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Incident with Alex Jones

Hi, I feel this incident is verifiable and notable as it is covered by multiple reliable sources, with plenty of video evidence, so I have added a new sub-section. Was interested to know what editors think of the addition. Thanks. KU2018 (talk) 14:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See also Talk:The Young Turks#What about the Alex Jones confrontation? and Talk:Jimmy Dore#Incident at the RNC Trackinfo (talk) 14:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template "Denial of Mass Killings"

This template {{Denial of Mass Killings}} is for navigation between articles which topic is systematic denial of genocides etc. This aricle does not significant coverage dedicated to denial. What is more, Ujgur, changed his view already. therefore IMO template should not be placed on this article. It is placed on articles only for people notorious of this systematic denial. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He named his news network after the group that commited the Armenian genocide. And he left the Justice Democrats for things he has said in the past. Living up to those principles the template should stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:681A:B0D7:42F0:603E (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You have to provide reliable sources which discuss him in detail as a notable genocide denier and have more than a couple of sentences in the article about that. A notable denier actively works on support and propagation of the denialist theory. Merely expressing a view is not enough. By your logic, you have to put this template into articles about almost each and every Turkish official. We do not use navigational templates in this way in wikipedia. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok hypothetically lets say he named his newsnetwork after the SS and claimed the holocaust never happened, then when politically conveninent for him said that it did happen and denied ever denying it. Would you still be defending him as if he was infallable? and the things he said that made him leave the Justice Democrats were not as aggregious and he has ACTUALLY retracted what he said then but, he still left the movement meaning his principles are that if he said things like that at all it should be a mark on his record forever. In that vain the template needs to stay exactly where it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:681A:B0D7:42F0:603E (talk) 23:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, Wikipedia does not use navigation templates in this way. Your opinion abut Uygur does not matter. Please see Wikipedia:Navigation template. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And yours does? point is he denied the armenian genocide until it was politcally convenient for him not to do so and thats the only reason he backpedaled on that stance. He named his news network after the ones who carried out said genocide. If he was a republican, I am sure youd have no problem with keeping the template there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:681A:B0D7:42F0:603E (talk) 02:02, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Try and get a sense of proportion. It was just a background belief Cenk Uygur inevitably picked up as a child, an alignment with what was national policy in the country where he was born and spent his early years. In his maturity he has reevaluated and no longer holds that position. --Epipelagic (talk) 12:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And if it were Holocaust denial and he were white then thered be no problem keeping the template up. Have some consistant standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:1EC:A21A:BE6C:CD4B (talk) 17:23, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No we do not place this template on all denialist anti-Semites and Stormfront nazis. We have List of notable Holocaust deniers, and persons in this list have separate sections with encyclopedic nontrivial info about their activities in Holocaust denial. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And a man with his own news network, which may i remind you, is named after the group who carried out the armenian genocide, isnt notable how exactly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:1EC:A21A:BE6C:CD4B (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He is notable, but for other reasons; he is not described in reliable sources as a notable Holocaust denier. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Because youre shifting the goalpoast, he is not a holocaust denier he denied the Armenian Genocide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:1EC:A21A:BE6C:CD4B (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No Im not shifting goalposts; I simply made an error. I meant to write "he is not described in reliable sources as a notable Armenian Genocide denier". Staszek Lem (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
He is notable, he is described in reliable sources as a genocide denier, he is accurately categorized as an Armenian Genocide denier on this page, this page goes into detail about the subject, and his group is named after genocidal murderers. If that's not enough for you, nothing will be. -- Glynth (talk) 10:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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"progressive" is a liberal euphemism

You can call him a left-winger or globalist but a political side that likes to kill unborn babies, promoting Islam and pretends to save the environment by destroying the economy can hardly be considered a "progressive".80.131.63.131 (talk) 04:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely agree! But that's not the point of this talk page. Please keep all discussion related to the content of the article. Aglo123 (talk) 11:56, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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