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Section size for Tom Seaver (19 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	4,275	4,275
Early life	4,282	4,282
Professional playing career	33	21,638
Minor leagues (1966)	380	380
New York Mets (1967–1977)	8,870	8,870
Midnight Massacre	2,632	2,632
Cincinnati Reds (1977–1982)	3,565	3,565
Return to Mets (1983)	1,338	1,338
Chicago White Sox (1984–1986)	2,928	2,928
Boston Red Sox (1986)	1,892	1,892
Career overall	2,257	2,257
Awards and honors	6,754	6,754
Broadcasting career	1,998	1,998
Personal life and death	4,962	4,962
See also	878	878
Notes and references	25	81
Notes	26	26
References	30	30
External links	4,101	4,101
Total	51,226	51,226

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Historical Personal Note

When I was little, he came to our conutry club (was a member) and would on several occasions pitch to the kids hanging around the pool. This was always a big hit. His house abutted the golf course. WilliamKF 20:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should review the "blind men come to the ballpark just to hear him pitch" quote. It is variously attributed to Pete Rose and Reggie Jackson in the article.

Note on Seaver as a hitter

The article states: "An excellent hitting pitcher, Seaver hit 35 home runs during his career." However, according to the very reliable Baseball Reference, which is listed in the "External links" section at the end of the article, Seaver only hit 12 home runs. By this measure, Seaver is not an excellent hitting pitcher, so I think this sentence should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.252.248.204 (talk) 19:39, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

I remember reading, and Mr. Seaver himself talking, above his bets or wagers with fellow Mets pitcher Jerry Kooseman, concerning which of the two would get more hits (that particular year). And this was no doubt serious, as Tom once said, that if he losses, he "is going to [be out] a lot of money." They were friends, you know, and I think this wagering took pressure off competition to be the best pitcher on the staff. Sort of a gentleman's gesture, by both, imo. John G. Lewis (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Color

According to how the colors are in the Reggie Jackson article, why don't we make this a Red Sox?

Or, as I suggest, make that page Yankee colors. 67.87.184.150 18:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccurate statistic

"He received the highest-ever percentage of votes with..." From Wikipedia, Lou Gehrig received 100% of the vote and was an unanimous selection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Baseball_Hall_of_Fame_(chronological)

BTW, if some1 wants to attack the aforementioned W article, then I do not have a problem with it.

The article shows a blank for a 100%/unanimous selection. I do not think that is correct. If the vote was 100%, then they should put 100% in that columnt. But I am not getting involved with that. 66.234.33.7 (talk) 22:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

of the figures recorded, Seaver's 98.8 is the highest. Gerhig was elected in a special BBWA vote in late 1939 in cincinnati. I can't find the vote recorded anywhere, would assume it's 100, but can't find it. I assume the Clemente vote is a similar situation but haven't looked at that yet. Cookiehead (talk) 01:08, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the BBWA records their vote %'s, and the Vet's committe doesn't. Gerhig was voted in by the VC, not BBWA, so figures not recorded. Cookiehead (talk) 01:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Seaver is considered the greatest player in New York Mets history...."

In my opinion, this needs to have a source identified (i.e., "considered" based on what? Fan surveys, etc.?) Or, if the author is implying that this is popular opinion, perhaps it would be best to add an adverb like "widely" or "often" before "considered." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.231.37.198 (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I took out that part. Later in the article it mentions popularity type mentions like an ESPN thing. That's enough. I have seen many times though where in the press he's noted as one of the greatest pitchers of all time by experts, we need cites for that but i left that part in as it's less disputable I would think. Although this is the Mets, not the Yankees we're talking about here. Who exactly would be competing with Seaver for greatest Met of all time? Strawberry? Carter? Hernandez? No. Seaver dominated the NL from 1968 to 1977. There are probably a dozen reliable sources that would cite Seaver as greatest Met if one were to spend time googling. Cookiehead (talk) 01:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with the comments of Cookiehead, above. Despite the Mets ridiculous trade in 1977, of the Franchise, he still ended up playing 11.5 years with the team. There really is no one that approaches the importance of his work with the Mets, at least so far. Having in the W. article, though, "the best Met ever", though most probably true, really is unnecessary. John G. Lewis (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Time in Cincinnati; Cy Young Voting

I have previously placed in the edit for the 3000th strikeout, and did so without references, as the reference was myself (I was watching the game live on television).

