Talk:Hell's Kitchen (American TV series)

Contestant Progress Sections

The differences between various seasons of Hell's Kitchen are difficult to keep consistent. In addition there are varying opinions as to the choices for colors, footnotes, and content for the cell. This RFC is for the express purpose of developing a preferred style for the contestant progress section on seasons of the series prior to a refactoring of the content. Hasteur (talk) 03:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

My personal opinion is for the following:

• Footnotes: "Red to Blue" team switch, "Blue to Red" team switch
• Colors: 4 colors representing Team Nominated, Ramsay nominated, Voluntary removal, Eliminated

I still am unsure as to the best choice for what the text box should read. but am willing to hear good ideas. Hasteur (talk) 03:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I would argue that team switching has little to no impact on the tone of the show. It happens each season and I cannot see the consequence. Also, without a history there is no way to accurately represent the various switches that is any more compact than simply presenting it in the summary. Padillah (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I argue that, since no one has commented on this we make the changes. I am proposing the following:

• No footnotes. This clutters the grid and makes the reader spend time deciphering the results. That's not summary.
• 4 colors - Team Nominated, Ramsay nominated, Voluntary removal, Eliminated. The rest calls for reading the legend and deciphering. Not summary style.

This has been in RfC for weeks but since this is a new notification I will let this stand for one more week. If there are no objections I will begin making the changes to the current season and regress backward. Padillah (talk) 18:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Only point of contention I see is the Text for the progress sections? I'm thinking "Win","Loose","BoB","BoW","Other". Other being used for cases like being ill and not participating in dinner service or in elimination (ex. Bobby in S5) or other cases where they were not part of the dinner service and not dealt with during elimination. You ok with that? In addition RfCs are supposed to last 30 days before implementing a consensus. Hasteur (talk) 18:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Nope, no problems with the texts you proposed. They are simple and if you can read you don't need to decipher them. And thanks for the elucidation on the RfC timeframe. This is something I've been wanting to clean up for years and now that it seems I can I'm getting impatient. 30 days it is, then. Padillah (talk) 13:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I see all of the seasons' articles added unrelated colors (cornflower blue, white, etc.) and was done by IP editor from Dunedin, Florida. Can someone revert it back due to unconscious edits? ApprenticeFan ^work 09:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help. I try but there are more of "them" than there are of me. Your contribution is very appreciated. Padillah (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

The new color for the winner in every season of Hell's Kitchen is now limegreen makes less brighter, as the same as other reality TV series articles. ApprenticeFan ^work 08:24, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

While I was copyediting Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 8), I've tweaked the legend for the progress table to list what WIN, LOSE, BoB, etc. mean, and then the eliminations and nominations in a more sensible manner. Please take a look and see if it makes sense to implement across the board. It can also be reworded to say "contestant was eliminated after being nominated". -AngusWOOF (talk) 04:24, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Ukrainian hell's kitchen

Already 10th season ended... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.249.172.190 (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. DrKiernan (talk) 18:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) Season 11

I was editing the page for Hell's Kitchen and now somehow the entire page is deleted due to a conflict with another editor. Can someone fix this please? Revan46 02:06, 12 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revan46 (talk • contribs)

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• Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) → Hell's Kitchen (U.S. TV series)
• Hell's Kitchen (UK) → Hell's Kitchen (UK TV series)

– standard disambiguation for TV series. Also "U.S." is ambiguous, since there's a famous neighborhood in the USofA called "Hell's Kitchen", therefore "Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) should redirect to the disambiguation page. 76.65.128.43 (talk) 09:13, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

• No location you want to move the UK version to is already a redirect to the base name. There's already a disambiguation page to clarify the various names. Not seeing the benefit of moving the names yet again. Hasteur (talk) 13:51, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment that a redirect exists is not material to the rename. WP:NC-TV says we should use these disambiguation titles. That a disambiguation page exists does not mean that the US page isn't ambiguous. Indeed, the neighborhood in the US should be the target of anything called "Hell's Kitchen (U.S.)" or the disambiguation page, since the TV show obviously isn't the primary topic, and the neighborhood is the top link on the disambiguation page. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 01:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support disambiguation in parentheses as the obvious thing to assist readers-in-search. But U dot S dot, now deprecated by the Chicago Manual of Style, is uncomfortable (and of course, unattractive visually, which is why CMOS reversed its advice) next to UK TV series. Why not US TV series? Tony (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, are we finally going to try to get rid of this? I've always found the dots unnecessary, and Wikipedia's prescription thereof pedantic. --BDD (talk) 18:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

