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I create this timeline to better show the emperors during the time. Maddiberna (talk) 09:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion on the reign of Emperor Kogon

The List of Emperors of Japan shows Emperor Kōgon to have reigned from 1331 to 1333.

The article Northern Court shows Emperor Kōgon to have reigned from 1332 to 1333.

The article Emperor Kōgon shows Emperor Kōgon to have reigned from 1332 to 1333 AND from 1331 to 1333.

Murdoch's History of Japan indicates that Kōgon reigned from 1331 to 1333. (Volume I, page 545)

I'm not an expert in Japanese history so I have no idea of how to correct this confusion. I'm studying Japanese history and would like to not be confused any more. :) Iowaplayer (talk) 17:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The 1332 dates are both referenced to Titsingh (1834). The Emperor Kōgon article goes even further to state that According to pre-Meiji scholars, his reign spanned the years from 1332 ... (which I don't know whether this is generally true for all pre-Meiji scholars). In any case 1331 seems to be the currently accepted date and is also found at the Imperial Household Agency. bamse (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Undefined Obscure terminology.

What does "presumed legendary" mean? Looking through the sources and some google searches shows nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.119.61 (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(I did not put it there.) I understand it to mean that it is generally (by historians) believed/presumed that these emperors were legendary (did not exist for real). bamse (talk) 21:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"traditional dates"?

I had to scroll down quite far to figure out what this actually meant. For the first several dozen for whom firm dates cannot be established, it seems to refer to the dates being speculative/legendary/traditional, but its continuing down to Emperor Ninkō means it appears to refer to dates according to the Japanese calendar. Mixing these two definitions of "traditional" (the former useful, the latter not) is obviously inappropriate and should probably be amended in the long term, but checking all the dates according to the Gregorian calendar would be a fairly massive undertaking. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not right, no. "Traditional dates" means "dates according to legend, or at any rate unsubstantiated". It does to me and will to most readers I think, *especially* since the same phrase actually is used for ancient emperors with their vital statistics shrouded in the mists of history.

If we want to say "according to the Japanese calendar" or "according to the Julian calendar" or "by interpolation from the Japanese calendar" or whatever, we should say that. Anyway we ought to be able to get a better source for emperors of recent centuries than a French book from 1834. Herostratus (talk) 02:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Personal names for all of the early emperors are not their personal names

The names given as the personal name of the earliest emperors are not their personal names (諱), but their Japanese style posthumous names (和風諡号). Jimmu's personal name was not Kamu-yamato Iware-biko no Mikoto/Sumeramikoto (神倭伊波礼琵古命/神日本磐余彦天皇), this is his Japanese style posthumous name. His personal name was Hikohohodemi (彦火々出見). I will look into fixing this, possibly making another row for Japanese style posthumous name for the earliest emperors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.52.60.246 (talk) 23:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]