simply added the chorus to his song "Starman" when he performed his final Ziggy show at the Rainbow.

The band NOFX did a cover of this song...76.195.234.11 (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Is it necessary to write an entire section devoted to Eva Cassidy on this song? She did a good job with the song, no question, but really...Garland's original version remains THE definitive version.--Susan Nunes 15 February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.228.62.37 (talk) 07:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favorite covers is from The Killer himself, Jerry Lee Lewis, who plays a great piano version circa 1980. 71.119.74.155 (talk) 07:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Order the covers in chronological order, whether in the right-hand bar (with or without years in parentheses, but keep it consistent), in the article itself, or both. Yay or nay? Someone want to do it? Little nanita (talk) 05:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Norah Jones

There is no version by Norah Jones. The internet one is fake, that is not her voice.

I think the blink 182 version is also fake

This is true. The real artist is Aslein Debison and the cover appears on her album, Sweet Is the Melody. Look in iTunes! Little nanita (talk) 05:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the Lyrics

The article makes constant reference to a second verse, and also briefly to an introductory verse. I was curious to read the lyrics after that but was disappointed the page did not have it. Do you thnk it's worth including? Argonith April 29,2007

I strongly agree with the opinion above, particularly the lyrics for that almost unknown second verse!MCSmarties 04:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do it! Brutannica 04:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SUPPORT Little nanita (talk) 05:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fakes

(sorry i'm not english...) Norah Jones didn't sing this song, fans confuse Norah Jones with Aselin Debison. The voice is to high pitched for Norah Jones and the voice is like like a kid voice. blink 182 is a fake too. Fans confuse Jimi Hendrix with Chris Impellitteri too and Chris Impellitteri is written both on the list. Deep Purple is (i think) a fake too. --Dangvucau 00:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Norah Jones/Aselin Debison is fixed. Here's a link to a supposed blink 182 "Over the Rainbow" cover. I'm a blink listener, but not a dedicated enough fan to know if this is them or not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ozpX1O2wc . And find some sources for the Chris Imellitteri/Queen/Jimi Hendrix issue and I'll gladly change it! Deep Purple as well.. Investigate, guys!! Little nanita (talk) 05:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Queen too(in fact Chris Impelliteri)

What about Metallica? This is the first time I read about them playing or even recording this song.--80.133.212.154 (talk) 15:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Israel Kamakawiwo'ole

I feel there should be a separate page for this song as it is technically a different song - then on that page the info about Cliff Richard's cover version and single release details can be put on there.

SUPPORT Aselin Debison's version could also be covered there. Little nanita (talk) 05:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I have read the original lyrics from the movie and compared them to a relase on Iz's album "Alone In IZ World" the version of "Over the Rainbow" have the same exact lyrics. I say there should not be a separate page but a clarification of the two different versions that Iz recorded. Homercles82 (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


There should really be a covers section and a list of artists who have covered this song 81.97.99.90 (talk) 02:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Series of edits

I have tried to make a number of improvements. I have done it using a series of edits to help make it easier to see what has been done. I hope others find them to be real improvements. If you have any objections, then let's discuss them here and make sure the article ends up in better condition than it was. -- Fyslee / talk 03:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1.) Chronological order! 2.) Year in parentheses? 3.) Is there a way to link the names in the right bar to the description of their specific cover in the Covers section? If so, I think it should be done. 4.) Everyone who is in the sidebar should have a description, but not vice versa.

Actually, I'm just going to eliminate the list of covers in the sidebar and link it to the covers section, haha. Little nanita (talk) 05:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominees for deletion

Per the hidden instructions at the beginning of the Covers section, I am nominating the following for deletion:

  • Buckethead: not a true cover, but more a spoof version
  • Omar Naber: no reference

If anyone provides documentation, please provide diffs of the edits below. If no documentation is forthcoming within a few days, they should be removed. This list of covers should not be misused for promotional purposes. -- Fyslee / talk 06:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have a good point. We could delete the list and just leave a short paragraph or a couple sentences that sum up what we know about the song being covered extensively. -- Fyslee / talk 05:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Still, with the song being so famous, readers may very well be interesting in seeing who has covered the song as it has been done across several genres. If not in this article, the information should be still be available on Wikipedia, maybein the form of a List of Covers of 'Over the Rainbow' or whatever an appropriate name would be for such a list.
While there is no need to document every cover ever performed (if even possible), it seems appropriate to document those that made it onto notable professional recordings, and other performances that might be significant (for instance, Rufus Wainright's tribute concert to Garland). - Slow Graffiti (talk) 20:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Fyslee: the popularity of the song among professional performers should be handled in a concise treatment. Certainly significant performances should be mentioned, but any kind of extensive list provides no value to a reader. The treatment should be sourced, referencing respected, reliable sources commenting on the work's popularity and success.
Jim Dunning | talk 20:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At least the most notable cover versions should be mentioned. For example German act Marusha had a big hit, selling more than 500,000 copies of her version in 1994. Also, Buckethead could be noted, as he not only made an own version in 2001, but also based a whole album on it, Somewhere Over the Slaughterhouse.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 21:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm now routinely removing additions that do not document themselves as charting or otherwise significant. (For example, if a band covered the song but it's not mentioned in the band's article, it can hardly be significant enough to mention here.) --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The list came back. I killed it again. Sorry I took so long. --jpgordon::==( o ) 01:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And again. Jeez. --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do we know orchestrator for original film version?

