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Thanks, I look forward to contributing further. Sorry but I'm not sure how to put my comment into your page nicely, so... here it is. --Alveo 16:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Harbourcoat
Thanks for the welcome :-) Harbourcoat 12:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Ah thanks for telling me and reverting the edit. I need to slow down using VandalProof. :( --Andeh 17:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip on Wood County Townships, sorry I didn't do that earlier. Appreciate the help. Frank12 17:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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Do these schools deserve articles on wikipedia?
" If the articles are serious (do not contain insults to teachers etc.), nobody can get them deleted." Mate I haven't studied in either of the two schools and the last time I was a high schooler was more than six years ago. Anyway how's your new job treating you? Unitedroad 13:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Well I need your help again.........if these articles somehow land up in AFD and if you are convinced about their quality then will you back them in the votes? I could really do with your help with that mate. :)
Unitedroad 13:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Castes and Tribes of the Punjab
Hi. I am asking your opinion on this festering dispute that has developed between myself and Satbir Singh since the past few days.
The facts of the matter are like this:
I created a template called Castes and Tribes of the Punjab with a view to studying the caste and tribal groups that exist in what was the ancient Punjab region (Punjab (Pakistan), Punjab (India), Haryana and Himachal Pradesh). My intention, unlike any Ibbetsons, Todds or Cunninghams was to study these groups from a purely anthropological perspective sans any controversy so that people visiting this portal would get to know about the huge mosaic that my province (I am a Punjabi) is.
I started with a few groups. But soon enough the groups began to increase. For the sake of brevity, I grouped them under Categories. As the template evolved, I learnt not to name any category speculatively.
The final categories were:
Brahmin groups. Dalit groups. Jat clans. Khatris and other groups. Rajput clans. Shaikhs and other groups. Tarkhans and other groups. Others (groups to which i could not attribute any specific status). In the last (Others), I also included groups such as Kamboj, Khasa, Ahir and Gujjar. However, Satbir Singh separated them and bunched them under a new category called "Surviving Ancient Kshatriya Tribes".
Since that day, a revert war has been on between the two of us. According to Satbir, these groups such as the Ahirs (the ancient Abhiras), the Gujjars (Gurjaras), the Khas (the Khasas), the Kamboj (Kambojas) and Yadav (Yadavas) are ancient Kshatriya tribes mentioned in a number of ancient Sanskrit texts.
My own personal opinion is that all this is true. However, some points must be noted:
The Varna System is a topic subject to a lot of controversy and dispute. I have been noticing this in recent weeks. Pages such as Khatri, Rajput, Kayastha and Bhumihar have been vandalised because many people don't agree with the Varna status of these groups. If the Ahirs, the Gujjars, the Khasaa, the Kambojas and the Yadavas are Kshatriya groups, then so are the Rajputs, Jats, Khatris, Tarkhans et al. I did not create a category entitled "Kshatriya groups" in the first place because I knew I was treading on soft ground. All the above mentioned castes claim Kshatriya status. But we all know, how disputable these claims are. The rigmarole that is the Varna System is known to us all. For example, the Jats, who in the Vedic and Mythological periods were workers should be placed in the Shudra Category under the Varna System. But many Jats clans consider themselves the equal and perhaps the superior of Rajputs as adhrents of Kshatriya Dharma. My own caste, the Khatris and related groups such as Aroras claim Kshatriya status. But we have seen on the Khatri page as to what became of that claim. Ahirs, Gujjars and Yadavs are considered to be OBCs in most Indian states inspite of their being the descendants of ancient Abhiras, Gurjaras and Yadus. There is a controversy raging on the Yadav page presently if I am not wrong, on the status of the caste. Taking all these points into consideration and being aware of the fact that there are users (say Sanjay Mohan and Holywarrior, who have caused great disputes on various caste pages, I proposed categories such as "Kambojs and related groups" (Kamboj, Kamboja, Kamboh and Khasa) and "Gujjars and realted groups" (Ahirs, Gujjars, Dhangars and Bakarwals). But Satbir Singh and another user named Sze cavalry01 objected to it. They returned to "Ancient Kshatriya Tribes". I did a little compromise by making it "Ancient Warrior Tribes", which I later realised would also be POV. Therefore, I changed it to just "Ancient Tribes" - A completely unspeculative term.
