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I will summarize my experiences and the material I have found on the web.

I am sorry if I violated any copyrights.

Thanks,

Ed

No Shave November

I was disappointed to find out that you had deleted the "No Shave November" article and prevented its re-creation. I didn't see much detail as to the reason why it was deleted. Earlier on October 30, someone else had deleted the same article, and the small section of the article shown on the deletion log ("'No Shave November' is an informal tradition dating back to at least the 1990s. It is a friendly, loosely structured contes...") seems accurate to me.

The person who deleted the article on October 27 claims it's "obviously a hoax article." I don't have access to the complete article, so I can't say for sure that it's accurate, but I can assure you that No Shave November really does exist. I saw it firsthand when I attended North American Baptist College (now known as Taylor University College) in Alberta, Canada in 2000, and I have a friend who is participating this year along with many of his friends in California. He has a blog about it at http://noshavenovember.blogspot.com, and a Google search for the phrase turns up results from various parts of the USA.

I'd be interested to hear why you deleted the article, and I'd like to read the deleted article if possible.

Thanks,

Alex Scheuerman Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Standing in thge rain

I thought you were marking the article for deletion, not just reverting it.  ??TotallyTempo 20:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

No Shave November

I would also be very interested in hearing the reasoning behind the deletion and protection of the No Shave November page. No Shave November is a very real activity, with hundreds of people participating every year across North America (and is demonstrated by the number and participants of www.facebook.com groups dedicated to this event, as well as other internet resources). It would be a great disservice to keep this page deleted.

Luke

Fresno, California

It's Pimpin', Pimpin'

Ok... but there are many many albums that arent released yet, and they have an article. Y cant this one have one?? Darkneonflame|(talk) 03:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wissahickon Creek

...was actually User:Bonaparte. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You Assume Too Much

Zoe,

Unfortunately you have deleted an article that I spent the better part of the last 2 hours writing because you made an assumption about the author of the article. My name is Matthew Varpness and I am the cousin of the actor Dustin Varpness. I have no professional association with him and wrote the article as a contribution to wikipedia because I have been following his work for several years. As you can see from my wikipedia history, I have made contributions on a wide range of topics. Dustin's contributions are significant enough that an article was necessary and I documented all references appropriately. You made the assumption based on my username that I am Dustin. I will attempt to reintroduce the article. Please aid me in any way you can so that I can improve my own Wikipedia skills and the pages I write.

Sincerely,

Matthew

P.S. - I just read your message to me regarding the article being insignificant. I was in the process of completing the article when it was deleted. I saved the work I had completed in case I had a computer malfunction but you deleted it way too quickly. I understand you have a lot of articles to review but in the future I would appreciate some communication before an instant deletion. It is very frustrating to have several hours of work deleted and discourages me from contributing to wikipedia in the future. I'd say from the looks of it wikipedia can use all of the quality contributors it can.

Just to comment, you know about Dustin because he is your cousin, that violates the Wikipedia guidelines for creating biographies/autobiographies. If this person is notable, you should have found out through another means, such as you saw him on TV, in a book, etc. Second, don't spend 'hours' creating one article. Just start a stub and see how it floats. If it sinks fast, no need to add to it. And if Dustin becomes famous one day, then someone other than a family member or close friend will start an article for him.65.81.27.134 05:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Zoe: George Sampson is a well-known man in the Silicon Valley.

Zoe, Please accept my humble complaint. George Sampson is a famous person in the Silicon Valley. He is part of the team of 1590 KLIVers. In fact, he is the leader of them. Please reconsider your deletion of my article located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Sampson

Hans Ekkehard Bob references

I did not write the article but someone I know, for whom english is not his mother tongue, asked me to proof read it and make spelling and grammar changes. I noticed the tag you added. I have improved the description of two of the four references that had been cited on the page for Hans Ekkehard Bob. Please let me know if these can be considered reliable sources.

I know the person who wrote most of the article interviewed Hans Ekkehard Bob (who is still alive at this time). If this can be stated in a different way please mention how, e.g. should it give interview date, etc?

For the flight simulator website I would suggest it might better belong in an external link section.

