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Initial comments

When two bands are on the same record, it's sometimes called an S/T. What does it stand for? Phlebas 15:03, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

selftitled -darkshyne

They're more commonly called Split records. S/T stands for selftitled, where a band releases an album that has the same name as the band. Mikkel 06:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is ridiculously rockist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.48.68 (talk) 02:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RIAA certification

I presume that there is a separate RIAA certification for EP format (this is probably true for other countries as well). Is there any information what a Gold EP or Platinum EP is in terms of sales? Also, is there a separate EP chart still around (there was a separate EP chart in the UK in 1960s). --FreedonNadd 23:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

EPs were allowed into the UK singles chart again from November 1967 (just in time for Magical Mystery Tour to get to #2) and the EP chart was scrapped. Restrictions on time, tracks and formatting gradually came in (meaning from the late 90s singles couldn't have more than 3 different tracks). Anything not a single would be counted to the album chart or possibly the budget album chart (many EPs top the budget album chart).Retro junkie (talk) 18:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Opeth? Bad example.

"Fans of doom metal or experimental music such as Opeth and Current 93 are very familiar with albums containing a very low track count; indeed, Opeth's eight albums all contain single-digit track counts."

Opeth are a bad example. They are neither doom metal, nor do they have a low track count. A better example would be drone doom metal band Earth. Their second album only has 3 tracks, and the length of it clocks in at over an hour. -- Wraith 17:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Number of tracks

I think it would be more accurate to say that anything more than two tracks is an EP. Example: "They Came for Uranus" an EP with three tracks. -Litefantastic 23:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Defining EP

I took out a bunch of stuff in the Defining EP section that assumed that the number of tracks was the easiest way to determine what was an EP and what wasn't. It had about a half-dozen counterexamples from things that had lengthy songs and there are probably hundreds more. In my experience, length is a much better determinant, though I added a few exceptions. Recury 14:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Defining EP for a Video Recorded, other definition ?

I have a Video Recorder from Panasonic. When I record with the

When I record with the SP setting , I put 2 hours on a DVD
When I record with the LP setting , I put 4 hours on a DVD
When I record with the EP setting , I put 8 hours on a DVD
and there is also XP... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.148.91 (talk) 14:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i have a dvd recorder from panasonic which uses the same formats. mine have a 160 gigabyte harddrive but the formats are the same wether i record on the harddrive or on a dvd.84.212.73.96 (talk) 11:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting other longer product

Surely an EP is ,in the modern sense, just a replacement word for what we would have previously called a mini-album. A standalone product that is not used for promoting a seperate LP or album by the same artist and does not contain tracks that feature on another product.

Punk

I think this article would be well served by examples from punk. For example, the debut album of Minutemen (band) (The Punch Line) was only 15 minutes long, but still considered an album and they did release a number of EPs, which varied from just over 3 minutes to well over 20 minutes in length.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mini album

Ok so this page is the redirect. However 'mini album', in countries like Japan and (especially) Korea, doesn't have anything to do with extended play LPs. Many new artists (I'm talking pop groups especially here) debut album is called a mini album, which means it has mabye 5 to 7 tracks, being a couple of singles, a bit of filler and a remix or two. I'm thinking that since this isn't something that is both a) widespread and noteworthy and b) not easily included in this article that it might be worth me starting a new article for Mini Album? Caspar esq. (talk) 01:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Extended play → EP — WP:COMMONNAME and this discussion. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Clearly defining an EP

There are issues going on with several articles regarding the definition of studio albums and EPs. Is there a link or something from the RIAA on how to clearly define what constitutes as an EP such as total time or number of tracks? This would make fixing up other articles a lot easier. Jpagan09 (talk) 04:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See also my reply in the next section - it's about how the release was defined when it was released (we can tell from sources from that time, catalogue numbers, etc.), not how long it is. It's extremely annoying when editors attempt to reclassify historical releases based on their ideas about how long recent EPs/albums are and how many tracks they have. The original EPs bore little relation to many EPs released these days, and early LPs only had half the capacity of a CD and typically didn't use all of it. --Michig (talk) 20:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Problem

Creedence Clearwater Revival's album Green River is under 30 minutes (my copy being 29:19) and is classified as an LP. While Alice in Chains' Jar of Flies is over 30 minutes (my copy being 30:49) and is classified as an EP. My question: How is an official LP shorter than an official EP? Green River has 9 songs while Jar of Flies has 7 so does amount of tracks count? I believe both of my versions are the standard versions and know for sure neither of my versions contain bonus tracks. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 19:53, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The length of albums has varied in different eras. Short albums were common in the 1960s and 1970s. Long EPs have been common since CDs became dominant. Whether a release is an EP depends on whether it was marketed as an LP or EP, not on how long it is. --Michig (talk) 20:04, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Term 'EP'

I see in the article a lot of history of EPs as they are now conceived. But the history of the term "Extended Play" doesn't seem to be covered distinctly. If there were EP's 80 years ago, is that what they were called at the time? When and where did the term first appear, and what is the history of the extent of its use?CountMacula (talk) 11:16, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

EP vs. Mini-Album

We should separate classification of release type and the terms LP/EP/SP. Originally there were spedific formats of vinyl, this is how they should be understood. As you mentioned in the article EPs are equated as "Mini Albums", this is the term that should be properly used to call a medium length release, as ALbum is a full length release (usually released on LP at the vinyl-age).