Given that this is such a popular song, can someone please verify the orchestrator for the original film version? It might be found in the liner notes for the various CD deluxe editions or perhaps Fordin's book on the Freed unit. Imdb.com lists 3 orchestrators apart from the musical director.GBS2 (talk) 17:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Page 61 of The Making of The Wizard of Oz: Movie Magic and Studio Power in the Prime of MGM and the Miracle of Production #1060 (by Aljean Harmetz (New York, N.Y.: Dell Publishing (1989))) identifies the orchestral and vocal arrangements being done by George Bassman, Murray Cutter, Paul Marquardt, and Ken Darby.
Jim Dunning | talk 19:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not A Ballad.

This song is in no way a Ballad; not by any definition. A Ballad tells a story. This song is nothing more than self-indulgent musing out loud. It does not, in and of itself, advance a story-line separate from that of the movie, nor does it contribute to the overall story being told by the movie.

To illustrate this point, consider the following examples of true Ballads from the popular culture of the past five or six decades:

The Ballad of Paladin;

The Ballad of Gilligan's Isle; and

Kenny Rogers' The Gambler.

Note how each has a story, with a beginning, a middle and an end. Admittedly, Paladin's story is a brief one, nevertheless it contains the essential ingredients of a Ballad.

Lengthier, and much older examples, include the iconic Australian poems, The Man From Snowy River and Waltzing Matilda.

Also, the use of the word "classic" in the opening line of the article is emotive and subjective. Many would indeed consider this song to be a classic but the use of the word here adds nothing factual to the article.

Thank you for your consideration. Sir Scott-A-Lot (talk) 13:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"This song is in no way a Ballad; not by any definition." How about this one, straight from a dictionary, "A popular song especially of a romantic or sentimental nature." — Matt Crypto 16:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mmmmmm. It could certainly be described as sentimental or wistful.173.72.136.143 (talk) 16:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Covers

This article really needs a "Covers" section. That said it should be limited to songs that actually were big - not just songs that the band played at a single concert. Israel Kamakawawawhatsit for example should be mentioned. 58.170.21.205 (talk) 23:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not certain where to note this but excuse me if this is entered incorrectly in the talk area in regards to my very unusual album Over the Rainbow. My late sister Jacquilyn Dingmann founded the Judy Garland Museum in Grand Rapids, Minnesota in 1975. She helped save the historic school built in 1898 that Judy's sisters went to when they lived in Grand Rapids from 1919 to 1926. At the time they lived only about a block and a half away. My sister passed away in 1999. I am Jackie's brother Michael Jensen. I in 2004 produced a solo piano album Red Sky at Night that included my version of Over The Rainbow I had titled Somewhere Over the Rainbow that the Judy Garland Museum director liked and invited me to play for the annual festival for Judy. I have now performed for many tourists in Judy's living room and also for six Judy Garland Festivals. I sent through the museum my music to Judy's daughter Lorna Luft. They listened first then approved of my album, Over the Rainbow a tribute to Judy, my sister Jackie, and my now late mother, Helen Jensen. They gave me special permission to include pictures of Judy with my 70 minute album that has 4 versions of, Over the Rainbow, that I rewrote into major length pieces with longest being, Over the Rainbow II at 30:51; Over the Rainbow III at 21:53; and shorter versions of Over the Rainbow I at 1:12; and Over the Rainbow IV at 2:02, plus two songs I wrote, Judy's Smile, and The Smiles That Go On. This special honor to include pictures of Judy with my tribute had never been done before for a solo artist. On the cover is a nice portrait picture of Judy in 1941 combined with a picture of her childhood home and includes a picture of Judy inside and a beautiful portrait my sister Jackie had painted of Judy. I wrote a paragraph about this in 2007 that was never included and do not know why, yet I had not mentioned the rarity of this album. Also I did not add that Jackie had founded the museum and started the annual Judy Garland Festival in Grand Rapids. I was also born in the same hospital as Judy and raised in Grand Rapids. I sold over 2,000 copies of my album without ever touring. I am a designate of the Helene Wurlitzer Foundation of Taos, NM where I have had artist residencies and worked on my music and writing there. My albums are both in the permanent collection at the Wurlitzer Foundation library. Let me know and I will rewrite any mention you might allow about my album. Thanks! Signed: Michael Jensen 12:34AM 7-15-14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winfred0000 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Connie Talbot entry be replaced as follows :* Connie Talbot ( 2007 and 2008)

