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Djwebb79 (talk) 18:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Polemicist?

Anyone got any opinions on describing Coulter as a polemicist? We already mentioned in the lead that she has described herself as this. I moved the word into the first sentence with the summary "She describes herself as a polemicist, and I don't think anyone would disagree. This is a very good description of her, so I think it should go in the first sentence." This was reverted by Peter Gulutzan with the summary "Why we would throw out "writer" and add a word she used 15 years ago in the lead, I don't see."

I don't have strong opinions either way. I just thought, as I said, that it was a very good description of her, and so worth putting in the first sentence. Perhaps we should discuss it here. I am happy to go with the consensus, either way.

Yaris678 (talk) 15:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the edit by Yaris678 did not merely add "polemicist" to the first sentence, it removed "writer" etc. However Yaris678 is correct that "polemicist" was in the lead previously (in the third paragraph), I should have acknowledged that. Well, we'll see if others care. Incidentally the cite for "polemicist" is to a second-hand possibly-not-notable source, the original statement was in: publisher = The Sunday Times, date = July 7 2002; title = Right's avenging diva in US book coup; Author = Sarah Baxter. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good point about "writer". I was thinking that "syndicated columnist" covered this, but she has also written several books. I'd be happy to come up with a version that includes that too. But let's see if anyone else has an opinion on when we should mention "polemicist". Yaris678 (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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when does the objectivity begin?

An interesting collection of Coulter trivia, but not really much of a WP article. For instance, Coulter's claims are left as fact, rather than meeting any sort of explanatory balance. Easy target: LGBT conservatism, where she told gay Republican Taylor Garrett that "The gays have got to be pro-life," and "As soon as they find the gay gene, guess who the liberal yuppies are gonna start aborting?" She claims it, WP repeats it, & suddenly absurdity is Truth.

While I'm there, I note there's frequent lapse of simple English: She … opposes transgender individuals to use bathroom usage.

Someone else's project; I don't even know where I'd begin.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 19:13, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An excellent example of where NPV fails

This entry on Ann Coulter shows the terrible consequences of tit-for-tat editing by Coulter's fans and critics - a 9,300-word, barely coherent mish-mash of why each Wikipedia contributor loathes or loves Coulter. Contrast this entry with Wikipedia's 8,500-word lovefest for Stephen Colbert, cited as a "media and drama good article" despite nary a mention of his recent scandalous "c**k holster" comment.

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I never cease to be amazed at (1) the constant challenges that Wikipedia faces in dealing with a myriad of such issues and (2) how problems such as this are not far more prevalent - testimony to the robustness of the Wikipedia concept, I suppose.

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The list under 2.2 Columns seems outdated, and the description of the websites is inaccurate.

It seems like Coulter hasn't been published by Jewish World Review since 2015 1. She is however now published by American Renaissance 1.

Suggestion: Remove "Jewish World Review" and replace it with "American Renaissance" (with the appropriate inter-wiki link).

Regarding the description: Some of the websites are clearly conservative, but WND and FrontPage Mag are likely better described as far-right (see for example their Wikipedia entry), and VDARE and American Renaissance are clearly white supremacist.

A change likely requires some consensus building, but I think that it is unacceptable to lump these different ideologies under the same incorrect "conservative" label. A temporary measure would be to simply remove "conservative" from the phrase "six conservative websites". Zukorrom (talk) 16:49, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]