Using the term EP for both vinyl format and release type is misleading and consufing/

83.13.239.255 (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The current title is a natural and didactically precise disambiguation. (non-admin closure) walk victor falk talk 11:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Extended play → EP (music) – The term "extended play" is essentially archaic, and the term "EP" with no expansion or explanation is the standard term for this format. "Extended play" is just an etymology; it's not the common name and is almost never used. Gendralman (talk) 03:21, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Unreal7.
@AjaxSmack the problem is, that the term EP is incorrectly used for non-vinyl releases, LP, EP and SP are terms describing type of vinyl, the terms to call a type of releases are Album (for full-length release), Mini-Album) for short albums), Single (I don't think tihs requires explanation) and Compilation. 83.13.239.255 (talk) 10:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect, maybe, but that is not for Wikipedia to decide. The term EP has been used for non-vinyl EPs for a long time. Decades ago, Martin L. Gore's Counterfeit e.p. was called an EP whether on vinyl, cassette, or CD. In addition, while an LP was (is) a single physical vinyl format, a 12" record, EPs of the vinyl era were all different shapes and sizes, making the term "EP" more of a rough designator of a quantity of material than the name of a physical format. In short, there was no single "EP record". —  AjaxSmack  12:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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@AjaxSmack all 45rpm records are EP records, the term is used for Mini-Albums in the same way as LP is interchanably used with full-length Albums, while Album and Mini-Album reffers to content, the LP and EP specifically reffer to the type of vinyl record. There:
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=ddiwuUpODi8C&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q&f=false
The bottom of page two clearly says that.
It is common to use terms EP and LP outside of vinyl area, but they are imprecose and indicate direct interpretation of Mini-Album and Album respectively.

Also, LP is not a single specific format, there can be 10" LPs, so LP is not 12" record, but 33rpm record, it can be even 5" (Therion's latest single is 5" LP, tehcnically). 83.13.239.255 (talk) 10:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Definitions are not precise

Per recent edits, there are no tight definitions of what is and is not an EP. Reliable sources do not support such tight definitions, so neither should this article. Please stop presenting personal opinion as fact. The suggestion that 'EP' can only refer to a 45rpm record is, once again, nonsense. --Michig (talk) 21:25, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is not duggestion, but the definition fo the format from when it was implemented, see Note 1 on the article, the term is incorrectly used to describe short albums, but Extended Play record itself is nothing else than 45rpm vinyl disc. The same goes with LP and Album, they are not the same thing, thus EP and Mini-Album are also not the same thing, the first terms describe type of vinyl record, while the other are terms used to classify a release of whatever carrier. Precision is the basis of database and terms that have clear meaning.
83.13.239.255 (talk) 09:04, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Extended Play record itself is nothing else than 45rpm vinyl disc": That simply is not true. There are 33rpm 7-inch EPs, 45 rpm 10-inch EPs, 45rpm 12-inch EPs, 33rpm 12-inch EPs, CD EPs, cassette EPs, etc. etc.. The term in its purest sense relates to a vinyl format where the playing time is extended by running at a slower speed or having closer-spaced grooves, but the article needs to reflect all of the different types of usage. --Michig (talk) 11:54, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They are not Extended Play records, RCA created and patented Extended Play as a 45rpm vinyl format. Everyone is of course calling EPs various releases, which does not make them such. 33rpm records are Long Plays (as patented by Columbia Records). Those 10 and 12" 45rpm are of course EPs, because they are 45rpm, but 33rpm discs are LPs, CD and cassette "EPs" are most likely Mini-Albums, or if they are longer than 25 minuter or have more than 4 tracks they are Albums according to The Official Charts Company [1]. The different usage is a Mini-Album, in the same way, why sometimes Album is called LP, because it is a long playing release, but not always a vinyl record, so long albums are called LPs and short are called EPs, this is common, but imprecise, on wikipedia we have separate articles for full-length albums and LP record, why not for EP record and Mini-Album?
SF 83.13.239.255 (talk) 19:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it "makes them such". In the absence of any officially sanctioned nomenclature, the name of a thing is what the thing is named. You have found no official definitions from reliable sources that support your claims that, for example, only a 45 rpm record can be an EP; your own proclamations are not proof. You claimed at Talk:Gramophone_record that these terms were in some way "patented". Well, patents (including expired ones) are online and searchable at uspto.gov. So it should not be very difficult for you to find the patent numbers. If you can't (and it seems you have not, so far) then as far as I can see you have nothing but examples on your side... but there are examples that contradict you, too. So until you can find patents or any other similarly official backing for your claims, you're just not going to get any traction. In the meantime, by the way, it would help a lot if you would confine this argument to just one of the talk pages; I suggest Talk:Gramophone_record. Or, heck, just see WP:DEADHORSE right now. Jeh (talk) 21:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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