Anyway, I did note some unfortunate, and loose, wording concerning the voting for Mr. Seaver, in regard to the Cy Young Award. I left in bracket's the previous author's statement "Seaver had finished third and fourth in the voting in two previous years." [Or something very similar...] My question, to the contributor, or the editor, is two-fold: 1. *What years* are here so noted? That is, are these two years *only Cincinnati years* (as the heading, to this section, of the Wiki Seaver biographical article, may lead one to believe.), or were they *any two years in Mr. Seaver's career*? The (previous) writer was unclear on this point, but as I was unsure, I left what he had written in brackets. 2. Is this in any event correct? Was he never second in the voting, previous to the year F. V. won? (This being, if the time interpretation would be for *Seaver's whole career*, not just his time in Cincinnati, as I think the author intended.) I believe this is an important point, and should be cleared up (...) Tom had pitched for the Mets during 1967-1977(mid-season) prior to his time at Cincinnati. After he left Cincinnati, Mr. Seaver would no longer compete for the Cy Young.

I know that Tom came very close *a number of other years*, besides winning three times he did. Indeed, at one point, dissapointed he did not win, named his cat "Fergie", after pitcher Fergeson Jenkins, who won the award, despite having an ERA nearly 1 whole point higher than Seaver's - a very large, near incredible, difference, for starting pitchers contending for the Cy Young. John G. Lewis (talk) 19:23, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Official Causes of Death

We can all agree on Dementia complications being a part in his death. The only shred of doubt left is whether Lyme disease or Covid contributed as well. I've seen one source say covid and two say Lyme disease. Before we add either one or the other, let's get all the info necessary to solidify what contributed to his death.

Covid: https://baseballhall.org/discover/hall-of-fame-pitcher-tom-seaver-passes-away

Lyme Disease: https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-greatest-met-ever-dead-at-75/ https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-tom-seaver-obituary-20200903-fyusabaogjepzf6uixn6476k5u-story.html

Thanks, Dannyyankee12_{let's talk} 00:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dannyyankee12_{let's talk}, The Daily News article has now been updated to include COVID-19. It's also being reported by many other sources, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Associated Press. There are now more than enough sources to include COVID-19. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Multiple RS sources are saying COVID was involved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johndavies837 (talk) I see that now. I just didn't want to jump the gun. Dannyyankee12_{let's talk} 01:19, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dannyyankee12_{let's talk} Yeah, I understand. The first few reports were a bit confusing. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that Tom Seaver died of Lyme disease, which is a curable infection and a very rare cause of death. Based on the 2013 reporting that, even after 8 months of treatment, Seaver was taking 24 pills per day, "most of them vitamins, plus one penicillin pill", it appears more likely that he was involved in chronic Lyme pseudoscience. The standard treatment for Lyme disease is 10-28 days of antibiotics, not the longterm cocktail Seaver was taking. Without a reliable source (e.g. a mainstream doctor), it's best to remove references to Lyme disease from this article. ScienceFlyer (talk) 02:43, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Broadcasting citations

As of this comment, there is one remaining citation needed tag, on Seaver being a color broadcaster for postseason series in the 1970s and 1980s. I've searched for citations, but even Wikipedia's own articles on postseason broadcasters (for example, List of World Series broadcasters or List of National League Division Series broadcasters) are a mess of scattered citations amongst mostly uncitated tables. I'm not sure how to proceed on that last citation needed tag, as Seaver's broadcasting career is an important part of his history, but also seems to be poorly sourced short of citing actual game footage. Dralwi k|^{Have a Chat} 02:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2020

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This is language from Wikipedia's "Scotch and Soda" page. Thought you might want to add to Seaver's page. "Scotch and Soda" was discovered by the Trio through the parents of the baseball player Tom Seaver, who had first heard it in a hotel piano lounge in 1932 when on their honeymoon in Phoenix, Arizona. They liked it so much that they had the piano player write it down for them so it would be "their song." One member of the trio (Dave Guard) was dating Seaver's older sister (Katie) at that time, and heard the song on a visit to the Seaver home. Although it is credited to Guard (he had it copyrighted in his name on March 30, 1959), the trio never discovered the real songwriter's name, though they searched for years.[2] 2600:1700:F5E0:EDC0:0:0:0:40 (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Completely irrelevant to a bio of Seaver. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious rankings

An IP back in 2011 added some dubious rankings that seem like WP:OR about Seaver's standing in the live-ball era or among complex cross sections like 300-win HOFers. Any sources after 2011 that seem to support this are likely WP:CIRCULAR, and should be scrutinized before using.—Bagumba (talk) 11:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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