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Parodies

As many of you know, Los Angeles talk radio host Phil Hendrie has parodied Art many times. In fact, I think George once played a clip of Phil and a clip of Art and asked the audience which one was real. Sometimes cute trivia like this is fun to ad onto wiki articles. Just a thought.

500 Affiliates?!

With over 500 affiliates, are there any figures or estimates on how many people listen to this show? 24.188.207.20 (talk) 04:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

523 affiliates as of May 09, 2009. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 07:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From hearing George claim on the air.. he says he has 16-20 million listeners per week. Not sure what that means as far as nightly listeners goes, but that's the figure i have heard quoted by the host himself multiple times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.141.75 (talk) 00:15, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Art Bell's back in Manila AGAIN???

There was a recent episode of C2C where it was "Friday Night Open Lines" featuring Art, but the website said that "due to engineering problems from Manila, Art will not be on tonight"...has anyone officially confirmed that Art, Airyn and baby Asia have moved back to Manila again?...any Wikipedians in the Philippine capital can confirm this, please...thanks...Michaela92399 (talk) 02:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Art had mentioned on-air in 2007 that his intent was to spend 6 months a year in the U.S. and the other half in Manila, to accommodate family on both sides...the specific program date escapes me at the moment but i'm sure it's in the C2C archives Vu1kan (talk) 03:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Host

Why is there no mention of Mike Siegel? According to his article he was host of Coast to Coast AM from April 27, 2000 to February 5, 2001. That's a little over 9 months, at least worth a passing mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.140.204.93 (talk) 07:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I added a short paragraph, copied over from his article. -- œ™ 19:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Former Hosts

Shouldn't this article have a mention of former hosts? Mike Siegel hosted the show for a few months after Bell left the first time. Hilly Rose also hosted for a while after Bell left and he was a frequent fill-in for years after that (although I haven't heard him guest host in quite a while). Barbara Simpson used to be a weekend host as well, sort of like Ian Punnett is today (I forgot if she did Saturdays or Sundays). I also know that Whitley Strieber has co-hosted segments of Coast to Coast AM (beyond hosting Dreamland) and has probably hosted entire shows. I wouldn't be surprised if there were 1 or 2 more that I'm missing but I don't remember .... -OneFootedSnorkelMonster (talk) 08:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I agree there should be mention of former hosts. If not at least Mike Siegel who was originally slated to take over for Art (if I remember correctly) but the fans objected. Yes there should be more detail on its history, and if you have references and think you can improve the article then by all means be bold and please do! -- Ϫ 19:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No information is better than unsourced information, and the section being discussed here doesn’t follow WP:POPCULTURE. — NRen2k5(TALK), 18:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd just like to add that before removing entire sections of trivia, a reasonable effort should be made to see if some of the items can be integrated into the main article text. For example: "Crystal Gayle's song "Midnight in the Desert" is a tribute to Coast to Coast AM and Art Bell; Bell has since used the song as the end theme of all shows hosted by him." would've been a good addition. Or the bit about the Taken miniseries being modeled on Art Bell, if that can be referenced to a semi-reliable source perhaps. Or we could just copy the whole section to a subpage here in an effort to preserve information. -- Ϫ 00:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is also Coast to coast RV campground chain

http://www.coastresorts.com/

so maybe there should be a disambiguation page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.148.1.92 (talk) 22:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of Coast to Coast

I have a question on why there is no mention that when Coast to Coast AM was originally founded by Art Bell the format was as a conservative political radio show. Art later changed the format to focus on the unusual and paranormal. --96.18.71.195 (talk) 05:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because Wikipedia is a work in progress and the article needs people like you to add the missing information! WP:Be bold! -- Ϫ 09:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The actual details of the historical origin of this program seem very obscure. I've never seen an actual date or description of the inception of this show.Landroo (talk) 11:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, not to disparage any individuals to whom this may apply, but the repeated mention of "be bold" on talk pages, oftentimes by a single user, is a bit disturbing. It can easily be interpreted as "thanks for the concern, but I'll leave it to you to do all the work involved." This article is completely lacking a proper history section.
The problem should be obvious. The Internet transitioned into a mass media device in 1996. A simple Google search pertaining to events prior to that may not be as easy as you would think. This is all from personal recollection. Art Bell started the show as a local show in Las Vegas in 1990. He was receiving national recognition (albeit rather limited) even back then. At the time, the only syndicated nighttime radio shows which had any kind of audience were Larry King's and Jim Bohannon's shows. Rush Limbaugh and the heavily partisan political style of talk radio was still pretty much in its infancy on a national level. If I have any handle on how radio programmers think, I would think that if they gave someone airtime, they would want a show similar to what was on the air at the time.
I don't remember anything about how or why Bell switched formats, or the timing involved related to national syndication. Bohannon's artice states: "Bohannon took over as permanent host during Larry King's late night timeslot on January 29th, 1993." From what I remember, there was a severe backlash to this switch. Obviously, Bohannon continued in national syndication for many years afterward, but in a different time slot. At around this same time, Alan Colmes suddenly appeared from out of nowhere with a short-lived national show which was perhaps only notable in terms of how awful it was. After stations cancelled that show, then Bell and Coast started showing up everywhere.
I only have the faintest recollection of Long John Nebel, but it appears that he was doing this sort of show nationally back when Bell was traveling around the country adding call signs to his resume. It also appears that Nebel was replaced in national syndication by King, so Bell's ascent probably reflected a switch in tastes on the programming level rather than the fact that Bell was offering something innovative.RadioKAOS (talk) 21:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CoastZone website removal

