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Frikadeller cross reference missing

There should be a cross reference to the Frikadeller wikipedia article, not even because they are somewhat similar (altough more firm) but because they are most likely the food from where the Hamburger (which is much softer) evolved: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frikadeller — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.203.20.66 (talk) 21:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Lab Grown Burger

Should the "Lab Grown Birger" be added to the unusual burgers section? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/08/05/209163204/long-awaited-lab-grown-burger-is-unveiled-in-london — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.15.255.228 (talk) 18:23, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The future of the burger? 29th February 2012

Hamburgers are famous at being at Bar-B-Q's.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9091628/Test-tube-hamburgers-to-be-served-this-year.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.130.243 (talk) 18:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 7 May 2012

"Beef Burger"?? I'm just curious why it necessary to prefix it with the word "beef"? Since "non-beef" sandwiches .. such as chicken .. are called chicken sandwich. A burger is nothing else ... but a patty that is primarily made of beef wrapped in a bun. 195.229.181.251 (talk) 11:35, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Many confuse the initial 'ham' as just that, not knowing the origin, especially if English is not their first language or they haven't studied European/German/world history. Burger is derived from burg (town), and could have been anything else; (off topic) eggs florentine (derived from Florence) have...spinach. Dru of Id (talk) 12:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Beefburger" (one word) is the standard British English usage: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/beefburger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.255.115 (talk) 21:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Claims of invention

I remember Alistair Cook, in one of his 'Letters from America', stating that the Hamburger was named after the town of Hamburg in Pennsylvania USA. I can't remember which 'letter' it was - sometime in the 1980s or 1990s, long before the 'Taste of Hamburg-er Festival' began there in 2003. However, there's no mention of that in the article. 149.241.202.165 (talk) 21:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC) dpstat[reply]

safe cooking temperature inaccuracy?

article contains statement: Because of the potential for food-borne illness, the USDA recommends hamburgers be cooked to an internal temperature of 170 °F (80 °C). If cooked to this temperature, they are considered well-done.[27]

Reference [27] points to: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/news/1998/colorpr.htm

That page contains statements: Thomas J. Billy, administrator of USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service, explained that USDA studies show that the color of cooked ground beef patties can be quite variable. At 160 degrees F a safely cooked patty may look brown, pink or some variation of brown or pink. "The bottom line is that if you cook your burger to 160 degrees F on an instant-read food thermometer, you can enjoy a safe, juicy burger," said Billy. Use an accurate digital instant-read food thermometer to check the temperature throughout the patty. The temperature must reach 160 degrees F.

all of which mention 160deg as the safe temperature, not 170. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.120.135 (talk) 01:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

The German article about hamburgers says that there are three versions why its name is hamburger, it might also come from the city of Hamburg, Erie county near Buffalo.95.91.95.202 (talk) 21:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Naan burger merge

There's a proposed merger from Naan burger to on of the sections here, I do support the merger of Naan burger into this article, assuming someone can find some sourced content to merge at all. Anyone got anything at all? --j⚛e deckertalk 03:40, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Synthetic burger

The claim that a burger has been made from feces is probably cra ... I mean bogus. See this question on Skeptics Stack Exchange: Has a meat substitute from human feces been developed in Japan?.

The only citation supporting the claim in the article is the Huffington Post, which isn't a reliable source. If you want to add this claim back in, find a more reliable source unambiguously stating that it really has been created. Andrew Grimm (talk) 04:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grades of Beef in Fast Food

