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"commit suicide with her"

The article states that Hitler wanted to "commit suicide with her", but the according to the source backing the claim, he planned to commit suicide and kill Isak against her will. Normally when person A kills person B in a murder-suicide we don't say that person A "committed suicide with person B". I think the current wording is misleading. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Should be changed. Jonas Vinther (talk) 19:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was changed the same day: diff. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:34, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

15 March 2015

I just finished with my improvement of this article in my sandbox and implemented the whole lot. However, I don't think the article matches the GA-criteria (as I had hoped it would by the time my improvement was done). I will ask for some copy edits for this article and do my best to ensure it reaches GA-status. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've made further expansions and improvements, but nevertheless opened a peer review. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:25, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Stefanie Rabatsch/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 09:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Info box
  • Is her date of death not known?
Yes, according to Kubizek and The Daily Mail. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think Residences parameter should be made plural
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Austrian army officer → Unknown Austrian army officer
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • Explain who Hitler is, such as Leader of the Nazi party
Absolutely, good catch; done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • has excited much → has been subject to much
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stefanie was born → Use her surname
Not done: It would be confusing to refer to her as "Isak" in the beginning of the article and later as "Rabatsch" further down for the reader. To avoid confusion, I've decided to always use her Christian name when reffering to her, although it's common practice to use surnames in biography articles, but this article (IMO) calls for an exception. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Linz
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hitler never spoke with her once and she ended up married to an Austrian army officer. → Hitler never once spoke with her, and she later married an Austrian army officer.
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • towards her. Little is known about her life. → towards her, and little is known about her life.
Background
  • Stefanie Izak, as she was known then, → Born Stefanie Izak,
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Use Rabatsch from this point onwards, not Stefanie
Per my explanation above, I've decided not to. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • She was one, perhaps two, years older than he. → She is thought to have been one or two years older than Hitler.
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kubizek's book was heavily cut during the Nazi era, especially the details of Hitler's passion for Stefanie, but was republished in many editions after the war. → Kubizek's book was heavily edited during the Nazi period, especially the parts concerning the details of Hitler's passion for Rabatsch, but was republished in many editions after the war.
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Interaction with Hitler
  • and delivered daily → and deliver daily
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • was away, visiting → Remove comma
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • and was taking dancing lessons. → and was had taken up lessons.
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • stating he had found consolation in that → This isn't very clear
Well, being at the funeral of your mother most likely made the man extremely sad (Hitler was also defined by his close relationship to his mother in his early years), but he found consolation in seeing Stefanie at the funeral (I think she merely passed by, but even so). Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kubizek claims that, → Remove comma
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • After Hitler's mother died of breast cancer in 1907, the funeral procession went through Urfahr to Leonding and Kubizek remarks that Hitler said he had seen Stefanie at the funeral procession behind her window mother, stating he had found consolation in that.[3]

Kubizek claims that, "Stefanie had no idea how deeply Adolf was in love with her; she regarded him as a somewhat shy, but nevertheless remarkably tenacious and faithful, admirer. When she responded with a smile to his inquiring glance, he was happy and his mood became unlike anything I had ever observed in him. But when Stefanie, as happened just as often, coldly ignored his gaze, he was crushed and ready to destroy himself and the whole world."[3]

Hitler finally stated he planned to kidnap Stefanie and kill both her and himself by jumping off a bridge into the Danube.[2][6] Instead he moved to Vienna, where an idealised image of Stefanie became his moral touchstone.[7][2]

Stefanie stated in later interviews that she was unaware of Hitler at the time, but that she had received an anonymous love letter asking her to wait for him to graduate and then to marry him, which she only realised after being questioned about him, must have been from Hitler.[7] She recalled:

→ Make this one paragraph instead of splitting it off into small bits.

Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • lived in → she lived in
Done. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Little is known about her overall life. → It's a bit odd that you've placed this mid-sentence and not at the end of the section.
Agreed; moved. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Outcome

I think there is too much usage of the block quote with the large quotation marks. Three in an article this short is too much. Also, could the Adolf Hitler template not be added to the bottom of the article, and she included in it? This article is a bit of stub at the moment. Other than that, on hold for 7 days.  — ₳aron 17:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Calvin999, I agree with the block quotes; have omitted the marks of two and also added her to the Hitler template as well as added the template to the bottom of this page. Thank you so much for your thorough review and helpful comments, I've responded and made edits accordingly. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Passing.  — ₳aron 12:57, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Later life

This website[1] has a scan from a German or Austrian newspaper where she is said to be still alive at age 85 and living in Vienna, which musta been in 1972. The scan also has a photo of her at age 85. Also, Kubizek's book was not "heavily edited" during the Nazi era, as his memoirs that the Nazis asked him about never came to be prior to 1945. In the pretext to his 1954 book, he writes that he didn't begin to write it down prior to the early 1950s. The only thing that the Daily Mail can be used as a source for is the statement that it has been published in many languages. --79.242.222.168 (talk) 16:52, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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