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2010 comments by User:Huw Powell

I suggest forking or splitting to the modern "skillet meal" which is referred to late in this article. Far from a "TV dinner", I think they should have their own "see also" article. Also, the last section in very UK-centric. Is their a template I can use to whine about that? Huw Powell (talk) 03:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don't think this talk page should have been archived. The archive is small, and contains threads I think are still currently pertinent. Huw Powell (talk) 03:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK

Birdseye marketed the frozen dinner for one in the UK from 1960s. It was in a covered aluminium tray which you lifted one corner to allow the Yorkshire pudding to rise. In the UK they were never referred to as TV dinner's though. (86.129.36.187 (talk) 19:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Pewter Tray

I see there in the history section, this line "the pewter tray with aluminum foil covering could be heated directly in the oven..."

Is this true? Were "TV dinners" ever packaged in pewter trays? Isn't pewter kind of heavy and stiff? I realize that pewter is not particularly expensive, but is it too expensive to be used as a disposable container? I imagine if pewter TV dinner trays were built like pewter beer mugs then people might have saved them for other use. Unless you can make a pewter foil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8A00:2890:3D0E:DC30:530D:E06E (talk) 02:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Pewter would also melt at about the temperature that TV dinners were heated. I've updated the page. Dan Bloch (talk) 06:08, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Original research?

The History section of this article has had a tag added to it that claims it may have original research. Unfortunately, since the section already has several sources cited (at least five), it is exceedingly difficult to ascertain which claims the tagger considers to be original research. There is one statement "Swanson far exceeded its expectations, and ended up selling more than 10 million of these dinners in the first year of production." that (appropriately) has a "citation needed" tag on it, but that's not original research-looking, it's lack of sourcing.

Then why post this statement at all? Did someone just pull it out of the air? It certainly reads that way, along with all the other breezy "facts" sprinkled through the article. Without a source, these statements have no validity or value. 73.173.114.38 (talk) 03:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, when I see editors whose tagging of articles constitute in the neighborhood of 50% of their total edits, I wonder if they're helping us or not. At the very least, when someone comes along and leaves a nebulous tag like that on an article, I think they should be required to explain what their concern is. Of course, some tags do not need an explanation. For example, if a tag says that an article has "no sources, and indeed, it has none, then I can understand what's the problem. But tagging like this, without leaving an explanation, is just rude and ignorant. HuskyHuskie (talk) 04:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TV dinners are generic and international. Therefore in referring to dessert options purely American desserts - "brownies" and "apple cobblers" should be avoided.Royalcourtier (talk) 01:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When did Swanson stop using the name "TV Dinner"?

Article says 1962; here is a Swanson ad from May 1968 which uses it. Relgif (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My memory says that the term "TV Dinner" was still being used in the 1970s, but I have nothing to back it up but gray hairs. HuskyHuskie (talk) 03:39, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with History Section

Specifically the origin of the name. The claim that it's because of the shape may have a cite but it's obviously false: The original TV Dinner had three triangular sections, it did not have a "sidebar" arrangement like a television. This is even shown in the images used in the article. I can't access the cite to see if it's being misread or misrepresented, but there's a contradictory statement from Gerald Thomas here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlkO8LIWrs

I don't know if it's a good enough source but the fact the remains that the article as it stands states something which is clearly false.

The photo, however (despite the caption) is not of a 1950s era TV dinner but a 1960s era one -- with the added 4th compartment for a dessert, as stated elsewhere in the article (and as accords with my personal memory). I can't speak to the very first TV dinners, but in the years immediately before the 4-compartment ones, they did have three roughly triangular compartments. --Gambaguru (talk) 03:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Last foil tray?

It is mentioned that the first non-foil ("microwave-safe") tray was introduced in 1986. When was the last foil tray sold? How long did it take for the entire industry to switch from trays designed for "regular ovens" to those designed for microwaves? 24.14.200.215 (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Swanson appears to have exited the frozen dinner market

While following a couple of the article's external links, I noticed that Pinnacle Foods has dropped the Swanson name from its Hungry Man line of frozen dinners, per the expiration of the 10-year brand-licensing agreement with Campbell Soup (Swanson's parent company). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanson#Other_frozen_dinners

Details on this might be added to the History section of this article, and the appropriate Swanson links updated. — DennisDallas (talk) 00:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move (2012)