We need a new Section: We need to explain the grades of beef used in fast food hamburger places like McDonald's, In-N-Out Burger, Wendy's, etc. There are 8 grades of beef: Prime, Choice, and Select are the best, then the lower 5 are Standard, Commercial, Utility, Cutter and Canner. I've read that fast food places use the lowest three grades. (The lowest three grades are used for ground beef and hot dogs.) Also USDA "A" is a misnomer, the "A" just means that it's fit for human consumption, that's all, it could be the lowest grade of beef possible and still be given the "A" designation. There's a great deal of confusion (and urban myths) out there and people are really curious as to the quality of their meat in fast food places. Cattle are normally killed and slaughtered at 16 months since they're fully grown by then and it would be a waste of money to keep feeding them. But dairy cows live up to around 8 years old and I've read that these dairy cows are slaughtereed and used in fast food places. Also, if McDonald's has it's own herds, then who do they serve their Prime, Choice and Select cuts to? --Fancy uptown restaurants? They sure wouldn't put expensive meat in their hamburgers, especially since I've read that they use "Utility" grade beef in their hamburgers. What do they do with the Cutter and Canner grades? Sell it for dog food? Or put it in their hamburgers? And the idiotic claim that everything in the burger is "100% beef" is very misleading, they could put the cattle hooves in the meat and it would still be "100% beef", so the "100% beef" is basically a lie that is used as a marketing ploy. People really want to know what they're eating, it's a health issue and a consumer right. And the fast food places are very deceptive and misleading. 50.202.81.2 (talk) 07:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The bun kebab link goes to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bun_kabab, where there is nothing, instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bun_kebab, where there is something.

Seems like editing this link to point to that would make sense but I can't do it because the page is semi-protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diathesis (talk • contribs) 12:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Something is wrong here. The page lists "Germany, United States" as the origin of the hamburger. Should it read "Germany and the United States"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.224.69 (talk) 18:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Addennum to Australian Hamburger Variation

According to eyewitness accounts, the McOz hamburger has been available during January 2013, and will be available for January 2014, as cited here https://mcdonalds.com.au/menu/mcoz 27.253.69.62 (talk) 09:09, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If someone's going to edit the AUS/NZ section, please wikify milk bar. – 75.111.1.72 (talk) 06:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Intracellular parasites (Sarcocystis) identified in two Hamburger samples

In Annals of Diagnostic Pathology Volume 12, Issue 6, December 2008, Pages 406–409 ("Fast food hamburgers: what are we really eating?"), an analysis of the meat of 8 fast-food Hamburger found that two of the samples contained sarcocystis parasites.

"Water content by weight ranged from 37.7% to 62.4% (mean, 49%). Meat content in the hamburgers ranged from 2.1% to 14.8% (median, 12.1%). The cost per gram of hamburger ranged from $0.02 to $0.16 (median, $0.03) and did not correlate with meat content. Electron microscopy showed relatively preserved skeletal muscle. A variety of tissue types besides skeletal muscle were observed including connective tissue (n = 8), blood vessels (n = 8), peripheral nerve (n = 8), adipose tissue (n = 7), plant material (n = 4), cartilage (n = 3), and bone (n = 2). In 2 hamburgers, intracellular parasites (Sarcocystis) were identified".--TraceyR (talk) 09:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit semi-protected

Under United Kingdom and Ireland, any chance of linking Abrakebabra and Eddie Rockets to their article pages Abrakebabra and Eddie Rocket's? 46.7.249.24 (talk) 19:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done Sam Sailor Sing 21:23, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2014

The hamburger originated in Germany. This is a fact 12.91.20.190 (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cite your sources please. Materialscientist (talk) 03:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2014

LieutenantFuse (talk) 23:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC) Requesting permission to name the place of origin[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The request doesn't grant you permission to make a change; one of your fellow editors will simply type it into the article for you unless there is some issue which prevents that. Thanks and welcome, Older and ... well older (talk) 05:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hamburger/ Germany

Of all the countries mentioned in the article, there is no mention of the hamburger in Germany ... either current or in history. It would help improve the article to have some basic or in depth content concerning Germany.--75.186.70.204 (talk) 17:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Temperature for cooking

Traditionally, why do hamburgers have to be cooked at 155°F and above — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.9.3 (talk) 05:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Safety, mostly. Because hamburger is ground it is necessary to cook it all the way through in order to be sure of eliminating all pathogens, particularly e.coli. The general recommendation is 160°F. This is addressed in the "Today" section of the article, though it does need some cleaning up... - Bardbom (talk) 06:13, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jalapeños

change ((jalapeno))s to ((jalapeño))s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.162.73 (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 22:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2015

Other hamburger-steak claims Various non-specific claims of invention relate to the term "hamburger steak" without mention of its being a sandwich.

should be changed to:

Other hamburger-steak claims Various non-specific claims of invention relate to the term "hamburger steak" which is not a sandwich.

