Talk:Internet

Percentage of information carried through the internet

"It is estimated that in 1993 the Internet carried only 1% of the information flowing through two-way telecommunication, by 2000 this figure had grown to 51%, and by 2007 more than 97% of all telecommunicated information was carried over the Internet." - Where exactly in the linked source is this taken from? I cannot find this anywhere in the text :-( -- toblu [?!] 16:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

It does seem strange. "The information flowing through two-way telecommunication" - what does that even mean? Does it include radio, landline, satellite, mobile phone? What do we mean by "carried over the Internet"? TCP/IP? I couldn't find anything relevant in the linked document, although it did often offer comparative figures for other things for those exact years. But it is 254 pages long. --Nigelj (talk) 17:30, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

1. Communication

Communication At the moment the easiest thing that can be done using the internet is that we can communicate with the people living far away from us with extreme ease. Earlier the communication used to be a daunting task but all that chanced once internet came into the life of the common people. Now people can not only chat but can also do the video conferencing. It has become extremely easy to contact the loved ones who are in some other part of the world. Communication is the most important gift that the internet has given to the common man. Email, social networking sites are some of the prime example of it. This is one such gift of the internet which is cherished by everyone and has made our life easier to much extent.

2. Research

Research Now the point that has been placed next is research. In order to do research you need to go through hundreds of books as well as the references and that was one of the most difficult jobs to do earlier. Since the internet came into life, everything is available just a click away. You just have to search for the concerned topic and you will get hundreds of references that may be beneficial for your research. And since internet is here to make your research public, you can then benefit a large amount of people from the research work that you have done. Research is one such thing which has got lots of benefit from this evolution of internet. Research process has now got wings and has gained the most due to the internet.

3. Education

Education The next point that we have in this list is education. Yes you read it right. Education is one of the best things that the internet can provide. There are a number of books, reference books, online help centres, expert’s views and other study oriented material on the internet that can make the learning process very easier as well as a fun learning experience. There are lots and lots of websites which are related to different topic. You can visit them and can gain endless amount of knowledge that you wish to have. With the use of internet for education, you are non-longer dependent on some other person to come and teach you. There are various number of tutorials available over the internet using which you can learn so many thing very easily. There can’t be any excellent use of the internet other than education as it is the key to achieve everything in life.

4. Financial Transaction

Financial Transaction The next use mentioned here is financial transaction. Financial transaction is the term which is used when there is exchange of money. With the use of internet in the financial transaction, your work has become a lot easier. Now you don’t need to stand in the queue at the branch of your particular bank rather you can just log in on to the bank website with the credential that has been provided to you by the bank and then can do any transaction related to finance at your will. With the ability to do the financial transaction easily over the internet you can purchase or sell items so easily. Financial transaction can be considered as one of the best uses of resource in the right direction.

5. Real Time Updates

Real Time Updates Real time updates have been placed at the number fifth position here. This has been mentioned here in regards to the news and other happenings that may be on-going in different parts of the world but with the use of internet we come to know about it very easily and without any difficulty. There are various websites on the internet which provides you with the real time updates in every field be it in business, sports, finance, politics, entertainment and others. Many a time the decisions are taken on the real time updates that are happening in various parts of the world and this is where internet is very essential and helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.119.99 (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you implying that all of this information should be included in the article? I don't understand the relevance of all these details here. Discuss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa012 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Photo of ICANN headquarters

The photo that is appears here is not of the same building that is shown in the ICANN article. It seems to be a photo of the building in which the Information Sciences Institute is located, and was probably not updated when ICANN moved. Perhaps someone who knows which photo is correct could update this. Thanks. Jim (talk) 15:11, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

This is a photo of ICANN's Los Angeles hub office, which is located in the Playa Vista district. The office was moved from Marina del Rey several years ago. 2620:0:2D0:100:ACB7:D42D:D42B:9739 (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

The internet. Trolling you with bad capitalization since 1883...

quote: "Historically the word internet was used, uncapitalized, as early as 1883 as a verb and adjective to refer to interconnected motions.[citation needed]"

Is this a typo meaning 1983? Or an off-topic but intentional point about weird history. I could find no reference or citation, so should it be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.143.148 (talk) 06:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Very likely vandalism. Feel free to revert. Whomever inserted that nonsense needs to be monitored for possible suspension or banning from Wikimedia Foundation projects. --Coolcaesar (talk) 07:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

The earliest I could trace such a statement back so far on the wide web was http://markhillpublishing.com/the-internet-transistor-radio/ I would like to leave that blogger a comment asking if they have any idea where they got that from, and if it was maybe something we could cite, but I can't get through their logon process yet. Maybe it's rubbish, but it's interesting to trace things back. --Nigelj (talk) 10:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

