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I have removed the disambiguation template from this page and redesignated the page as a set index article. It may be more appropriate to treat it as a list. Considering the ubiquity of Confederate monuments and memorials that are referred to generically as "confederate monument", it is not tenable to treat the term "Confederate Monument" as a proper name uniquely belonging to places listed on the National Register of Historic Places under the title "Confederate Monument." --Orlady (talk) 23:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I restored a short disambiguation page now at Confederate Monument, and moved the SIA / list-article that Orlady has been developing in mainspace, to List of Confederate monuments. --doncram (talk) 14:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know that there are two confederate monuments in Luray, VA.155.70.39.45 (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am inclined

to change the title of this article to Confederate monuments. Which is to say, remove the capitol M, because, why is it there? And then make it plural because that are many monuments. A lot more than are listed now. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:13, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to be bold and move this to "List of monuments and memorials of the Confederate States of America" similar to a commons cat of the same idea. Brandonrush (talk) 21:42, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also

I am going to start (or at least consider starting) adding monuments to individual CSA persons of interest in this article. Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee Stonewall Jackson and probably others. Carptrash (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More to add to the list:

—Fluous (talk) 05:33, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One of the issues

list type of articles such as this one always need to deal with is, do we include just monuments that have articles about them, or are referred to in other articles, or do we just list every CSA monument that we can find? I am inclined to keep the focus of this article on other wikipedia links, but will not start to slash and burn until I hear from you. Of course, "don't hear from you" has the same effect. No comment is the same as a "GO FOR IT, CARPTRASH posting. Carptrash (talk) 15:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proper place?

Where would be the proper place to mention the ongoing public discussion of removal of some of these monuments? Likewise the various states that have added things like "Heritage Protection Acts" to prevent their removal (North Carolina, Georgia, et al.) Wcmaney (talk) 14:24, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion and associated removals by now merit their own article, in my view. (Alabama has also by recent statute prohibited their removal.) deisenbe (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Wcmaney and User:Deisenbe: I've just created Alabama Memorial Preservation Act. Feel free to expand it.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A possibly interesting collection of readers' views on this question is "Confederate or not, which monuments should stay or go? We asked, you answered," Washington Post, June 6, 2017, https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/06/06/confederate-or-not-which-monuments-should-stay-or-go-we-asked-you-answered/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na Note the appended comments. deisenbe (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I created a category of Removed Monuments and Memorials of the Confederate States of America on May 10th. It was deleted on May 18. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_May_10#Category:Removed_Monuments_and_Memorials_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America) deisenbe (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I like the mentions in the article as they are, with this suggestion: The church attack in South Carolina seems to have led to the current trend of removal/relocation everywhere, so that information might be moved from under the Louisiana list to the closing paragraph of the article lead. Also, the format of lists for states in which monuments have been removed or relocated is not consistent and could be cleaned up. For Arizona, 2017 info is before the list, for LA and VA it's after, under its own subheading, and for Missouri it's included with a particular item (I did that before examining the others). I would recommend lists first, noting monuments no longer standing or in new locations, then additional information in a paragraph after to clarify. I seek any thoughts before I do bold edits. RM2KX (talk) 23:32, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed

the following section from the Monument Avenue in Richmond VA section. it is in regards to the Arthur Ashe monument:

"The latter's addition to the Confederate leaders in 1996 was controversial. statues stand at the moment is a default endorsement of a shameful past that divided the nation. And to me, it defies my mission of one Richmond. You, I want to be a city that is tolerant, inclusive, and embraces its diversity, and those statues without contest do not do that".^[1]"

Although it is referenced it does not (opinion) not belong in this article, which is a list. Carptrash (talk) 16:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Times-Dispatch, ROBERT ZULLO Richmond. "As Confederate monuments come down elsewhere, can Richmond 'offer something else?'". Richmond Times-Dispatch. Retrieved 2017-05-28.

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Crossing out of removed monuments?

Isn't it sufficient to include the date the monument was removed? Or perhaps create a separate section within the page that lists removed items? Crossing out seems inconsistent with any other wikipedia framework I have ever seen. It also strikes me as mildly POV in that it reads at first glance like a task list someone is crossing off from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.67.136.236 (talk) 23:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Times-Dispatch, ROBERT ZULLO Richmond. "As Confederate monuments come down elsewhere, can Richmond 'offer something else?'". Richmond Times-Dispatch. Retrieved 2017-05-28.

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