Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 6

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December 6

Category:Atheist socialists

Propose deleting Category:Atheist socialists - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: The category violates WP:CAT/EGRS as subjects' irreligiosity is not relevant to their socialism. This is distinct from, e.g., Category:Christian socialists as that category is for subjects who are in the Christian socialist tradition (a particular type of socialism), not just for anyone who is both Christian and socialistic. 142.160.131.202 (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

comment I am inclined to support this; however it seems to me that Category:Jewish socialists is probabloy more egregious, along the same lines. Mangoe (talk) 23:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The various Jewish categories are a problem from the point of view of categorisation by religion, because they are also categorisation by ethnicity - as such they tend to stay in circumstances such as this. Grutness...wha? 23:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mangoe: I'm afraid that I'm not familiar enough with Jewish socialism (see Jewish left) to have a fully formed opinion as to whether Jewish socialism can be viewed as a variety of socialism in the same way that Christian socialism is, but if not, surely that's a separate discussion, no? (Though if it is, Category:Jewish socialists probably oughtn't include just anyone who is both a Jew and a socialist.) 142.160.131.202 (talk) 01:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that there is such a thing, indeed the point is that there isn't; but there is a trope of "international Jewish conspiracy" talk which specifically manifests itself in Jewish Bolshevism— blaming the communists on the Jews. I'm wary of a category which says "see how many Jews are involved in this?" Mangoe (talk) 15:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mangoe: Fair argument (though bear in mind that socialism does not necessarily equal communism), but how is that pertinent to what should be done with Category:Atheist socialists? Is it fair to say that you support the proposal? 142.160.131.202 (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete One's religious and political beliefs do not necessarily align, and I see little relevance between atheism and socialism. Dimadick (talk) 11:26, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Delete - as it is yet another category created by a sockpuppet of User:JP8077. Inter&anthro (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think a hierarchy like this can work. Is it bad, if I want to search for persons of a certain religious position and a certain political orientation? Why should I not be able to use categories for that matter, thats one of their purposes. CN1 (talk) 10:14, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films set in a fictional locations

Propose renaming Category:Films set in a fictional locations to Category:Films set in a fictional location

Nominator's rationale: Gross and blatant grammatical error. However, the parent is Category:Works set in fictional locations while one subcategory is called Category:Films set in a fictional country. Which one is the right name, and would this require any more nominations? 165.91.12.97 (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into its parent. The "...in fiction locations" names are more inclusive and make more sense. Grutness...wha? 23:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this tree should be heavily purged, the setting in "any" fictional location is not a defining characteristic of a film and "any" fictional places in different films have nothing in common with each other. Real places in films are defining, while fictional places is a matter of WP:OCMISC unless multiple films are set in the same fictional location. In the end only Category:Middle-earth films, Category:Films set in Atlantis, Category:Treasure Island films, and perhaps one or two other subcats, may be kept together in a container category. Other subcategories like Category:Films set in a fictional African country‎ should simply be merged to Category:Films set in Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People banned from entering the European Union

Propose deleting Category:People banned from entering the European Union - Template:Lc1
Propose deleting Category:People banned from entering the United Kingdom‎
Propose deleting Category:People banned from entering the United States‎
Propose deleting Category:People banned from entering Ukraine‎
Propose deleting Category:People denied entry to Israel‎

Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING - e.g. that Steve Rosenberg was banned from Ukraine for 1 day. Note: Lists may be appropriate (e.g. List of people banned from entering the United Kingdom). Previous discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_November_27#Category:People_banned_from_entering_China DexDor^(talk) 06:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom and I had noted the confusions and undecided criteria of these categories. @Mangoe: who had participated on China's CFD. Capitals00 (talk) 14:25, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

delete all as non-defining. Mangoe (talk) 15:45, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Most of the articles I checked barely mentioned this in the body of the article, let alone the lead. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a lot of people who were banned from entering the United States, such as Narendra Modi and Tariq Ramadan not only have had their ban lifted but have visited the states multiple times since. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:01, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- This is an ephemeral non-defining issue, related to the refusal of one visa application or being turned away at the border. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Perpetual motion in fiction

Propose deleting Category:Perpetual motion in fiction - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: A very uncommon element in the fictional multiverse. Having only two articles, fails WP:SMALLCAT. 165.91.12.190 (talk) 04:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Subcategories of Category:Orgonomy

Propose merging Category:Orgone energy to Category:Orgonomy
Propose merging Category:Sex economy to Category:Orgonomy

Nominator's rationale: These topics are a wee bit too close to their parent. The latter sounds more like something about the adult industry. 165.91.12.190 (talk) 03:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support merging both. —Paleo Neonate – 16:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support should be one category instead of several. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional characters with precognition

Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters with precognition to Category:Fictional characters with extrasensory perception

Nominator's rationale: As explicitly stated in the category description, it is not limited specifically to precognition–rather, it encompasses “Fictional characters who possess [any form of] extrasensory perception”. Specific types of ESP, several of which are named in the catdesc, could be redirected, though. 165.91.13.236 (talk) 02:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Health regions of Saskatchewan

Propose deleting Category:Health regions of Saskatchewan - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: This category is obsolete. As all health regions have been replaced by a single Saskatchewan Health Authority, there would only be one entry in the category. ViperSnake151 Talk 02:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – The fact that separate regional health authorities no longer exist in Saskatchewan does not inherently mean there should no longer be articles about the defunct authorities. The category should be kept unless it is decided that the other articles should be merged into Saskatchewan Health Authority. 142.160.131.202 (talk) 22:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support These three articles would be better in Category:Health in Saskatchewan. Its not a crowded category. Rathfelder (talk) 23:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest renaming to Category:Former Health Regions of Saskatchewan if all but the provincial authority are defunct. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – per the IP !vote, just because the health regions are defunct doesn't mean that the articles will cease to exists. Inter&anthro (talk) 17:31, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest renaming to Category:Former Health Regions of Saskatchewan per Peterkingiron Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:12, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]