The reason that I removed the CoastZone website is because it is an official forum for entity Unexplained Phenomena per their statement: "All Articles, Reports and other content is © 2010 Unexplained Phenomena, LLC." It does not have Coast to Coast AM copyright information listed at the bottom per WP:ELOFFICIAL. All is One (talk) 17:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Art, retired, for good this time?

There any way to confirm this aside from a bunch of forums discussing this? Senior Trend (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Area 51 caller incident

Not quite sure about it, but wouldn't it be worth to mention that in the article? It is a relatively notable event. 86.179.109.88 (talk) 21:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Guests

Maybe we could cut the guests that aren't notable enough to have a Wikipedia article out of the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NuclearWizard (talk • contribs) 14:38, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No further comments or opposition? I'll just do it then.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:48, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

David John Oates is not banned on coast to coast am because He was on with George Noory. Yes Art Bell did banned him but because Art Bell is not apart of coast to coast am as of 31 Oct 2010. George Noory did said on Coast am that David John Oates will be back on Coast am.--172.56.31.228 (talk) 22:49, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, I support your deletion. Many C2C fans thought that was a despicable thing for Noory to do, but of course it wasn't necessarily George's decision at all. Very likely a Management ploy, even higher up than Lisa Lyon. El Ingles (talk) 00:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the Oates detail should be included as part of the body text, eg 'was banned, ban rescinded', rather than marked out as an editor's box? The format as stands unfairly relegates the article as a sub-standard fan compilation, and to the casual viewer seems snarky and snippetty. User:Andrew Luke (talk) 19:00, 02 January 2016 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.58.254 (talk)

Banned guests are hard to verify, because a ban is rarely declared publicly, and any guest who has not appeared as a guest for a while could be presumed to be banned. Matt Savinar hasn't been a guest since he was chastised by Ian Punnett for demeaning some members of the public as "stupid" on December 27, 2008. Richard C. Hoagland hasn't appeared on the show since June 19, 2015 and was subsequently replaced by Robert Zimmerman as Coast's "science advisor". Carmen Boulter may be banned since her appearance on April 9, 2016, where she reacted very negatively and insultingly to many of the phone-in callers' questions, which she regarded as "naive and uninformed." Landroo (talk) 04:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ufo phil

Rick Still is an actor and songwriter who played Ufo Phil so i think it should be updated on Coast to coast am page.--Thunderpilot (talk) 13:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anarchist Agenda?


It seems like the paranormal shows are few and far between since Noory and the current staff of producers took over, but they regularly have guests on regarding conspiracies almost always involving the United States government. Does the current inception of Coast to Coast have a hidden agenda to try and influence politics but more specifically discredit certain political bodies and institutions by booking guests who claim that there is a "boogey man" in the government?

It actually is a big deal, there is a hard core who use coast to coast as their first news source. Those audiance members are more avid listeners and their political decisions are heavily influenced by Coast to Coast. The current show makes no effort to explain to the audiance that Coast to Coast is for entertainment purposes, George has encouraged people to ignore legitamate news sources and instead listen to himself or others like Alex Jones who have financial interests in convinceing the audiance that governments are run by the "New World Order".

There is no counterbalance to those opinions expressed in the show. George is unqualified and untrained to tackle political topics and has demonstrated this in his lack luster interview style. However producers continue to book political and financial guests that the host has no technical skill for interviewing.