This information was added here in this edit in 2012 by Pol098 (talk · contribs).. with a reference. The reference is not online, and I don't have access to the full OED at the moment to verify it. I don't know who removed the reference, why or when. I'll reinstate the ref, and try and find some template to tag it with 'citation not verified' or some other similar thing if I can find the right template. I think this is worth a few days of background research before just deleting it. --Nigelj (talk) 10:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

As the original poster of this information, I should comment. The 3rd edition of the OED has an entry for "internetted" with citations dating back now to 1849 ("1849 W. F. Lynch Narr. U.S. Exped. River Jordan & Dead Sea xxii. 450 Her hair..was internetted with minute spiculæ of gold."); this form is mentioned in the article on "internet" as an adjective ("Interconnected; interwoven. Now rare."), but not as a noun. The 2nd ed, which I cited in my original edit, gave as earliest citation "1883 A. S. Herschel in Nature 15 Mar. 458/2 The marvellous maze of internetted motions." So an intentional point about weird history, not a typo or vandalism. While Wikipedia has no requirement for a source to be available online, the OED is (on subscription). I'm not sure if this works in general, but when I've clicked on a properly formatted reference to the OED in Wikipedia (template {{OED}}) without being logged in to OED I've been taken to the appropriate page [Added later: this didn't work after a reboot, login required, so not valid]. HTH Pol098 (talk) 11:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

P.S. This is a cycle I've seen quite often: information provided with source ==> source gets deleted ==> {{citation needed}} added ==> information gets deleted. Pol098 (talk) 11:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I concur with Pol098's analysis and apologize. To clarify my remark above, whomever deleted the citation should be suspended or banned. --Coolcaesar (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

No culprit as such here, sorry; I've just noticed that the original OED reference wasn't deleted, but other text was inserted between the statement and the reference (also a common occurrence). This wasn't even wrong; the original reference applied also to the inserted text. I've just deleted the original reference, now duplicated by my recent edit. Pol098 (talk) 13:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I think it reads much better now, and it is more obvious that it is a point about weird history. It's probably a little off-topic, but I think interesting enough to be mentioned. There is really no connection between the 19th century meanings and today's, but hey maybe thats in itself point enough. Nice. -- same anonymous coward that opened this topic just in case it wasn't vandalism. P.S. how do you close out/delete a discussion? Or do you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.143.148 (talk) 03:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Origins of the Internet

'The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks' needs to be changed to: The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government and the government of the United Kingdom in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks. I have the required citations from the NPL, The Guardian and The InterNet Hall of Fame which categorically show that both the US and the UK were independently working on, 'robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks' and that while British pioneers helped develop Arpanet the same was not true at NPL. Also, don't forget that the first digital local network in the world to use packet switching and high-speed links was at the NPL campus. I'll wait a week for any objections before updating the article. regards.Twobells^t@lk 20:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

NO. You must not conflate the development of packet switching, which is only one aspect of the project, with the development of the Internet. Similar efforts were ongoing in France as well, and both countries were already credited with such work in the lede, and I find that placement already almost too much detail for a summary. The ARPANET was a DOD project and the only places where researchers reported to was Washington, not London, or anywhere. This has nothing to do with ignoring Davies' work, or Pouzin's for that matter. They can certainly be credited in the body for their parts, if not already, but their home-base research networks have nothing to do with the ARPANET. Kbrose (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