By the way, your talk page is set up nicely to leave messages. Mfields1 23:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

African-American firsts

Thanks for the head's up. I've made a clarification in the lead, and added two cite reqs based on your post, in addition to responding via blue-link source material. -- Tenebrae 21:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Indeed, we really need to have the first known African-American Major League player in here. (I'm assuming Moses Fleetwood Walker was one of but not the first, from what you wrote.) I can do a Web search, but if you know offhand and can put that in, I'll wait a few mins. It's nice to work with you! --Tenebrae 21:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Tell me what you think of this ref. for Walker, from a PBS site. I'd need to get a primary source, but do you think it's wroth pursuing, or just a truiusm? {http://www.pbs.org/cgi-registry/generic/trivia.cgi PBS page] --Tenebrae 22:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Guess one can't link directly. Go here, and scroll to bottom button that says "Play ball!" Also found this, but again, it's not a primary source or an established encyclopedia or news outlet. --Tenebrae 22:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Getting close: This article cites "Fleet Walker" as being listed in baseball encyclopedias. I don't have any in the house, but I'll try just "Fleet Walker" online now. --Tenebrae 22:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Jackpot! BaseballLibrary.com: Fleet Walker!--Tenebrae 22:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, f'cryin' out loud ... I could have just gone to Moses Fleetwood Walker! Oy! I'll add him to the list.... --Tenebrae 22:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! All started with you!--Tenebrae 18:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

S&M Man

This is a famous Rugby drinking song performed all over the world by thousands of ruggers. Why was it deleted? There is no log to explain the rationale.

There is no copyright...lyrics are public domain...

NN podcast?

Just wondering why you deleted the page for The Weekly Geek. I believe we proved our worth in being on wikipedia. What does nn podcast mean?

Du glucose pour Noémie

Please don't create empty articles. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

you're not joking, are you? they're not empty, they are quite a bit of work, some in the middle of being created, and I can't imagine that you find it productive to prohibit me from saving mid-progress. Please don't delete blindly. --Murgh 04:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Not joking in the slightest. If you can't be bothered to make a real article, create it in your user space and move it into article space when it has more than an infobox. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

but please, please, give me an opportunity to make those saves before you make irrevokably deletes. it takes me considerably longer to make these than it does to delete. isnt it customary to warn a deletion target? move the segment to a talk page?Murgh 04:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe it. on a 4 minute whim you took out 4 hours of work because why? you didnt see progress fast enough, and I dont even get to save it anywhere? what an entirely rotten thing to do!Murgh 04:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi Zoe, and thanks for your participation at the recent RfA, which did not succeed. For those of you who expressed their support, your kind words and your trust are sincerely appreciated. For those who were opposed --especially those who offered their constructive criticism-- please accept this message as assurance that equally sincere efforts, aimed at enhancing the quality and accuracy of representations within the Wikipedia, will continue. Striving for improved collaboration and consensus will also continue, with all of your insights in mind, while applying NPOV ideals as fairly and reasonably as possible. Ombudsman 04:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it is not a copyvio. same author on the two. please leave the article on wikipedia. thanks.

Notability and saliency

The criterion most often relevant to handling conflict of interest via policy and guidelines on content is notability. It is also helpful to bear in mind saliency.

There is currently no consensus on the degree of notability required to justify an article. Consensus does exist regarding particular kinds of articles; for example, see Template:IncGuide. Borderline cases are frequently nominated for deletion and discussed on WP:AFD.

Submitted material often needs to be filtered, especially if it is peripheral to an article rather than salient. It must be in line with policies on content. Even in the case of people who are demonstrably well-known, their unrealized aspirations, thoughts, and hobbies are seldom included in Wikipedia. Wikipedia's policy on verifiability prohibits the inclusion of material not already published by a reliable source. But even if we could verify Tom Cruise's favorite breakfast cereal, that is something that is typically not included in an encyclopedia. [2]

Deleting non-notable articles

Articles that make no plausible claim of notability are usually found and deleted shortly after creation under the relevant criteria for quick removals. There are two other main routes:

Those that offer some claim of notability, however remote, are usually sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Deletion of the article normally ensues. Sometimes it may be moved to the author's user-page. Where article creators are not active editors, it is usually sufficient to remove content via proposed deletion, reserving AfD for the more contentious cases. Users who lightly create articles of obvious minor interest are most likely inexperienced. If there is nothing particularly offensive about the page, please be kind to them. Before nominating such an article for deletion, try politely informing the author. Pointing to this guideline may gain consent to the deletion. In practice these PROD deletions serve well to clear frivolous articles whose authors abandon them.

Joseph Todaro Sr.

First and foremost, I've used the word alleged in speaking of Joseph Todaro Sr. and second of all I'm from Buffalo and if you take a good look I put him in a positive light compared to most other writings and bios about him. When I spoke of narcotics I mentioned the Buffalo Family's past ties and that they've dictated less time to the traffic operations, I didn't mention that throughout the 1980's and 90's that the Todaro regime was heavily involved with the Sicilian Mafia, the Montreal (Rizzuto) and Toronto (Caruana-Cuntrera) Families and New York Bonanno Family in large scale heroin and cocaine trafficking from Canada, up the East Coast to New York and Detroit, all the way to South Florida. There is a ton of informant and surveillance info on Joseph Todaro Sr. Look up the senate hearing statement of Buffalo Family informant Ron Fino who details all the Todaro Sr.'s and Jr.s direct Family ties to labor racketeering. The Buffalo news has run literally hundreds of articles on the Buffalo Family and Boss Joseph Todaro Sr. He's been called a murder suspect, drug dealer, labor racketeer, but I never mentioned any of that because the man has never been convicted of a crime and is also a good and influential community member. Holy shit, I practically advertised for LaNova in the first part! I did it more for myself anyway so delete it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Little Joe Shots (talk • contribs)