Pga1965 (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, it does not need a "covers" section. It's been covered by thousands of artists and performers. We mention ones that are somehow significant and that we can source that way. For example, Brudda Iz version has gotten huge exposure and has become a cultural icon in its own right. --jpgordon::==( o ) 01:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--UrSuS (talk) 14:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many song related artciles have "Cover" section (for example, check Ghostbusters (song) not every cover has record and notability there). For versions like "Bruddah Iz" (Better use "Israel Kamakawiwo'ole") you can create separate articles and list them in Cover section with "Main" template. I wish you would create those articles and not delete information added by others.
Too bad; feel free to create the article yourself if you like these. --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:07, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For me cover list in main article is ok. For you not, that's a pitty --UrSuS (talk) 17:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would think that a mention of the Eva Cassidy version would not be out of place, as it's fairly notable; it was her version of 'Rainbow', (played on various BBC radio and TV outlets), which led to her discovery in the UK, and thence back in the US. Noel (talk) 07:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should be able to find reliable sources asserting that, then. --jpgordon::==( o ) 01:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is not reliable sources (there are many, such as the ABC Nightline episode); the issue is whether her cover is significant enough to warrant mention (given the apparent desire to limit listing of covers). Noel (talk) 20:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, the issue is indeed that; what other criteria do we have to go on, and how else do we demonstrate the significance of that particular cover? It's easy, though -- for example, if Rolling Stone referred to this song as the signature song of a clearly significant artist, then the song belongs in the list. However, in Eva Cassidy's case, there's something unusual -- unlike almost all the other covers people have wanted to put in the list, the Eva Cassidy article discusses the significance of the song in her career. --jpgordon::==( o ) 21:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

9

In the movie 9 by Shane Acker the character 5 dies to this song in the background. Should we add something about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.53.37 (talk) 22:52, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe in the article about the movie 9. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well yeah, but there are other media references with movies/shows that had the song in it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.53.37 (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a thousand of them; it's one of the most recorded and most used songs of all times. Wikipedia is not a random list of trivia. --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Judy Collins interview July 15, 2010

The second hour of the Tom Ashbrook WBUR On Point radio interview show on July 15, 2010 was devoted to Judy Collins performing Over the Rainbow on her currently released album “Paradise.” On the show she performs the additional lyrics introductory verse. "Also just out is the new children’s book, “Over the Rainbow,” with lyrics from the classic song and illustrations by Eric Puybaret. The book is accompanied by a CD of Judy Collins performing “Over the Rainbow,” along with two other songs." See onpointradio.org/2010/07/collins-rainbow or listen to the whole show audio.wbur.org/storage/2010/07/onpoint_0715_2.mp3

"It was not Irving Berlin who supplied the coda, it was Ira Gershwin who offered the “If Happy Little Bluebirds fly…can’t I?” and Harburg liked it and accepted it. I believe this took place in Los Angeles."

Complete original main lyrics can be found at stlyrics.com/lyrics/thewizardofoz/somewhereovertherainbow.htm There is a link there to a moving audio recording on youtube, apparently of Judy Garland as an adult, definitely not the movie soundtrack. When and where was this recording made? -71.174.187.200 (talk) 23:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion over "thirty-second"

Exactly what does this mean: "It was not until 1956, when MGM released the thirty-second true soundtrack album from the film.."

Were there 31 previous soundtrack albums released? Is "thirty-second" a measure of time? I have reworded this part as:

"It was not until 1956, when MGM released the true soundtrack album from the film, that the film version of the song was made available to the public."Guyburns (talk) 02:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Other performances

If we can find a source for this, i would like to add that Keith Jarrett closes his solo concerts with Tin Pan Alley songs, often this one (this from the article on his koln concert recording). I note this article doesnt mention tin pan alley.(mercurywoodrose)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Writer's Almanac for Feb 15, 2014 - Ted Koehler, lyricist for Rainbow?

Quote: It's the birthday of American composer and pianist Harold Arlen, born Hyman Arluck, in Buffalo (1905), the son of a musician. In the mid-1920s, he met lyricist Ted Koehler; together they collaborated on such tunes as "Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea" and "I've Got the World on a String." Among his many Broadway and Hollywood songs are "It's Only a Paper Moon," "That Old Black Magic," and "Somewhere Over the Rainbow."

Anyone know more about this? Possibly a mistake in the Writer's Almanac? ( Martin | talk • contribs 20:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Mistake. --jpgordon::==( o ) 16:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

lyrics-origins

While reading David Mccullough's book on the Wright brothers there is reference made to a wildly known and memorized and read poem by J T Trowbridge called Darious Green and his flying machine popular from the turn of the century on. Some lines from it include If birds can fly then why can't I and Also a reference to Bluebirds...Something that the songwriter may have heard and remembered.2602:304:5D33:3B49:30D3:F9BB:50E2:1987 (talk) 16:32, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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