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Forked content

This article was started with content which was WP:UNDUE in the main biography of Narendra Modi. See the Fashion discussion on the talk page there for more information. Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:03, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is undue as a separate article also. Did you get consensus to fork this or is it, as I suspect, a POV fork? - Sitush (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush This was discussed at Talk:Narendra_Modi/Archive_13#Fashion. If you suspect a POV fork then address it as you see fit. WP:UNDUE refers to weight in a given article. If this material were in the Modi article then it would be undue. I am here to talk through any concerns you have. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Modi's suit

The fabric for Modi's pin-striped suit was a gift. I will add some details and citations soon. Malaiya (talk) 02:50, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Problem?

Indianelectron What do you see about this article which is controversial? Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]


COI

added COI because of this here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Shrikanthv (talk • contribs) 09:13, 4 November 2015

What about it? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I propose to merge Sabka Saath, Sabka Vikas into Public image of Narendra Modi. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 17:50, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold and do it. No big deal -- Y not? 03:20, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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NPOV dispute

This page contains only positive news ignoring the negative image. This page is eligible for NPOV dispute until all the views are added.--Rasulnrasul (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rasulnrasul Can you provide any sources which give the kind of criticism which you want included? Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Rasulnrasul. Its much needed, therefore I added a criticism section. Hope others can help expand and improve it. --39.57.136.218 (talk) 06:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea where Adamgerber80 has explained why something the IP added is undue, unless it is use of the deprecated section heading Criticism, but, regardless of that specific edit, there is no doubt that this article is biassed because it makes no mention of the numerous image issues Modi has faced both at home and abroad, notably his various travel bans that were only rescinded out of political expediency when he became Prime Minister. Yes, these issues are covered in the main biographical article but they do form a part of his public image and so should be here somewhere, too. - Sitush (talk) 07:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
HI Sitush I agree the article needs to add criticism of him to make it more balanced. The editor continues to add statements from Bilwal Bhutto and other random people. The question I ask his what makes Bilwal Bhutto an expert on Modi or why does his criticism matter? We should evaluate what criticism is valid here because we cannot take everybody's statement for or against Modi and add it here. Similarly, we need to evaluate the positive statements made in his favor and evaluate what is UNDUE. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 07:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that's fine, thanks. I couldn't spot where you'd said it. WP:QUOTEFARM is something to be aware of, as well as who says it. - Sitush (talk) 07:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect?

Bluerasberry, sending this to AfD makes little sense, because the notability of the topic is not in question. It's just a bad and redundant article. If you are unwilling to change this back to a redirect, I will have to remove the dodgy information; and all that will remain is a copy of the relevant section of Narendra Modi. What purpose does that serve? Vanamonde (talk) 13:22, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Vanamonde. The notability is certain to meet GNG but the article itself is useless and always has been. It arose out of a desire of some Modi supporters to retain information that was being removed at the main bio article due to its trivial and hagiographical nature. Moving it somewhere else does not alter that judgement. - Sitush (talk) 13:28, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sitush and Vanamonde93: You both were in the Fashion discussion in April 2015 saying that the information about Modi's clothing was undue for the main biographical article on them. If I understand correctly, both of you agree with all of the following statements:
  1. The information about Modi's fashion does not belong in the biography about him
  2. The information about Modi's fashion does not belong in this article, "Public image of Narendra Modi"
  3. This article, "Public image of Narendra Modi", should be blanked but not nominated for deletion
The purpose of this article is to present the information around a topic which meets WP:GNG and which you both have argued does not belong in the main biography. Sitush, I created this article but I am not sure what is here that makes you say I have a bias in any political direction. I think the fashion is important and journalists thought enough of it too to write about it. I think most of the deletions you are proposing are great but I restored the fashion deletion. If you dispute that for some reason then say why. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:40, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A short paragraph about fashion here would suffice. You are going overboard, overciting and trivialising. We're not a fashion blog. I'm surprised that you do not understand the concept of overciting, nor the concept of when to delete or not - you have been around long enough now. - Sitush (talk) 00:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sitush: I really do not understand what you are doing or your surprise. Here are your edits. Here is what you do not like in the fashion section -
  1. You delete a citation listing iconic dress which Modi has worn and describing the cultural context. What is your objection?
  2. Modi routinely wears extremely expensive clothing including a suit which auctioned for US$700,000. Why do you support leaving in that information about the price, but you oppose linking to NPR's media coverage citing it?
  3. Modi has used a particular tailor since the 1970s. This is such unusual and newsworthy behavior that it appeared in journalism. Why do you object to that statement remaining?
WP:Fashion is a part of wiki. Why minimize it? India was founded based on fashion activism when Gandhi promoted Khadi and Modi is doing politics with fashion also. Fashion communicates lots of things and lots of reliable sources publish interpretations of Modi's fashion choices. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The problem isn't that his choice of clothing is covered at all, the problem is that it's covered in far too much detail, bordering on WP:CRUFT. This is a problem with any significant politician, really, but particularly so with Modi, who has a large number of supporters swarming Wikipedia, who seem to want to add any available information about him wherever they can. The problem isn't limited to this article; every single program or policy that his government puts out has a short and badly written article about it. When I suggested moving material here, I hoped this page would turn into a decent article about his image; ie his ideology, appearance, style of functioning, speaking style, etc., all of which there's substantial real analysis about. Instead its largely fancruft, a lot of which Sitush removed yesterday, but which has still left this page bereft of substance. Which is why I suggest redirecting it. lots of reliable sources publish interpretations of Modi's fashion They do, yes, but they also publish pieces discussing how Hugh Jackman shared the stage with him in NY, and how me made a Star Wars reference in his speech. It doesn't necessarily become encyclopedic just because an RS somewhere has covered it; newspapers cover a lot of trivia. Vanamonde (talk) 04:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As I tried to explain to you above and in my edit summary when I reverted you (and also my summary when I first removed it), the NPR citation is overciting. Are you not familiar with that? We don't usually cite the same source for consecutive statements. - Sitush (talk) 05:30, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

Sitush, how is this a BLP? Isn't the main article, the BLP? Your edit summary says, "we don't usually" that means sometimes we can add a Criticism/Controversy section to such a controversial person's article. That said, what problem do you find with a clearly attributed statement made by a published author? 39.48.82.6 (talk) 05:54, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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