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Proposing to add the infobox building template to the page. It provides a great way of summarising the page in a couple of field. [[User:Smithr32|Smithr32]] ([[User talk:Smithr32|talk]]) 14:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Proposing to add the infobox building template to the page. It provides a great way of summarising the page in a couple of field. [[User:Smithr32|Smithr32]] ([[User talk:Smithr32|talk]]) 14:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - this was debated at length, albeit some time ago. I believe the position is broadly - infoboxes aren’t mandated and should be considered on an article-by-article basis. The consensus view here was not to include an IB. I’m not sure if anything has changed since the last discussion. I doubt very much the view of the main editor has, but am pinging him so we can find out, {{U|Giano}}. I appreciate the “Own” position, but believe that the views of the main editor/s should be a factor for consideration. Lastly, I’m aware of the dreadful time-sink these discussions have been, and continue to be, as well as the extraordinary acrimony they generate. Are there really no better ways we could collectively work to improve the encyclopaedia than to re-litigate this topic? I say this as one who has included infoboxes in every FA I’ve contributed to, but I am quite willing to accept that my personal preferences are not universally shared. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 17:31, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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Citation request removed

I've removed a request for citation from 2012 that was at the end of this sentence: "When Henrietta died, the title passed to Marlborough's grandson Charles Spencer, Earl of Sunderland, whose mother was Marlborough's second daughter Anne." The succession of the Dukes of Marlborough has been pretty well established in the last 300 years and I see no reason to call for a citation on it in an article on Blenheim. ~ Brother William (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree with you more. If someone is unhappy with that and the Marlborough succession, let them take it up with the College of Heralds. These days Wikipedia seems to be full of ridiculous people wanting cites for the blatantly obvious. Giano (talk) 19:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of "Blenheim"

The two pronunciations given were contradictory, so I added IPA and pronunciation respelling for the pronunciation given by the OED. The /ɪm/ ending was already reflected by the article and is the one I would hear locally near the house. I have also heard /əm/ elsewhere, possibly by analogy with places ending -ham. -moogsi(blah) 20:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image size

The size of the top image's width, takes up over half the article's mainspace widith. Per MOS:IMAGES (yes, I know it's just a manual of style), we should reduce its size. GoodDay (talk) 18:35, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Life would be so simple if a single set of rules universally applied in all situations. Unfortunately, there is no such nirvana, and common sense is required. The current image is fine. Rather than suggesting the size be changed because the rules say so, please identify an actual problem with this article. Johnuniq (talk) 23:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The image covers over half the width of the article. We're an encylopedia, not a photo album. GoodDay (talk) 23:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with subjective criteria like this, is that one man's (or woman's) photo album is another's well-illustrated article. Add to that that this article is about a palace and that it has to look, well, palatial, you get into conundrums of this type. Size does matter in this case. Palaces have to look big, so do their pictures. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The whole point of this page is to demonstrate and describe the architecture and history of the building. That architecture cannot be fully appreciated if readers are prevented from viewing that architecture in the simplest possible way - a detailed image that's easy to see. One wonders what sort of people invent these ridiculous rules, and what sort of people spend their lives trying to enforce them. Giano (talk) 18:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No consensus to reduce image's size = keep (500px) status-quo. I hear yas :) GoodDay (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tenure

I may be wrong, but I believe that the Blenheim estate is unique in some way as to its tenure, possibly through some grant of Queen Anne's, and not ordinary freehold. If any legal expert can explicate this it would add interest to the article. Seadowns (talk) 22:49, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seadowns - I think you may be referring to Fact 13, here, [1] which is covered in The palace today section, here:
As of October 2016, the Marlboroughs still have to tender a copy of the French royal flag to the Monarch on the anniversary of the Battle of Blenheim as rent for the land that Blenheim Palace stands on.

KJP1 (talk) 07:05, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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"Monumental Country House"?

Both Chatsworth and Castle Howard (structures of comparable size and national importance) are simply described in the lede as 'Stately Homes'. Any particular reason for this specific description? Hanoi Road (talk) 13:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adjusted - but I would be OK with the previous description if anyone has strong views. Dormskirk (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is describes as monumental because unlike all other “stately” homes it was built literally as a monument as well as a home. I believe this is unique in Britain. It is a designed monument and mausoleum to the 1st Duke and his military glories. The text does explain this. Giano (talk) 16:51, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds fair to me. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 16:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Building

Proposing to add the infobox building template to the page. It provides a great way of summarising the page in a couple of field. Smithr32 (talk) 14:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - this was debated at length, albeit some time ago. I believe the position is broadly - infoboxes aren’t mandated and should be considered on an article-by-article basis. The consensus view here was not to include an IB. I’m not sure if anything has changed since the last discussion. I doubt very much the view of the main editor has, but am pinging him so we can find out, Giano. I appreciate the “Own” position, but believe that the views of the main editor/s should be a factor for consideration. Lastly, I’m aware of the dreadful time-sink these discussions have been, and continue to be, as well as the extraordinary acrimony they generate. Are there really no better ways we could collectively work to improve the encyclopaedia than to re-litigate this topic? I say this as one who has included infoboxes in every FA I’ve contributed to, but I am quite willing to accept that my personal preferences are not universally shared. KJP1 (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]