The reason is that it is an over-sized ground beef patty that is served without being in a bun or between bread slices. Everyone knows this. If it were served in a bun or between slices of bread, it would have just been called a hamburger. 99.23.41.116 (talk) 08:25, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Sandwich"

Is a hamburger really a sandwich?? 184.23.178.210 (talk) 23:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How could a Hamburger be a sandwich? A sandwich is made with bread and a hamburger is made with buns, which are not bread but bread rolls. Many people don't know that fact, especially in English speaking countries. Since hamburgers are a German invention, it only matters what they are in German. 87.175.254.83 (talk) 06:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Provide a reliable source that " buns...are not bread but bread rolls". Provide a reliable source that "hamburgers are a German invention". I dare you. As for your last clause, that's just pure ignorance and absurdity.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 06:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
YOU are ignorant. Have you even read this article?! Here is the proof:
"The hamburger is named after Hamburg, Germany." source: Hamburger
Have you read the article about rolls? "Rolls are common in Europe, especially in Germany [...] the German language has many local and dialectal terms for rolls, such as Brötchen [...], which is the diminutive of "Brot" (bread)" source: Bread roll
Hamburg is older than the US, Brötchen (rolls) are older than the US and Germans eat rolls with ground beef aka Hamburger longer then the US exists. How can you even consider Hamburgers to be a US invention? 87.175.254.83 (talk) 10:34, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Have you even read the link to reliable sources" Wikipedia is not one of them! Nonetheless, "Named after" is very, very different from "birthplace of". Nowhere here does it state that Germany is the birthplace of the hamburger. The article about rolls, sure, lists the German words for bread and for rolls. but says nothing of buns or that they aren't bread. So, please, again, provide a reliable source that " buns...are not bread but bread rolls". Provide a reliable source that "hamburgers are a German invention". I dare you. And still, the idea that Germany is all that matters is an awful statement of ignorance.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 16:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The term hamburger originally derives from Hamburg,[2] Germany's second largest city.

No
"noun | ham·burg·er | \ˈham-ˌbər-gər\ ... 2: a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split typically round bun." --http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hamburger --Champaign (talk) 22:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - It is something served between two pieces of bread. The shape or sub-type of bread do not matter. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:03, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, a hamburger is a hamburger regardless of whether it is served as a sandwich or alone. older ≠ wiser 16
34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
That depends on who you ask: some people insist that without a bun it should be called a "ground steak". Others would agree with your usage. I don't think there's a universally accepted standard on that. 2600:1015:B105:C65B:75CB:A58F:F77C:8E23 (talk) 01:08, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is this??

From the introductory paragraph: "Hamburgers are sold at fast-food restaurants, diners, specialty restaurants (where burgers may sell for several times the cost of a burger) and high-end restaurants. There are many international and regional variations of the hamburger."

Where burgers may sell for several times the cost of a burger??? This parenthetical is blatant nonsense. It should be removed, unless someone can decipher what it originally meant and make it clear, in which case they should fix it instead.2600:1015:B105:C65B:75CB:A58F:F77C:8E23 (talk) 01:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I undid this ill-advised edit by another editor and the sentence now makes sense. General Ization Talk 01:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]


You english speaking people are wrong

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The OP is advised to review WP:NOTFORUM. Since their purpose is apparently not to improve this article, and based on their responses so far the probability seems high that they are just trolling, the discussion is now closed. General Ization Talk 21:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First of all: I am from Germany, so what I say is correct. The article is correct as it says that a hamburger is a German invention originated in Hamburg, but you are calling it a sandwich. Don't you know that a sandwich is something different? A sandwich is made with some kind of bread (Brot). A burger is made with rolls (Brötchen). I've seen many articles with this particular fault. I've seen it even in restaurants in the US and the UK. In my opinion you don't know that this is wrong, right? Maybe you should correct your language. 87.175.254.83 (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"I am from Germany, so what I say is correct." Wow. Please find reliable sources to support your claims. That's how we do things here.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 18:10, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As I told you before: I am German. This should be enough. I want to help you to correct your mistake so be nice and polite to me. Understood? 87.175.254.83 (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

'Sandwich' is a very loose term that can fit a variety of different food items. In many places, the word 'sandwich' can also describe a hamburger. Just because (you say) it can't in Germany doesn't mean it can't on this international encyclopedia.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 19:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I think you don't understand what I'm saying. Not this article in this "international"* encyclopedia is wrong - your language is. Perhaps this fault is because you think hamburger buns were bread (Brot). They are not. Hamburger buns are rolls (Brötchen). A sandwich is made with bread, not with rolls. This is why a hamburger is not a sandwich.

* en.wikipedia.org is obviously not an international but an English encyclopedia.87.175.254.83 (talk) 19:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rolls are a form of bread in American English. FYI this is an international encyclopedia. People all over the world speak and read English, and therefore people all over the world use the English Wikipedia. Case in point, you're German and I'm American; two or more countries = international.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 19:24, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If rolls are really a form of bread in American English than you should correct this fault in your language too. A roll is not a bread.

It seems like you make the mistake to call this an "international" encyclopedia, because you think it is sufficient if it is USED by people from more than one country. That's wrong. That makes absolutely no sense. It is clearly an English encyclopedia, because it is written in English. Otherwise every encyclopedia would be an international encyclopedia because we can assume that each encyclopedia is at least read by one stranger. If every encyclopedia were an international encyclopedia, it would make no sense to call any of them international. 87.175.254.83 (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You've gotta be trolling me. Your logic is impossibly awful. And yes, I'll start correcting the entire United States' usage of the word 'bread'. Lemme go fix that.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 19:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My logic is correct. If it weren't correct you could disproof it, which you can't.

I never sad that the US' usage of the word 'bread' is wrong and needs to be corrected - just 'sandwich' and 'roll'. 87.175.254.83 (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you are here to discuss the American language, specifically the American use of "roll" to refer to a bread product, and not this article, you are doing so in the wrong place. Any discussion not directly related to the improvement of this article does not belong here. If anywhere, it belongs on the Talk page of Bread roll. Also, as already explained, your opening assertion "I am from Germany, so what I say is correct" does not belong here, as decisions about content are never made this way on Wikipedia (whether English or German). General Ization Talk 21:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1. I did not want to DISCUSS the American Language. I just told you some points where it is wrong and I told you what is right. 2. This article is the right place, because you think a HAMBURGER is a sandwich. Clearly it is not. Even if every American thinks so, it just isn't. 3. I agree that a roll is a bread product, but a sandwich contains BREAD, not some BREAD PRODUCT. The word Brötchen is a diminutive of Brot. 4. My opening assertion was just to show you, that my opinion is correct and doesn't need any further proof.


I'll leave you alone now. I told you what is the right thing to do - if you don't correct your language it's your fault, again. Bye 87.175.254.83 (talk) 22:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Move to the US or UK, live there a year, maybe take a linguistics class, and you'll realize how silly your arguments are. Good day to you too.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 22:56, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong. How could MY arguments be silly?! I just told you facts. If you don't want to improve yourselves, it's your fault. 23:04, 18 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.175.254.83 (talk)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In case you didn't understand the notice at the top of this section: Diese Diskussion wird geschlossen. Bitte nicht, Änderungen daran vorzunehmen. General Ization Talk 23:25, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ich hab das schon verstanden, aber was glaubst du, wer du bist?! Warum sollte ich machen was du willst? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.175.254.83 (talk) 06:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because you will be blocked from editing if you continue to edit disruptively. General Ization Talk 17:05, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2015

Add this: And a person who steals and eats hamburgers is called a Hamburglar. 103.233.123.154 (talk) 01:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Canada, and elsewhere

The 'hot hamburger' served in Canada is a patty covered in beef gravy, and usually with fries. No mention of gravy anywhere in article. 66.81.246.2 (talk) 07:06, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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