Because the producers put such an emphasis on political shows but do not provide sufficient counterbalancing hosts, it is as though they have the intent to undermine legitimate government through propaganda. is it possible that the current form of Coast to Coast either intentionally or unintentionally has an anarchist agenda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.125.120.194 (talk) 08:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Missing Theme

What is the name of the pizzicato and synthesizer theme at the beginning of every show?174.89.101.69 (talk) 04:21, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The beginning of the show opens with "Giorgio Moroder"song called "Chase" and the ending theme is "Cusco"song called "Inca Dance". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.84.60 (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

clear channel?

When the article talks about "clear channel", does it mean Clear Channel Communications? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:44, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, indeed that is the meaning for Clear Channel. Ap William (talk) 06:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

False criticism paragraph

Several unregistered users have written criticism around the Art Bell incident in an obvious attempt to defame Coast to Coast AM, the text contain nothing but childish subjective ridiculing of Alex Jones and George Noory, it is written poorly with grammatical errors, unnecessary words and other unacceptable, it looks like it has been written by either some ignorant bell fanboys, who love to spread misinformation, alex jones and george noory are not racist and no valid criticism exists, however it is known to be a popular attack point by the haters.

One of these users written a funny explanation why he is adding this information:

QUOTE: citation reason=This claim needs a reliable source;racism is subjective, long time listeners know George incubated the Tea Party ideology, Tea Party Movement's founders are highly controversial, debateable, and documentation is nearly impossible, Neo-Confederacy ideology is not acknowledged by George and Ian but frequently expressed on their shows|

This is clearly not genuine criticism, these is an attack by those who are on the other side. 1. What does The Tea-Party connection have to do with criticism of Coast to Coast at all? 2. In what shape or form does this Art Bell incident have to do with "decline of quality" 3. Statements are written by someone who's clearly not capable of writing proper english. 3. He has no sources anyways, only his word how he heard something on a show, I know wikipedia rules can be abused, like this one, but if there is genuine criticism then it definitely is not only about Art bell. 4. Subjective insultive labels against Alex Jones - clearly an alex jones hater, you might not like his way, but you don't suppose to write 3 labels in a row "overcaffinated" "racist" and other biased remarks. 5. Lastly, the user promotes the Art Bell show by stating that his show can be found on a website 6. We have seen butthurt people, this could be Art bell him self, I'm not making any claims, but the possibility is there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xowets (talk • contribs) 23:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Recent editing activity

Wikipedia is not a current events site (though it does incorporate current events to some extent) and we're not here to be a part of the program's social media strategy. With that in mind, can we PLEASE STOP wiping information from this article merely because it doesn't reflect the current state of affairs? First it was David John Oates, now we're seeing it with Richard Hoagland. In general, the article lacks a history section, despite the program having a rather significant history. Information about the program's early history is buried in Art Bell's article, almost as if to suggest a POV fork. It seems like most recent editing activity consists of subtle warring between Bell fanboys and Noory fanboys. Edits such as these may distract people from realizing that our purpose here is to cover this entity as a whole. If I wanted the program's official website, I can go to the official website itself without having to read a half-assed version of it here. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Were the edit I reverted left to stand, the remaining mention of Hoagland in the article would fall far short of reflecting the role he has played over the program's history. Was that the intention here? I'm confused. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This edit is extremely puzzling to me. Regardless of what Wikipedia is or what .User:RadioKAOS thinks it is or is not, it is a fact that Hoagland has been replaced as "science adviser" by Robert Zimmerman. Surely this page should not be supplying information that is objectively incorrect? Stu (talk) 19:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You appear to be missing or possibly even avoiding my point. Yes, THAT should be changed. What you did, however, is reduce the mention of Hoagland in the article to next to nothing because he's not currently appearing on the program, regardless of the rather substantial role he has played for practically the program's entire history. At least that's the impression I developed when taking your edit along with the edit summary into consideration. It's the same problem as with the editor who decided that readers don't need to know that David John Oates was banned from the program for many years because that ban has since been rescinded. I haven't even said a whole lot about how minimal the mention of Art Bell is in the article compared to the role he's played in the program's history, apart from pointing out how it appears as if that's all been shoved off into his article. What, encyclopedic information about a radio program is germane to a biographical article but not germane to the article about the radio program itself? No, I don't get it at all. In summary, the problem should be a pretty easy-to-understand case of undue weight. I did a lot of cleanup on this article, but I'm not about to do all of it. Then again, the problem could very well be that I'm stubborn and not willing to accept how it appears that Wikipedia is moving away from being an information resource and moving towards being a shameless copy of the mediocrity and historical revisionism found everywhere else on the web. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Implemented. Stu (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Someone put the date this show started

Thanks. I would, but I don't know.

Doubledragons (talk) 02:41, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As I've been pointing out, the development of this article has reflected a nearly complete lack of interest in/regard for/respect of the program's history. I'm not so sure that adding a start date but not tackling the overall history would be helpful. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that the program entered national syndication in 1993. The evening/late-night talk radio airwaves had been dominated by Larry King, who left radio to concentrate on his CNN deal. Art Bell competed with Jim Bohannon and Alan Colmes to pick up those time slots, but it didn't take very long for Coast to prevail. The actual history of the show beyond its national syndication is a bit murkier. I first heard of Bell in 1990 and faintly remember hearing that it began that same year as a local show in Lost Wages, but I've also heard references to other years. It definitely was a local/regional program prior to 1993; its local roots have a lot to do with the whole "East of the Rockies/West of the Rockies" thing. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Recurring guests

I see that in 2012 those without articles were removed. I have no idea what the criteria for "recurring guests" is, but besides needing evidence, eg an article, that they are notable, there should be some criteria with a source. Doug Weller talk 16:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should once again remove those who don't have articles. Note that some of the names that have no wikilinks do have articles, such as Dick Morris. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:03, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Guy Macon here. John Carter (talk) 20:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Guy Macon and John Carter: what's a recurring guest? We need sources. I see Marrs is mentioned, but his own article only says he appeared on it. Note that I've removed the claim "exhaustive debunking" and a little more hype from his entry. One of my concerns is the promotional aspect of these entries. We could change the section heading. Doug Weller talk 20:37, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If all those listed as banned guests were recurring guests who appeared more than once earlier, the guests section could be rewritten with those who have been and may continue to appear on the show listed or described first, and a second paragraph or untitled section of those who have since been banned following? John Carter (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As for the definitions of "recurring", I would like to see a source that lists who has appeared as a guest. Then we can arbitrarily pick a number that works. For example, if only a handful have been on three times, we pick three times as the criteria. If a boatload of guests have been on three times, we arbitrarily pick five. Or seven. or a hundred. Whatever gives us a manageable size for the list. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The Coast to Coast AM website has an unsorted section on guests but it would look to take a long time to go through. John Carter (talk) 20:35, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How about we go the old fashioned way and require a reliable source that finds being a recurring guest notable enough to report? If the CtC website lists guests then those interested can access that website.MrBill3 (talk) 06:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I could go with that if I had good access to radio trade publications, but I don't, so I am in the process of going through the CtC guest listings. That might take some time. Through May 2005 Hoagland was on over 50 times. But we probably will want to add somewhere in the article that the show's webpage breaks their programming into various topical sections and maybe indicate which guests repeat regarding which sections.John Carter (talk) 02:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

There could be a survey on how whats presented aligns with peoples' beliefs. For example, Some episodes that feature an expert on werewolves and vampires may sound purely fictional. This can portray a program that is not as it appears, as was the case with the WWE when it asserted its acts were not fake [1]. A charge the WWE later had to admit to [2]. Similarly there is no solid conclusion that at least some of the Coast To Coast AM presentation are not staged to some level. It would be good to have more independent analysis. --64.142.72.248 (talk) 06:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The comparison with WWE you propose would be WP:OR, but luckily there are plenty of independent and WP:RS reliable sources (a number of them academic) available to construct a well-referenced criticism section. Which I have done.- LuckyLouie (talk) 18:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for working on this, —PaleoNeonate – 00:03, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of affiliates

It might be useful to AM DX enthusiasts if we posted a list of radio stations that air this program. --  Denelson83  07:20, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MOS improvements

Did some cleanup of sections and redundancies. Since the article has been largely curated over the years by fans, it contains a lot of unselected and unverified WP:TRIVIA. Cutting down the "Guests" section to a reasonable number of examples would be a further improvement. - LuckyLouie (talk) 17:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coast to Coast Prediction Show

The article is not quite correct on allowing/not allowing callers to predict the President would be assassinated/die in office.

When Art Bell was the host, he did not allow it. He likely allowed it initially as he mentioned that he was contacted by the Secret Service over it.

When George Noory was the host, it seems he did not allow it when George W. Bush was President, but had no problem for several years with people predicting Obama would be assassinated. Towards the end of Obama's time in office, Noory reinstituted the ban.

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