However, Satbir Singh does not agree. He calls it a "gross suppression of known historical facts", "a crime against history" and "a political agenda" and has termed me a "Vandal". I have put forward my points. But both of us are yet to agree.
I have fighting a revert war with him for almost a week now. Have a look at the template's history page and Satbir Singh's talk page to get a complete idea of the whole fracas.
This fight has become downright silly. I surely don't expect myself to spend my time, money and energy on such a silly matter. And I am sure neither does the other party.
As of now, Administrator Shresth has protected the page on my request. He has also asked that the dispute be discussed on the talk page of the template and a consensus be reached. Yourself and anybody else you know who has an interest in the Punjab, please come and express your opinion on the talk page. Even if the Punjab is not your area of interest, this template is still an NPOV dispute. So please express your thoughts on the talk page.
Regards. Rajatjghai 19:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The Exceptional Newcomer Award
Just a quick thank you for giving me this award. It is greatly appreciated. Dipics 21:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Plz fix the Votebank case too.
Thanks for fixing the problem in Lalu Prasad Yadav.I think you are familiar with Vote Bank problem too.I would like to see you interfering there as admin intervention is desirable in this case.I am withdrawing from rv,redirect,move and abuse war with user:Gamesmasterg9 and leave it upto you to decide,as you are both familiar with the topic and problem and have admin powers too.I assure you to abide by your verdict.Thanks.Holy | Warrior 10:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Green's Hotel
Dear Utcursch,
I do not know whether the following information would interest you and whether you would act on it or not, but I am nevertheless providing it in the hope that it will be of use to you:
There used to be a Green's Hotel at the Apollo Bunder, which was purchased by the Taj Mahal Hotel, demolished and in its place the present Taj Mahal Intercontinental Hotel constructed.
The present Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal_Palace_&_Tower) follows the Taj Hotel's website in confounding the two distinct buildings, built at different times and in different architectural designs as the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower, with 'Tower' refering to the Intercontinental. This may do for the Taj itself, which has administratively merged these two into one, but not from the historical viewpoint.
I do not know whether Green's has much claim to fame, except that it was the place where, at the instigation of Jawaharlal Nehru, and funded by the Kamani Group of Companies, a small group of pro-Indian Goans (largely employees of the Indian state and communists) assembled and formed the Goan Liberation Council demanding that Portugal cede Goa to India, in the 1950s.
Compare these two photographs. You will notice in the older, that where the Intercontinental presently stands, there is a low, three storey building. This is Green's Hotel.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GatewayIndia.jpg Present pic
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gateway-of-India-2.jpg Pld pic with Green's hotel
I suggest that the Taj Mahal hotel page be bifurcated to refer individually to both the older Taj Mahal Hotel and to the Intercontinental. By the way, the Taj Mahal hotel entry should mention the following facts:
- The side of the hotel seen from the harbor is actually it's REAR. The front faces away to the west. There is a widespread misconception that the architects' building plans were confused by the builder so that he built it facing away from the harbor. However, this is false, as the hotel was deliberately built facing inland rather than to the harbor. This was probably a deliberate snub to the English king by Tata due to nationalist feelings. Over the last five decades, the old front is not longer being used for access, is closed off, and access is now from the seaside former rear.
Additonally, Regarding your gallery at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Utcursch/gallery
- The 9 picture is of the Salesians of Don Bosco's "Church of Mary, Help of Christians" (Maria Auxilatrix) and not, as you have styled it, "Church of Mary of Christians".
- The 10th picture of the Gateway and Taj is before the construction of the Taj Intercontinental Hotel, also called the "Taj Tower", on the site of the former Green's Hotel. You can see Green's Hotel as a small building in between the Gateway and the Taj Mahal Hotel.
- Pictures 13 & 14, of Angami tribals, should mention that the Angami are a Naga tribe. It becomes confusing when you mention, on pictures 15-19 that the subjects are 'Nagas', but as Angami for 13 & 14; people may jump to the conclusion that Naga and Angami are two distinct peoples!
61.246.204.115 08:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Taj Mahal Hotel
Dear Utcursch,
I have been twice a member, and my experience is not good (Last here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WikiSceptic). I have a low threshold for nonsense which is why I have decided that it is better for my sanity to quit.
As for citations:
- I have, somewhere with me, a Taj Mahal Hotel brochure, which gives this information (about orientation); I will have to really search to find it. You can, however, write to the Taj and ask them for confirmation. If you look at the Wikimapia for the Taj (http://wikimapia.org/#y=18921369&x=72832929&z=17&l=0&m=a), you will see it's true orientation. The swimming pool must have been installed much later. (If push comes to shove, I will certainly dig out the Taj publication that is my source).
- Green's Hotel: This information was given to me by way of anecdotes by an elderly gentleman who used to frequent the Green's Hotel. Also a Goan, he did not support or participate in the Goan Liberation Council's activities. However, you should be able to confirm this information also with the Taj.
I see that despite apparently being a non-Christian, you are deeply interested in the Salesians. You have pictures I would envy you for their possession. Why don't you create a page on Salesian Mission history in India, incorporating these pictures?
Besides the lovely pic of St. John Bosco at his writing table, and of his home at Beschi, I like the Lay Catechist at work pict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catechism-Madras_Presidency_Village.jpg) very much. It would be great to have the exact date. I would like that, as I am a "Traditionalist" who does not accept the Vatican II Reform, and my young friends from Tamil Nadu from the movement would appreciate this picture.
Kind regards,
61.246.204.115 16:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Dear Utcursch,
- I have found the Taj Mahal Magazine in which the above information is provided. It's name is "Taj", and it is Vol. 32, No. 3, 3rd Quarter 2003. The Editor is Fatma R. Zakaria, and the email is taj.magazine@tajhotels.com.
- On page 46, there is a larger than postcard size photo of the structure that stood at the Apollo Pier before the Gateway was built in its place. The photo clearly shows that where the Taj Hotel & Tower stands today, there was a dock!
- Page 47 has a photo of the Taj from its former front, with a garden where the swimming pool is. Throughout the book, several authors mention the fact that the real front of the Taj faces into the city, not to the waterfront.
- Page 58 has a postcard size photo of the former Green's Hotel, which is identified in the magazine and in the caption of this picture as such; however, a legend on the picture itself informs us that this is the "Green's Mansion, Bombay".
- I would prefer that you write to the Taj Magazine and ask for these pictures than that I should scan them from the magazine.
- Regards,
- WikiSceptic (detoxified_goan@freegoa.com)
Thanks for the barnstar!
Thank you. Most unexpected and most appreciated. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
atheism wikiproject
HI Utcursch/archive, I nabbed this nifty info box from the Digimon wikiproject, we could turn it into a good tool. Right now it has digimon stuff on it, but that can give us ideas, and help us out. Heres the template: [[1]]. If you could tell as many people as possible, that would be great. Perhaps we could replace the existing one at some point. Somerset219 08:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
NITYA SEVA Link
Namaste´, why did you delete the link http://www.nityaseva.privat.t-online.de on the Bhopal side? NITYA SEVA SOCIETY was founded in Bhopal. It runs two children´s homes for street-, slum- and platform children. The association is well known and receives international support and help from many Bhopal people [2] [3] Would you be so kind and add the link again. Thanking you. Have a nice day. Regards, Claus D. von der Fink NITYA SEVA 11.52, 24 August 2006
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