Hi Zoe, A web search indicates that the main thrust of the claims on the page are (were) supportable. And there are plenty of other wikipedia pages claiming mob connections for the guy. Can I trouble you to undelete the page and discuss your concerns at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Todaro, Sr.? Thanks, Ben Aveling 05:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Zoe, I've raised Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_November_10#Joseph_Todaro.2C_Sr.. I'd intended to wait for your response at the afd page, but User:Coredesat closed the AFD, so I've opened a DR instead. Regards, Ben Aveling 06:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello Zoe, here are some of the internet sources supporting Little Joe Shots' claims:

• Gangsters-Incorporated.tripod.com article on Buffalo crime family

Note: the Buffalo family page, the Leonard Falzone page and the Joseph Angelo Pieri page all claim the Todaro involvement in, if not running, the Buffalo LCN family

Note: Gangsters-Inc.tripod.com is in no way a source to go straight off but is a source none the less

• Mob Leaders chart on AmericanMafia.com, obviously these claims are back up by the AmericanMafia.com creator, notable true crime author, Rick Porrello, and the articles creator, one Allan May. The chart also cites the Justice Department and mafia turncoat Joseph Valachi as making the claims.
• The site Namebase.com shows that the name Joe Todaro was mentioned in the 1995 true crime book Global Mafia: The New World Order of Organized Crime by Anthonio Nicasso and Lee Lamothe.

I cannot put the link up because wikipedia have blocked the sites URL from being posted due to the site spamming wikipedia or something.

• Laborers.org article claiming Joe Todaro, Jr.'s and Leonard Falzone's involvement in organized crime related union activity.
• History of the Buffalo LCN family on AmericanMafia.com states leadership of Joe, Sr. and Joe, Jr., sources the Justice Department, FBI etc. Alexbonaro 06:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Zoe, We can't fix the page if you keep deleting it, but I take your point that it needs to be fixed before it can stay in the main article space. What I'd like to suggest to Little Joe is that we create a page under his user page, and work on it there, using the above references and whatever else we can find. If and when we get it up to a decent standard, then we page move it to article space. But I can only make that suggestion if it's OK with you. Is it? Regards, Ben Aveling. PS. Thanks for leaving the talk page intact. 06:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks. Regards, Ben Aveling 08:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

no shave november

why would you get rid of no shave november it's a tradition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.210.66 (talk • contribs)

Bryan Pata

You recently deleted Bryan Pata by nn bio, Wikipedia is not a memorial. But I think he is notable. WP:BIO states "Sportspeople/athletes/competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports or other competitive activities that are themselves considered notable, including college sports in the United States."

Bryan Pata was a member of the Miami Hurricanes. How is Bryan Pata non notable but Brady Quinn, a player in the same Division and same amateur level as Pata has an article......(not trying to start anything...but I think hes notable enough :D}Coasttocoast 06:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

We don't see every college football player ever played listed. Few if any people heard of Bryan Pata before his shooting death. I only heard about it because someone posted an obit on the Wikipedia deaths page. Brady Quinn was a Heisman candidate. If you have a compelling argument for Bryan Pata, it should be based on his accomplishments as a player, not that he was a player. → R Young {^yakł_talk} 05:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hans Ekkehard Bob references II

I was not familiar with the Wikipedia environment. Thank you for your support and help to set it up right. Nice user Talk side by the way....

Best Regards Redwulf 1 09:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Opri

What are you talking about? I added "mid-20th century" to replace "forty years ago", and added "Film" and Genetics" headers, to distinguish the sections. How is that nonsense? 206.165.137.194 05:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm trying to post information about our company because we have a unique process of creating custom longboards. I understand that their issues regarding advertising, but I dont see any harm in informing people about these unique boards. Will I be able to post the article without a link to our site?

David Allen Lambert

Greetings,

This person started an article for himself,

(cur) (last) 03:14, 30 September 2006 Davidlambert1987 (Talk | contribs)

which smacks of self-promotion. So Mr. Lambert 'discovers' one 110-year-old man, appears in the news, and now he's famous. First off, it's against Wikipedia policy to start one's own autobiography. If one is famous enough, someone else will notice.