The standard convention is to use "U.S." and a change in that would require a much broader discussion than this move discussion. Absent that, "(U.S. TV series)" should be used here as the disambiguation parenthetical. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support per Tony. U dot S is unambigious and "TV series" article is totally applied. The current article will likely redirect to Hell's Kitchen disambiguation page. ApprenticeFan ^work 05:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support the inclusion of "TV series" in the disambiguation parentheticals. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support both moves. In regards to "U.S." vs "US", I dunno if there are other shows that have similar breakouts that we can compare again. ("The OFfice" and "Top Gear" come to mind, both use "U.S." and "UK" but those are only 2 that come to mind). --MASEM (t) 06:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

It is common practice to keep the periods for "U.S." but to omit them for "UK". Rreagan007 (talk) 19:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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Season 9 & 10 release dates

i dont know how to add it so hopefully someone with knowledge of how to add with the new beta editing system can put it in. season 9 was released in Canada on August 27th, 2013 an will be released in the US in September 10th season 10 will be released on October 1st in the US, but im not sure about the Canada release, it might have been released with season 9. source

Season 11 winner denied on taking position as head chef

I should be added on Ja'Nel Witt's winning victory in seasons section, but the note could be added that she had having a failed drug test and lost the position there as head chef in Las Vegas, but here's the Daily Mail web link: Hell's Kitchen winner Ja'Nel Witt loses Las Vegas head chef job after 'failing drug test' (but keeps $250k salary) ApprenticeFan ^work 13:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Color keys for contestant progress

I've been trying to reorganize the legend description to go with the Contestant progress but someone keeps reverting this without explanation. Is something wrong with replacing "eliminated by Chef Ramsay" to "eliminated"? Who else would eliminate contestants if they don't eliminate themselves. And why no explanation of "WIN" or "BoB"? I also removed Chef from Chef Ramsay per WP:SURNAME. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Old scheme

You can see this in action on Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 12)

Color key

  Contestant was eliminated

  Contestant was nominated and eliminated by Chef Ramsay

  Contestant was not nominated but was eliminated by Chef Ramsay

  Contestant was on the winning team but was eliminated by Chef Ramsay

  Contestant was eliminated during service

  Contestant voluntarily left the competition

  Contestant was nominated for elimination

  Contestant was nominated for elimination by Chef Ramsay

  Contestant was nominated by their team but not called forward by Chef Ramsay

  The winner of Hell's Kitchen

  The runner-up of Hell's Kitchen

New scheme

You can see this in action on Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 8)

Keywords

• WIN = Won the dinner service
• LOSE = Lost the dinner service
• BoB = Best of the Best, usually exempt from nomination
• BoW = Best of the Worst, sometimes exempt from nomination
• IN = not nominated for elimination (black team only)

• NOM = nominated for elimination

• OUT = eliminated
• LEFT = withdrew
• SICK = withdrew for health reasons

Color key

  Contestant was eliminated after nomination

  Contestant was eliminated after nomination by Ramsay

  Contestant was eliminated without nomination

  Contestant was eliminated from a winning team

  Contestant was fired during service

  Contestant withdrew

  Contestant withdrew for health reasons

  Contestant was retained after nomination

  Contestant was retained after nomination by Ramsay

  Contestant was not called by Ramsay after nomination

  The winner of Hell's Kitchen

  The runner-up of Hell's Kitchen

I don't rally see a problem with what you've been doing. I had a similar problem at America's Next Top Model. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Chefs clothes

Apart from the chef's jackets, were the shirts, trousers, socks and shoes their's or were they given to them. Wonderwizard (talk) 13:59, May 23 2014 (UTC)

Spoiler in lead paragraph, not necessary

I am watching season 12, randomly. I wasn't sure what the current season is, so I checked, and the lead paragraph has a spoiler for what I haven't seen yet. I've edited that detail out, unless anyone can make a good case for why it *needs* to be in the article lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.90.35 (talk) 19:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Based on looking at the article history and other reality show pages it seems like the current winner isn't mentioned and as such feel like it doesn't need to be in the lead. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 19:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

@75.119.90.35: Please note that removal of content that you consider to be a spoiler is inappropriate per WP:SPOILER. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Best of the *Best* had meaning?

