Talk:Cherokee

Too long a quote in the Lead

Aside from the template for block quotes discussion the quote in the Lead is too long, as the Lead is supposed to cover a larger scope of content. That belongs in the body of the article together with other appropriate chronological material.Parkwells (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Stylistically and visually, it's too long a quote for the lede. And as a single account, it's undue weight to give it that much prominence. I think we should move it down to the sections about early contact. - CorbieV^☊ 17:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Origins

Ignoring the obvious copyright violation, [1] the source flatly says the theory was rejected. Per WP:FRINGE, it has little place in the article. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

it says the theory was rejected because of the Iroquoian theory. as you see i said theory and if it is not such a theory then why is there more then one listed. the same people who believes in the iroquoin theory rejects the theory that we have always been in the the southeast and the same goes for the theory from john haywood that was rejected. the major thing here is to show the varies theories of origin. They are more then 1 ..and as i say again just because it says rejected does not mean all cherokee and others rejects it ,many rejected the iroquoan theory but its still valid in history.Historicfuture12 (talk) 20:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Historicfuture12: You had, "In some cases it is stated that John Haywoods' conclusion is rejected...". Do you have sources that indicate any modern scholar accepts Haywoods' theory? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I am a Cherokee scholar and studied my culture & history since birth being raised in a Cherokee home i always had a sense of self I begin my journey on my major studies for over 15 years now and i have seen many anthropologist and scholars come up with many theories that inst listed such as migrating from mexico, coming from Atlantis, south America, etc. they are many scholars and anthropologist who also say south and north Asians along with north Africans moors came to ancient America. many Cherokees subscribe to John Haywood's theory also with their own studies what ever they believe to be accurate, I have heard many outlandish ones my self, the thing is John Haywoods theory and study is documented history and holds its place in theory as i say again ( any where in history or modern times if you believe in one theory you reject all others. Yes I said his info was rejected as the others listed on the Cherokee page have been rejected by the next scholar who does his advanced studies. all Cherokee theories have been rejected Historicfuture12 (talk) 21:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Historicfuture12: We've been through this before. Your personal knowledge and experiences are not relevant for article content. Articles rely on information previously published in scholarly sources. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I understand you need a source instead of my own scholarship, but i can show you a post of anthropologist and scholars saying the cherokee migrated from from mexico, so i guess i will post that then...But what im trying to get to you is that all theories of our origin are rejected in order to believe another. You and others are quick to cling on the fact it says it is it was rejected ,even the ones on the page is rejected as well so rejection does not mean its a theory. Juts as Einstein had theories not complete 100 percent fact.Historicfuture12 (talk) 21:27, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

The theories that should be presented in the article are those that are the most widely-held by scholars. So, not only would we need to cite the actual theory, but we'd also need to site some journals or similar scholarly sources to show that the theories are (still) widely accepted in the scholarly community. —C.Fred (talk) 21:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

show me all these scholars who believe the theories present on the page. (especially that we lived in the great lakes region) man ycherokee dont believe that. show me all these scholars expects for james mooney hes the only one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historicfuture12 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Historicfuture12, look at the other sources in the articles, the way they are put together, and read the links on basic editing we've provided. Read them instead of deleting them. Bare URLs are not proper citations. The fringe opinions you're trying to include are the stuff of fringe websites by those with no connection to the People; they are not the stories preserved by the Elders on the Boundary, CNO or UKB. If you actually have contact with any Elders, you need to go and listen to them. We have Elders looking at this page and commenting privately. - CorbieV^☊ 17:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

That's interesting. I see we've been given a week's break from Historicfuture12. Dougweller (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Two weeks for this.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 00:06, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2014

• references to Cherokees should be changed to Cherokee as it is both singular and plural.*

66.74.176.59 (talk) 14:34, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Do you have a source that says that 'Cherokees' should not be used? Looking at the official website of the Cherokee nation, they are okay with using it. Cannolis (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Errors in Cherokee Nation Flag Image--Please Correct or Remove

The image for the Cherokee Nation flag immediately under "Modern Cherokee Tribes" contains an error in the syllabary. As a language-speaker from Tahlequah pointed out to me, "the syllabary says Tsa-ta-gi-hi A-ye-tla (ᏣᏔᎩᎯ ᎠᏰᏝ -- error) instead of Tsa-la-gi-hi A-ye-li (ᏣᎳᎩᎯ ᎠᏰᎵ -- correct)." Consultation of the official Cherokee Nation website confirms this error. This image routinely comes up as the first "hit" for the flag on Google image searches and thus disseminates incorrect representations of Cherokee Nation sovereignty. Recommend removing this image until a correct one can be substituted, either from an open source file or by requesting that image compilers Aaron Walden and jdcollins13 re-compile a correct version of the flag. This applies to the flag and seal on the "Cherokee Nation" page as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.229.215 (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Total estimated Cherokee population in US

Now about 1.5 million Americans claim Cherokee descent, they are the largest Native American tribal group if you go by the total number of overall ancestry. Up to 600,000 live in California (around 200,000 in the southern half of the state), 350,000 in Oklahoma where the Cherokee Nation is located and 25,000 in their Indian reservation in western North Carolina. The rest (500-550,000) reside in all 50 states whether or not they are members of the 3 federally recognized tribes. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:1FA:3A88:955:CACC (talk) 00:47, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

States where Cherokee tribes and communities exist, including more Cherokee residents in the US west coast. |popplace = United States
(South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, California, Alabama, Missouri, Kansas and Georgia). 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:D962:2182:F3EB:EEB3 (talk) 01:21, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I also want to address the original homeland of the Cherokee in the Southern Appalachians extended into eastern Kentucky, southern Virginia, parts of West Virginia and northern Mississippi, as well the Trail of Tears crossed southern ends of Indiana and Illinois along the Ohio River. And many Cherokee from Oklahoma were farm migrant laborers in the mid 20th century, they would go to Louisiana, Florida, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Oregon and Washington state depending on harvest seasons. The Cherokee are found in all 50 states and Washington DC, but to keep it simple, the article's current template's listing of five states with the most Cherokee are kept as it is. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:24F3:157C:31F4:1568 (talk) 11:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The Cherokee Diaspora: how a Native American tribe has descendants in many places around the world, notably Mexico, Canada and as far away as Scotland, Australia, Brazil, Dubai and Japan. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:24F3:157C:31F4:1568 (talk) 04:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Imagine this: the Cherokee in federally recognized tribes are big as the population of Iceland, ethnic group representation as big as the population of Estonia, and the total number of descendants in the diaspora as big as the population of Slovenia. 98.150.68.110 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)