With respect, I do not see a problem, Davies work was the very basis to ArpaNet, American scientists directly involved confirm that and he should be credited along with Roger Scantlebury and Peter Wilkingson, I have the Guardian and NPL sources that categorically show that their work led to the creation of ARPANET. Also, The origins of the Internet date back to research commissioned by the United States government in the 1960s to build robust, fault-tolerant communication via computer networks, the Internet dates back to the work done by France, the UK and US (listed alphabetically) editors have no right to claim that America invented the net. If you want, I am happy to get an rfc on the issue but the sources "Packets of data were the key...". NPL. Retrieved 1 August 2015. Scantlebury, Roger; Wilkinson, Peter (25 June 2013). "Internet pioneers airbrushed from history". The Guardian. Retrieved 1 August 2015. (two among many) speak for themselves, regards. Twobells^t@lk 11:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Early research efforts belong in the body of the article, not in the lede. The body has indeed a section where precursor work is outlined. Like in any large research project ideas get assimilated from many sources, but this does not constitute the claim being made. Researchers have always communicated internationally. Packet switching was not just NPL's achievement, Baran did the identical work earlier actually, before Davies, in the US, and it too was funded by the DoD. Yes, Davies created the name packet switching and was the first to widely recognized for the concepts, and the article does that already, but in the end, it was the DARPA project leadership and funding that is to be credited solely for creation of the Internet through the late 80s. If there were any credible collaboration to incorporate the concept into DARPA code, the networks would have been interconnected at an early state, but they weren't because the DARPA folks created their own implementation and protocols were completely different and non-interoperable. It is easy to claim credit decades later, especially with "marketing" references that you are using, which seem to have a sort of activist flavor, but it just wasn't so. Everyone knows about Davies' work, and he is amply cited for that, but if you really want to be true to sources, then you should also mention that Davies himself credited Baran for the most relevant previous work. Yours are not reliable references for the claim. Kbrose (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Davis did co-invent packet switching, but you and your cited article perhaps give a bit too much credit to packet switching as the sole basis of the Internet. It certainly is a fundamental technology, but not anymore so than DNS or the TCP/IP protocol suite which Davies had nothing to do with. Also, the article doesn't even mention the work of Paul Baran, which is ironic given that it is an article about people's contributions allegedly being ignored. Baran actually invented it a few years before Davies. While Davies coined the term 'packet switching' and was an important figure in developing the first packet switched networks, he was not the first person to explore the concept, and the people at ARPANET were already aware of Baran's work. There were certainly other technologies and computer networks that laid the groundwork for ARPANET, but ARPANET was the first network to implement TCP/IP - the fundamental communications technology of the Internet, and marry it with packet switching which is basically what created the Internet. ARPANET was the first node of the Internet and is the network that the global Internet grew out of, so it is a bit right to say that it did originate in the US. We don't say that Douglas Engelbart invented the World Wide Web because he created hypertext. Chrono85 (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

category

Category:Media technology should be removed. 203.109.161.2 (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

"Deep Web"

The usage and primary topic of Deep Web is under discussion, see talk:Dark Web -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 03:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2015

Hi! I would like to request that the photo for this article be changed to the image hosted at https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHU3ncmUEAAcs6C.jpg:large

I feel this image properly encompasses the spirit of the internet and should be the representative visualization of it on this page.

Thanks for your time! Nikki 156.34.95.3 (talk) 06:38, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: For what I hope are obvious reasons. Hulk Hogan =/= the internet. Cannolis (talk) 07:58, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

The Internet and cats

Please swing by and help improve this new article! :D--Coin945 (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Bill Nye for National Science Foundation

Internet by Bill Nye for National Science Foundation

Suggested file to add to this article. — Cirt (talk) 17:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2015

59.99.68.225 (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Note: No request was made. See WP:EDITREQ for assistance. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2015

computer 59.99.68.225 (talk) 13:32, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Drawbacks

The Drawbacks section in its entirety is a POV piece, and therefore is inappropriate. It assumes that economic inequality, due to any condition or conditions, is inherently morally wrong. Wikipedia is not a place for moralizing. It also declaims against the fact that some businesses are more efficient, and hence better at utilizing scarce resources, and therefore better at maximizing the subjective values of the population. By using less resources, this also means those resources now no longer being consumed can be redirected to other uses, potentially creating more wealth and jobs than beforehand. Wikipedia is not the place to exhibit ignorance of basic economics in order to make a value judgement. It also seems to be essentially arguing for Ludditism. And Wikipedia is not a place to state that it is morally better to have twenty men digging a trench, vs one machine, freeing up the men for other, higher methods of production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.33.89 (talk) 19:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2015

Press the unblock network, ASUSX unblock. Not MF. Unblocked network ASUSX. 83.220.239.139 (talk) 08:52, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. /wia🎄/tlk 14:32, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

please add in the history section:
"ARPANET experienced a complete halt on 27 October 1980 because of an accidentally-propagated status-message virus that can be considered the first internet hack in history."
Sources:

• This Day in History: October 27 | Computer History Museum, http://www.computerhistory.org/tdih/October/27/
• Hobbes' Internet Timeline - the definitive ARPAnet & Internet history, http://www.cs.kent.edu/~javed/internetbook/hobbestimeline/HIT.html
• ARPANET Outage Data Breach, su Person of Interest Wiki, http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/ARPANET_Outage_Data_Breach
• James F. Kurose,Keith W. Ross, Reti di calcolatori e Internet. Un approccio top-down, Pearson, 2008, p. 660, ISBN 9788871924557.
• Happy Anniversary to the Early Internet's First Network-Wide Crash, http://motherboard.vice.com/read/happy-anniversary-to-the-early-internets-first-network-wide-crash — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvrk80 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

This should also be added to History of the Internet. --Fixuture (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: ARPANET was a prior network, and this seems too trivial for inclusion on the Internet page. But by all means add or request it on History of the Internet page though.GliderMaven (talk) 00:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)