In Seasons 1-4, if the Blue team beat the Red team and Carol was designated "Best of the Worst" then Carol selected who the Red team put up. This represented a Decision by Ramsey that *meant* something. OTOH, if Jim in the same week was "Best of the Best" did that actually *mean* something in the reward or elsewhere in that episode *or* next?Naraht (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Different James Avery...

Just in case it comes up again on this page (or on Season 11). The James Avery who was the father in French Prince of Belair died within the last year, but this is not the Sous Chef on the show.Naraht (talk) 13:14, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully that clears up why 68.192.22.183 has been changing the blue team sous chefs.[1][2] --AussieLegend (✉) 13:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Contestant progress tables

See also: User talk:AussieLegend § Hell's Kitchen Transclusion

Several months ago, AngusWOOF did some work changing colour keys for the "contestant progress" tables in each season article (see the discussion above for more detail), making the keys in each article more consistent and more MOS:ACCESS compliant. However, the keys are being modified and inconsistencies are creeping in. The edits are also not considering requirements of MOS:ACCESS, the most relevant of which is MOS:COLOR, which requires that "color is not the only method used to convey important information. Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method such as an accessible symbol matched to a legend, or footnote labels." There has also been a fairly consistent inclusion of "BoW" and "BoB" which are terms that are not used on-screen and are, for the most part, original research, especially in later seasons. While working on List of Hell's Kitchen episodes, I was approached on my talk page with a suggestion about creating a template that would allow the table key to be transcluded onto each season page. The suggestion had merit, as this ensures consistency between articles and is easy to manage to ensure that non-MOS:COLOR compliant edits an OR does not creep into this table. To this end I have created Template:Hkcpt based on the suggestions given in the discussion, and have tested it at Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 1) and Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 2). This is not necessarily a final version. In order to minimise the number of notes used, it may be necessary to make some modifications, balancing the number of footnotes against the size of the colour key. Comments from other editors would be greatly appreciated to this end. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Just an update to the above, I've continued working on this in my sand box, progressively modifying the tables for each season. As of now, I've completed up to and including season 7, and am about to start on season 8. The modified tables may be seen here. --AussieLegend (✉) 09:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this. The tables look a lot cleaner now and the keys should satisfy MOS:ACCESS. The "nominated by Ramsay" footnotes look good where they are as well. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I think the "nominated by Ramsay" footnotes provide more encyclopaedic treatment as well, as it's easier to identify the exact number of chefs nominated by him. We still need to go through the articles and resolve the BoB/BoW issue.

Hell's Kitchen renewed for 15th and 16th seasons.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/hells-kitchen/2-more-seasons-of-hells-kitchen-are-coming/10152666164601478

On December 17th, Hell's Kitchen's official Facebook page announced that Hell's Kitchen was renewed for 15th and 16th seasons. Should that be noted or is it too far in advance?

JCW555 (talk) 00:12, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

All contestants

What exactly is the point of this table? All it does is list contestants without any explanation of why it is doing so. The winners and runner-ups are already listed in the table in the "Seasons" section. All of the contestants are listed in the individual season articles, so what does the table give us that isn't already somewhere else. It seems to be a table added for the sake of adding a table. @HULIANTERRA and Marchusl:, I'd especially like your rationale behind the inclusion of the table. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait for an answer. I completely forgot about the fact that the winners and runner-ups were displayed under seasons so I thought that it would have been convenient to have a table that displayed the contestants and see how they placed from each of their seasons (That was the reason I added it in again after it was removed) Though I can see there is some may be some irrelevance having the wWinner and Runner-ups standing there both times both in seasons and all contestants also that the other contestants might not be note worthy engugh. Marchusl (talk) 18:51, 25 December 2014 (CET)