However, I don't want to be directly involved, so I leave it to you to nominate this for deletion or not, depending on what you think. Thanks.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 05:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Allen_Lambert

Opri

Apology accepted. It may be best to revert to the previous article, remove the film synopsis, and add this link as support for the genetic portion: Sequence Diversity of the oprI Gene, Coding for Major Outer Membrane Lipoprotein I, among rRNA Group I Pseudomonads (http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/full/180/24/6551). 206.165.137.194 05:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Zoe apologized! Ring the bells!

Bubble07 01:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Skyscrapercity.com

The article on Skyscrapercity.com was requested. Besides, I see no reason whatever to speedily delete it as non-notable, because it is a notable internet forum among those that deal with the topics it deals with, having a considerable and worldwide userbase (greater and wider than that of other internet forums that already have an article). I think there are arguments to support its inclusion and notability. So I request for the article to be restored and, if you think it is appropriate, then put it on Requests for Deletion where the merits and arguments in favor of keeping or deleting it can be discussed. Uaxuctum 05:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

You can have an objective measure of this forum's notability by checking the statistics and ranking at Big Boards. Skyscrapercity currently ranks #102 among the 1,797 forums listed in the database (as a reference, the hugely popular Slashdot ranks #36 among those 1,797). Uaxuctum 07:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

"Wow", I thought moderators were supposed to be a bit more neutral when making judgements, especially when making judgements concerning speedy deletions that are not subject to the normal deletion process which would take into account the opinion of others. Maybe you should check that there are Wikipedia articles on many other supposedly "non-notable" forums that rank well below this one. It's clear we do not agree about the notability of this forum (which is one of the biggest dealing with skyscrapers and architecture, like it or not), so I request that the issue be resolved in Articles for Deletion. The matter should not depend upon your single subjective personal opinion. Uaxuctum 18:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

SpongeBob Star

File:SpongeBob BarnStar.PNGThe SpongeBob Star is given to you for your work on Family Guy related articals. Awarded by Cocoaguy 21:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

inappropriate external links

I've read the message and Wikipedia policy. My hands are slapped.

Although I'll freely admit that I added more external links than was proper, I feel that the webpages that I that linked to contained good information appropiate to the subject at hand. Please reconsider the author interviews. There's no advertising whatsoever on any of the webpages.

A token

➨ ЯEDVERS awards this Barnstar to Zoe for hard work and wiseness.

Just to let you know that you're much appreciated around here. ➨ ЯEDVERS 21:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Jeffrey T. Capo

I have left a statement on the AFD for the article to keep it from deletion. If there is anything else I should add, please let me know. Thanks. JeffCapo

Thanks for your "help"JeffCapo 07:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

What's the Verdict on No Shave November?

I've been watching this page and the deleted No Shave November page for a few days and I haven't heard anything. I don't expect things to change overnight, but some communication would be helpful. Thanks.

Fergbrain 22:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Username change...

Wikipedia does not allow email addresses as usernames and you have asked me to change it. No problem. My questions are: It might be useful to inform a newbie on how to do this if you wish to pick on me about it ...and second, why did it let me create the account in the first place if it is against the rules of the system?

Orange (colour)

You seem to have endorsed American spelling in the article, although this is at odds with the manual of style. It should use colour throughout to reflect the name of the article. There's been some reverting going on, so I get that you may have misread the situation, but there's plenty of discussion on the talk page. I don't tend to edit war, so appreciate your thoughts here. Steve block Talk 21:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Steve block is right, and said in as many words what I would have said. Please also see User_talk:Cat's_Tuxedo#Color_vs._Colour, the message I sent to the user whose edit I reverted. I'll leave it to someone else - in the interest of not provoking any edit wars - to revert the page to the way it should be. Nihiltres 23:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Please note that User:Nihiltres is on an apparent crusade to change all of the color articles to British spelling, not just the Orange one. User:Zoe|(talk) 00:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make assumptions about my motives. In fact, for a long time my user page has only had the "color" spelling. I invite you to take a look at it and its history, which each are examples of me using the "color" spelling. In addition, I feel that all of my changes are justifiable as standardization of spelling. The only change I made for which the standardization to "colour" was not completely justified was on Blue, where there were many examples of both spellings. I then chose to standardize to "colour" rather than count every instance of both spellings, since the article is very long. Nihiltres 00:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

See also User_talk:Nihiltres#American_vs_British_spellings.. Nihiltres 02:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to change both of Orange (colour) and Blue back to the British spelling, as per the Manual of Style's guideline on resolving these decisions. I will change Orange back to correspond to the spelling used in its title (per the rule that articles should be consistent), and Blue back to correspond to the dialect used by the first contributor. I'll leave Black - despite Cat's Tuxedo's needless change against my change that changed very few instances, it is the dialect of the first contributor. Hopefully this solution, aided by the MoS, can resolve this ultimately pointless conflict. I'll wait until I hear from (both of) you to go ahead and change any of the articles concerned back, to prevent this being construed as more edit warring. I'm posting this on the talk pages of both Zoe and Cat's Tuxedo. Regards, Nihiltres 01:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Please inform us

I'm very interested in what your idea of what personal attacks are. After your message, I'm confused about what you meant.

On demand

Hi, I don't know anything about wrestling - so I don't want to delete it - but this looks like an elaborate hoax, could you take a look please. OnDemand Wrestling and Matrix Digital Audio Corporation, images will need to be deleted too, thanks. --Peta 03:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

My apologies

I was not attempting to vandalize anything. The Matrix Digital Audio Corporation was legitimate. That is my corporation. Also, I only copied the WWE article in an attempt to be able to use certain HTML encoding that I am not familiar with, but was in the middle of ridding the majority and keeping the coding solely. If this seems like I was trying to do something wrong, I wasn't. But I'm not mad for you doing your job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odwrestling (talk • contribs)

That is understandable.

I have not yet read that, however I will now. Thank you for being patient. You are a true professional and that is nice to see now and then.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Odwrestling (talk • contribs)

James Hol

I am glad you got rid of that user, he was attacking everybody and making false accusations.

Thanks alot Kelvin Williams 08:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Bryan Pata debate

User Zoe,

First off, it was a commendable effort to try to delete a non-notable person from Wikipedia, but the proximity to the death event, coupled with the fact that Wikipedia has a disproportionate number of young people with too much time on their hands and little historical perspective, means that this is a lost cause, at least for the time being.

Bryan Pata, as a football player, had 13 tackles in 41 games. That doesn't sound like a great player to me. The Miami Hurricanes are 5-5 this year and weren't that great last year. Personally I think it's ridiculous how self-centered the 20-year-old age cohort is. It seems they only want to hear about themselves.

However, my message here is really about this, below:

Civility Warning Hi,

Your conduct with respect to me in the debate over Mr. Pata is completely unacceptable. Check my user page for my credentials, including an MA in history. Even if I had no credentials, your tone is totally inappropriate. Had I come across your comment directed at someone else, I would have given you a 12 hour-block for a civility violation. You had no reason to speak in that manner, and the only defects on display were your own. Please reconsider the manner in which you relate to others. Xoloz 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I simply used the word 'ignorant' to describe Xoloz's attempt to suggest that Pata's death was notable because Crispus Attuck's death was. I used the word 'pathetic' to describe the state of America's value system today. Neither word is particularly out of line. Rather, I feel that Xoloz's warning says more about his low tolerance for others and an inflated ego that makes him uncriticizable because he has 'credentials.'

This is part of my response, below. I'd like to hear what a third party has to say and also what I can do to insulate myself from people who think they are more important than they really are.

Notably, the argument on developmental psychology doesn't even have a single write-up yet about the psychology of aging. Yet Google returns 166,000 hits.

Results 1 - 10 of about 166,000 for "psychology of aging". (0.15 seconds) 

But who has time for education when there's FOOTBALL??? Then we wonder why the USA trails Europe in Japan in math, science, life expectancy, etc.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 08:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Again, my response to Xoloz:

Your so-called 'civility' warning comes across as UN-civil and an abuse of power. 'Credentials' aren't everything...it's called a 'testimonial' fallacy. Simply because George Bush is powerful, doesn't make him right.

The FACTS of the matter are: 1. Your comment was WAY out of line. Crispus Attucks is in American history textbooks in probably every school in America. Bryan Pata isn't, and never will be.

2. Crispus Attucks was not famous simply because of his death, but because he stood up for the rights of Americans. This was an act of civil disobedience, where the decision was made beforehand to take a risk for a cause. In Bryan Pata's case, it was a random act of violence, there was no cause, there was no 'courageous' decision to take a stand for a nation. Comparing the two is an insult to history and damages the minds of young people, who are elready too far removed from being able to evaluate what really matters. Kids today need to know that "everybody is somebody" and they don't have to idolize Bryan Pata, who really didn't do anything special. 13 tackles in 41 games on a 5-5 team does not make someone notable. In retrospect, UserZoe should have known that trying to delete the article so close to the death event was a losing strategy (i.e., appeal to emotion fallacy). So, it looks like all the Pata worshippers will have their golden calf.

3. I used the words 'ignorant' and 'pathetic' to describe your comments. There words are used in mainstream media outlets like the NY Times. To try to claim that I 'crossed the line' is simply to once again miss the whole point.

5. What is the point? The point is, I am fighting for the education of the world. Popular decisions are not always right ones. We see in the Bible that Jesus was crucified and Barabbas the robber was set free. Barabbas was popular at the time. Yet 2,000 years later, who is defending Barabbas? No one. History will judge, and history says that Crispus Attucks is several magnitudes of historical importance above Bryan Pata. Deleting the article, or even suggesting that it should be deleted, really has nothing to do with Bryan Pata but has everything to do with what Wikipedia is. Is Wikipedia a tool to help educate, an encyclopedia? Or is it merely a popularity contest, where items such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Sunnydale, CA are 'encyclopedic?

You may suspend or attempt to suspend my account, but in the long run, the losers won't be me. The losers will be those who were robbed of their education. It's like a kid who runs away from home and their parents, mainly to gain power. Assuming the parents were not abusive but the kid merely didn't want to accept guidance and discipline, the kid looses in the long run, for not learning and listening that the FIRST rule of CIVILITY is to listen to the other side of the story first.

In the alleged words of Henry David Thoreau: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say them."

Ironically, someone who purports to be anti-Bush is attempting to be a censor. 'Emotion' should never trump logic, because at that point, anything can be justified...killing Jews in the name of "Allah", for example. It's not logical, but emotionally, it makes sense if you believe that "Allah" told you to.

There is nothing more dangerous than putting emotion ahead of logic. True, there needs to be a counterbalance, consideration for others. Last I checked, however, my comments were directed at the posters on the board, not Bryan Pata. I see nothing wrong with calling 'ignorant' something that is ignorant.

As for 'credentials,' I think summa cum laude says enough. Being in 400+ media outlets on six continents says more. But this isn't and shouldn't be about 'ego' or who has the bigger balls. It should be about, what are we doing for others? And I don't think giving people sugar-coated candy is healthy for them, in the long run. Just because I give people 'vegetables' doesn't mean it's wrong.

So, the ball is in your court. You can:

A. Attack me again B. Consider what I said and realize that, if not polite, the comments I made were helpful in pointing out the misplaced values of today's society C. Ignore the whole thing and pretend it didn't happen.

The choice is yours.

P.S. What you posted on the web page was a personal attack. What I posted was a criticism of an illogical comparison.

90 minutes in heaven

Note: this comment is part of a synchronised thread. You can reply by clicking the [edit] link next to the comment's heading, or following this link. To ensure that you can see any further responses I make, add this page to your watchlist. Once you have replied, feel free to remove this boilerplate.

When you removed the plot from 90 Minutes in Heaven, were you concerned about copyright infringement? I'm afraid this isn't entirely clear from your edit summary.

Also, wouldn't a significantly more vigourous rephrasing of the plot eliminate this problem? Karl Dickman ^talk 17:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Numer1stan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Osama American in Bondage (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links)

Hello! I noticed you deleted the article as a hoax. I contributed to it with my previous account "Kavadi carrier".

I suspect it is a real book but self-published; Google hits showing fervant praise for the book on various blogs and the Amazon entry itself are probably due to the author Sam Time himself making them all up.

Lastly, I blocked Numer1stan indef. I think he has shown sufficiently that the only thing he wants to do is to push this joke book; very likely he is the author. Regards, Kimchi.sg 01:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Prendergast

Warning the author is correct. But why did you not flag the article for {{speedy}}?--Anthony.bradbury 01:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

My apologies; either I misread the erdit history or else our actions overlapped.--Anthony.bradbury 19:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Alameda Measure A entry

Not true. This is of interest to people outside of Alameda - the world around - because Alameda is a microcosm of the ongoing debate in metropolitan centers around the world regarding land use, "slow-growth," affordable housing, and toxic waste sites. (Alameda Point is a federal superfund site that needs to be redeveloped.) It is instructive and useful to people all over the United States, indeed, the world over, to follow what goes on in Alameda regarding land use.

And anyway, so what if it is only of interest to people of Alameda? Who says that geography is the proper delimiter of communities of interest in Wikipedia? The Britney Spears page is only of interest to people who like Britney Spears. Perhaps the City of Alameda web page is also only of interest to people from Alameda? People from Alameda are entitled to look to Wikipedia to find information that is of interest to themselves as well, even if it doesn't have broad geographic interest, no? You would dis-enfranchise the citizens of Alameda from using Wikipedia to learn more about what goes on in their city?Mowster 04:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Todaro, Sr.

Zoe,

I recently created a temporary subpage at Joseph Todaro, Sr./temp in the hopes it might be considered for undeletion. This version is substantially cut down, however it does include relable references supporting Todaro's involvement in organized crime. Also, regarding the original deletion review, I believe there was also some concern regarding copyright issues although I'm not sure if that was discussed. My best guess would be the former article largely based off the La Nova Pizzeria official website. MadMax 16:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Zoe, I've just finished the changes and some minor editing. MadMax 21:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Klik (band)

I noticed you deleted the page I created for the band Klik. It was deleted earlier, and reverted so I could continue working on the page. I didn't get a chance to work on the page more when it was reverted. The reasoning of NN for Klik is flawed, as they've been featured in Rolling Stone magazine, and recently won the Ford Fusion contest Rolling Stone was holding. I believe that qualifies them as being notable. Even on Klik's home page [1] they have a quote from Rolling Stone about them. This is the Ford Fusion contest page that shows them as the winner [2]

I'd like for the page to be reverted, but I think it'd be best that it stay unreverted until I have the time to put in the sources, such as the ISBN of the 1000th issue of Rolling Stone that they were featured in.

So until now, leave as it is, but when I'm ready, I'm hoping you'll undelete it for me. Thanks.

--Xero Anarian 18:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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Creating it under a userpage for me would be great. Thanks much. I'm still learning some of the more advanced features of Wiki, so I didn't really even know about that. Luckilly I've been adopted so that will change soon. Thanks again.

--Xero Anarian 19:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

re: 27 Club

I have fixed the link on the talk page, so it should point to the AfD I was actually referring to now. As this was 8 months ago I really don't remember the AfD very well but I suppose my closing note should explain what my rationale was at the time. --W.marsh 21:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandal

Thank you for blocking User:Smorgisborg, who vandalised my userpage four times and was really starting to annoy me!--Anthony.bradbury 00:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. Did you notice that he/she received seven warnings before you pulled the plug? --Anthony.bradbury 00:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Surely: but my point really is that not enough editors are aware of the four-warning cascade series in WP:TT, and not enough editors know about WP:AIV.While perhaps too many new-ish editors are prepared to insert vandal warnings. I have no solution - just an observation.--Anthony.bradbury 00:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I do when I can. But new ones (which ok, are welcome) keep apprearing. Some way of sending a blanket message to all users, or all new users, would be nice. But I don't think it's possible. All we can do is keep working. Sorry - sent without name tag first time.--Anthony.bradbury 00:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the talk

Just wanted to drop you a note thanking you for talking it out with me on the Deletion Review. I know it's a discussion ya'll are probably all sick of, so, I appreciate you hearing me out. It's one of those things-- when you're a plebian non-admin (which is all i'd ever want to be), you don't want to be the leader of the nation-- you just wanna know that your ballot got read. What I mean by that is just-- I havent' been through what ya'll have been through, and I probably wouldn't do as well as you are doing with it. I'm sure it'd be easy to not reply to me-- the vote on the issue is obviously strongly in your favor, there was no impetus on you to banter with me except out of a desire to help me understand so... seriously and truly, thanks for listening and letting me listen to you. --Alecmconroy 01:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Doh!

Leaving the warning was an accident. I meant to just click "Rollback", but I must've clicked "RB+T1" instead. Well, I'll try to avoid that mistake in the future! —The Great Llama ^talk 01:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

User:sloth_monkey and User:wentwj

I gave him permission to edit my bio. People keep trying to stop him. I realize their (your) intentions are good but please stop. sloth_monkey 05:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

IM IN UR BASE KILLIN UR D00DZ

Just wondering why you deleted the "IM IN UR BASE KILLIN UR D00DZ" page that I made. Thanks.

IM IN UR BASE KILLIN UR D00DZ #2

You wrote: "The article failed to provide any reliable sources as to the so-called meme's notability. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)"

My source came from Encyclopedia Dramatica. Unfortunately, Wikipedia blacklists anything from that website, so I couldn't include a link to cite as a source.

It is also pretty common knowledge in the Internet community that the phrase originated with Starcraft. I also had a BoingBoing post and a Metafilter post referencing the origins of the meme in the "resources" section of the article; unfortunately, you deleted it and I didn't save a copy, so I can't refer you to these.

Also, why didn't you discuss this with me first instead of simply deleting the article without discussion? I would have liked to work this out with you and hopefully come to a conclusion without me having to rewrite the entire thing all over again.

It's pretty much impossible for me to contact all of the editors of every non-notable article I delete. There are far too many. I can move the article to your User space at User:Kosmonaut/IM IN UR BASE KILLIN UR D00DZ, if you want, so you can work on it there. But we do need reliable sources. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, could you move it to my User space, please? I'll try to find a more reliable source that isn't blacklisted (Encyclopedia Dramatica.)

No Shave November

Why did you delete the No Shave November article, it is real, I ahve participated in it. --Witeandnerdy 23:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I deeply apologize

Dear Zoe(Moderator)

  I have a hacker in my system and I dont know what to do so I am sorry

Sincerely,
          Matt Harper A.K.A Stompy

Hey :D

Quick Questio are you actually typing or is this all Computer operated? What OS are u guys running?

YA

Linux is cool but im srry im having PC problems and im about to do the thing where the people come and help u with ur computer over internet. Hope goes well.

Bicycle Day deletion

Why did you delete the Bicycle Day article? At one point there was a good article there. Any nonsense would have been vandalism. Alphonze 10:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I find this appropriate for an article. Sources:

• Hofmann, Albert (1981): LSD, My Problem Child. McGraw-Hill. ISBN 0-07-029325-2
• maps bulletin v16n2

The first LSD trip, April 19, 1943, is also widely known as “Bicycle Day” because of Hofmann’s wild bike ride from his lab to his home through the streets of Basel, full of perceptual distortions, not knowing whether he would ever return from his madness.

Would you please undelete it? Without knowledge of the prior content, I can't be certain, but I do not feel this qualifies for speedy. Otherwise, we can just recreate. ∴ here…♠ 18:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Bicycle Day to WP:DRV based on:

• new york times Jan 7 2006, THE SATURDAY PROFILE; Nearly 100, LSD's Father Ponders His 'Problem Child -- Bicycle day noted as named date.
• maps bulletin - Also in print, widely distributed, scientific journal. The first LSD trip, April 19, 1943, is also widely known as “Bicycle Day” because of Hofmann’s wild bike ride from his lab to his home through the streets of Basel.
• erowid established resource for psychoactive plants and chemicals and related issues. Bicycle day noted in Hoffmann's summary.
• Island Views E-Zine #2 - Bicycle Day Commemorative Issue
• Many local, often less publicized events taking place on April 19th.

Regardless of the outcome on this article, you really made a mistake here by skipping AfD. At the very least deserves a redirect. I'll chalk it up to honest misunderstanding, or plain 'ol laziness. Thanks as always for all your work. ∴ here…♠ 02:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Bicycle Day on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bicycle Day. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. ∴ here…♠ 02:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleting & protecting The S&M Man

Hello Zoe,

My name is John Mehlberg. I want to work on the rugby song The S&M Man but you have deleted it and protected it from recreation. What was the problem with the article? Copyright? Can't this be avoided or mitigated?

Please advise.

John Mehlberg (email) 21:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Accusation of Racism

Where do you find racist edits being made on Wang Wei (pilot)??? That is highly offensive to come out with such an accusation. Please try and have a professional debate regarding the edits rather than resorting to this type of low-class race card maneuver. I am Taiwanese-American for God's sake... *rolls eyes*

Not only my point of view

Zoe,

This is not a POV- these are the facts- sourced as Wikipedia asks them to be. It presents all viewpoints- not just Princess Maria's supporters. The Almanach de Gotha states Prince Nicholas to be the Head of the Imperial House- who are you to argue with them? I, however, present all cklaimants fairly and with source material. The current article does not.12.146.102.46 14:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Not only my point of view

Zoe,

This is not a POV- these are the facts- sourced as Wikipedia asks them to be. It presents all viewpoints- not just Princess Maria's supporters. The Almanach de Gotha states Prince Nicholas to be the Head of the Imperial House- who are you to argue with them? I, however, present all claimants fairly and with source material. The current article does not.Tim Foxworth 14:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The Almanach de Gotha that Mr. Foxworth cites has as much value as a roll of toilet paper. Charles 18:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

dear Zoe, if you have something to contribute about the problematic RUSSIAN SUCCESSION DISPUTE, please join the discussions at the talkpage Talk:Line of succession to the Russian throne where the complex problematics is analyzed, genealogies and sources are studied in detail, and so forth. I am able to certify that there are several Points of View in that matter. I will now refrain from commenting upon the above allegation of availability of toilet paper. Shilkanni 21:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

wrong way

I re-added the wrong way section removed by you. Te fact tag has nothing to do with it. I mean, I just realized I removed it along the way, but I guess it's an honest mistake.--Certified.Gangsta 00:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC) Btw, why did you block User:Wrong Way when you are part of the content dispute? [[3]] This is a defninite no-no for admins. Not to mention you did this without warning, discussion with fellow admins and consensus.--Certified.Gangsta 00:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation - Alameda Measure A

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Zoe - could you please direct me to these mysterious and unknowable rules you appeal to for deleting the article? Mowster 04:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion request

I noticed your remarks on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Discuss and Vote; I would appreciate it if you could take a look at WP:DDV, and indicate if it accurately represents the way Wikipedia works (and feel free to reword it if it doesn't). Basically it states that AFD (etc) are not decided by vote count, and in general voting is discouraged (but not forbidden). Thanks. (Radiant) 10:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sources for No Shave November

Per your request, here are some articles I found regarding "No Shave November":

• http://fp.uni.edu/northia/archives3.asp?ID=4234
• http://www.webcyclery.com/pages.php?pageid=83
• http://chips.luther.edu/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4826

Fergbrain 20:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

What nonsense all thing's stated about Jared Bushman where true.

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Orphaned fair use image (Image:NatalieWood.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:NatalieWood.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

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Vote

Please vote 64.229.209.85 22:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)