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:05, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TV dinner → Ready-made meal – This article doesn't specifically detail the dinner by Swanson, but rather discusses all ready-made meals, so I think we should move to the page to "Ready-made meal". KVDP (talk) 09:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • It is like band-aid or any of many other brands that started out as a brand and ended up as the defacto name of the item. Apteva (talk) 09:57, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support More in the interest of defining the article's scope. A ready-made meal can take many forms, such as takeaway food from a supermarket. This article depicts and describes such meals as well. A "TV dinner" is almost always going to mean a frozen meal prepared in a microwave, and sounds a bit informal anyway. --BDD (talk) 19:22, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose use frozen dinner instead, since not all of them are microwave dinners, though they are all now microwave dinners (early TV dinners went in the regular oven). But they are frozen. Although, "TV dinner" is still widely used. And the article specifically says that "TV dinner" has been genericized, so whatever else, it doesn't make it a Swanson term anymore. (like "Personal Computer" and the IBM PC, "aspirin" and Bayer Aspirin, etc)-- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not so. The Gastropub meal depicted in the article doesn't appear to be frozen, and there are many ready-made meals like that in supermarkets, at least here in the United States. I suspect these meals are more often microwaved than they are frozen, though certainly some might be eaten cold, such as salads. --BDD (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article is not really about supermarket "takeaway food" that you can eat without reheating. Even reheated (as distinct from frozen microwave) stuff is mentioned only briefly. I agree with Apteva that it's a generic trademark. I also find many more google results for "TV dinner" than "ready made meal" (which I think includes "ready-made meal") although honestly I don't have much experience with researching COMMONNAME questions. AgnosticAphid talk 19:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Why would anyone think that a TV Dinner is the main article for a ready made meal? The two are quite different. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:59, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Name

It is stated as a fact that the name TV dinner came "from the shape of the tray it was served on". I always thought that it was so-called because it was often eaten in front of the TV. Can either origin be ruled out?Royalcourtier (talk) 01:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 November 2014

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The result of the move request was: move the page back to TV dinner, for the time being, per the discussion below; if another move is still desired, please feel free to initiate a new move request. Dekimasuよ! 07:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Prepackaged meal → TV dinner – This was an undiscussed move ("TV dinner" move to "prepackaged meal"); so should be reverted as a speedy revert. An older discussion occurs on the talk page, where no other term was found to be acceptable for various reasons. And the topic of the article is not prepackaged meals, it does not cover such things as canned meals or MRE-style meals, or ration bar meals, so it is not about "prepackaged meals" it is about TV dinner style prepackaged meals; nor should it be expanded to cover all types of prepackaged meals, since TV dinners are notable in themselves. – 67.70.35.44 (talk) 08:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:12, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this should have gone through as a RMTR speedy revert, since the move away from "TV dinner" to "prepackaged meal" occurred without discussion, and a prior discussion already covered many alternate titles. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:10, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest Ready meal. It gets approaching the hits of "TV dinner" but you can don't feed it to a TV and you can have it for lunch or even breakfast - as per WP:AT. The 21st Century version might be mobile device meal. TV dinners would fit into a category such as ready meals. Gregkaye ✍♪ 23:55, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "TV dinner" used to be overwhelmingly the most common name in the US, even for generic meals. I'm not convinced that it is any longer, however. "Ready meal", on the other hand, seems to be completely unknown in the US (I don't know about elsewhere). so it's not an improvement. I'd suggest moving to frozen dinner, and refining the scope so that it only covers frozen dinners. Other types of convenience meal can be covered elsewhere. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd prefer to use TV dinner with a moritorium on moves for, say, a year rather than use Prepackaged meal. In the form of WP guidelines that have been chosen, rightly or wrongly, it is not Wikipedia's role to invent new terminologies.
"TV dinner" gets "About 442,000 results" on Web
"ready meal" gets "About 381,000 results" on Web
"Frozen meal" gets "About 308,000 results" on Web
"Prepackaged meal" gets "About 12,200 results" on web
ngrams in books overwhelmingly support "TV dinners"
Support a change, any change but with weak preference for Ready meal.
Gregkaye ✍♪ 13:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support ready meal - Although I speak American-English - between "ready meal", "TV dinner", and "frozen meal" - "ready meal" is the most descriptive and general. "Prepackaged meal" would be even better, if only it was in common usage. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 04:08, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for procedural reasons (to revert an undiscussed move) and on the merits ("TV dinner" is the most common of several title options; the current title is quite uncommon). —  AjaxSmack  05:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is needed to simply reverse the undiscussed move. Changes to the name can be considered afterwards. Other name changes being discussed at this time simply complicate which should be a simple correction. Oh, if renamed, block further name changes. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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why "TV dinner"?

An ad introducing the turkey dinner in the Boston Globe, March 26, 1954, includes the line "Skip cooking entirely the night of your favorite TV shows." It goes on to also suggest serving them to your bridge club and eating one when you're home alone, so the main thrust is it's a labor-saving convenience. Still, the connection is there between watching TV and not having to cook while your shows are on. Does it make sense to cook the dinner while watching TV, then stop watching to eat it? Sounds to me like the point is you cook and then you eat, all while you're watching TV, hence the name. 108.20.114.62 (talk) 01:09, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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