The table is not necessary. The winners and runners-up are already listed along with their prizes in the existing table. Team positions can change within a series. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Hell's Kitchen Season 14 Contestants Announced!

https://www.facebook.com/notes/10152801006136478/ JCW555 (talk) 00:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

"Reason for winning"

"Reason for winning"...is this column really necessary in the winners' table? It's nothing but trivia and quite frankly borders on original research territory. If no one has any objections, I'm just going to get rid of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.59.57 (talk) 14:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I *think* that at least for the earlier seasons that it comes from a book that was at some level of officialness. The reference is fouled up I think, but ultimately comes from a book by Perkins, Jr., Arthur E. (2011). So not OR for the earlier ones, whether it is Trivia is a different story.Naraht (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

In later seasons the reason comes from Ramsay's own on-screen comments, so there should be no OR. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Season 15 starts on 15 January 2016!

Season 15 starts on 15 January 2016 - as confirmed here; [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.51.229 (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Use of Official Hell's Kitchen Facebook page to verify 18 contestants?

As I understand WP:RS, it does not require that the source be accessible. If Hell's kitchen put out a book that contained that information, as long as it *could* be accessed by someone who owned the book, it would be accepted.Naraht (talk) 21:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Are you talking about a book or Facebook? A Facebook post would have to be accessible by the public at some point. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

No, not true. See, for example WP:PAYWALL. As long as someone with the proper login for FB can see the post, then its a potentially valid source even if the public at large can't see it. --MASEM (t) 22:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Right, that would just have a "registration required" tag. It's the stuff that looks more like private messaging and wall posts that get deleted before everything is properly documented and archived where it gets complicated. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:15, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

The 18 contestants are listed on Fox's Hell's Kitchen site, so the Facebook posts wouldn't be needed. (http://www.fox.com/hells-kitchen/article/18-aspiring-chefs-battle-in-hells-kitchen) JCW555 (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Cool, we add/replace the facebook one...Naraht (talk) 22:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, we need a season 15 article first ;) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:21, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Run-on sentence in the lead

Hello.. As I'm looking over the first paragraph of this page I find this sentence: "For the first time since season 10, Hell's Kitchen had a 9 ET/8 CT timeslot starting Tuesday, May 26, 2015, due to the revival of the series Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader? taking its spot at 8/7c.[4] Season 15 premiered on January 15, 2016;[5] initially broadcasting Friday nights at 9 p.m. ET/PT, Hell's Kitchen briefly moved to Wednesdays on January 27, 2016, also at 9 p.m. ET/PT, in a swap with Second Chance, a drama that was experiencing poor ratings in its Wednesday time slot" to be a tad redundant, and unnecessary. Why is the shows airing time relevant? Perhaps this information would be relevant somewhere on the wiki page, but I really don't think it belongs in the introduction. Thoughts??? --Eglavina (talk) 00:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't. The lead is supposed to summarise significant points in the article and the time is not significant enough to include, especially in so much detail. I've removed all but the relevant, significant information,[4] but that was what made up most of the lead, which does an exceptionally poor job of summarising the article. I have tagged the article accordingly.[5] --AussieLegend (✉) 01:02, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Gordon Ramsay inadvertently confirming season 19?

Hello everyone. On this Facebook video here (https://www.facebook.com/gordonramsay/videos/1460778983945361/), Gordon Ramsay says "nineteen seasons of Hell's Kitchen". Did Gordon inadvertently confirm that confirm season 19 is happening, or is it too loose a source to be put on the wiki? Would love to hear your thoughts. JCW555 (talk) 00:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

JCW555 That is too loose of a source. Even if he did mean that a nineteenth season has been filmed, Gordon Ramsay can't confirm that it will actually air. We should wait for a better source. 74thClarkBarHG (talk) 09:37, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Season 17 - starts airing 29th. of September 2017!

Season 17 has been confirmed as starting to be aired on 29 September 2017. - (119.224.80.18 (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC))