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Possible better name

Not going to open a formal move request (yet), but there is a pretty good chance that we see further retaliation from Iran, and maybe even more retaliation from Israel. I believe it would be better to narrow it down, although it could wait until if there are future strikes. RPI2026F1 (talk) 04:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A possible move would be to remove the word "retaliatory" from the title as it may be an unnecessary disambiguator but I'm not biased to either title. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 04:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe in the future, we condense down all future strikes into a single article? I don't know if each potential future round of retaliation will be worthy of independent articles, just as there is not an article for every strike the proxy groups do to Israel. RPI2026F1 (talk) 04:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well if there is further rounds of retaliation there is likely to be a full-blown war, which would certainly have its own article, but I see your point. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 04:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will suggest to merge the article with 2024 Iranian Attack in Israel. And rename that article’s name to “2024 Iran-Israel Conflict” or War” Grabup (talk) 04:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a war yet, conflict is likely a good stop-gap from now. It's a personal opinion that the world superpowers will not allow the conflict to escalate to a full-on war, as unlike the Russian "special military operation", there is near-unanimous calls for "restraint" from the rest of the world. RPI2026F1 (talk) 04:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There already is an article about the conflict itself and full war is not certain yet, so I think for now it is fine. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 04:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name of this article should be changed. The first “actual” retaliatory attack article is titled “2024 Iranian strikes in Israel” without mentioning “retaliatory” word at the title and how come this article can be titled as retaliatory? People will say that Wikipedia is biased to Israel.

I don’t think this is a retaliatory attack as Israel provoked Iran first and the “actual” retaliation is done by Iran not Israel. Grabup (talk) 05:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they both were retaliations, as the two countries seem to be wrapped up in a big retaliation cycle, and don't show signs of wanting to stop it. I agree with the name change but there should be a RM first rather than moving without consensus. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 05:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isreal-iran conflict

What meant by the deployment of defense systems after isreali attack not before? 106.205.139.216 (talk) 05:03, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To deter further strikes. M Waleed (talk) 06:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 April 2024

It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran be renamed and moved to 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan.

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2024 Israeli retaliatory strikes in Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan – This is a retaliation to a retaliation, but that article was not named as a retaliation. So the same should apply here, and it would get more confusing if Iran retaliates to this attack. It would be weird to call such article a retaliation to a retaliation to a retaliation, this hasn't been done before. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The name of this article should be changed. The first “actual” retaliatory attack article is titled “2024 Iranian strikes in Israel” without mentioning “retaliatory” word at the title and how come this article can be titled as retaliatory? People will say that Wikipedia is biased to Israel. I don’t think this is a retaliatory attack as Israel provoked Iran first and the “actual” retaliation is done by Iran not Israel. Grabup (talk) 05:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As @Bigfatman8766, said the attack is also targeted Iraq and Syria. I will suppor the alternative name given, “2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria” for now, if anyone came with better name then maybe I support it. Grabup (talk) 06:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As said, this is not the first retaliation and as such should not be biased to be the only retaliation which names such in the title. The title "2024 Israeli strikes in Iran" (or Isfahan) is far more neutral and does not put the blame on Iran for being the igniter of this retaliation chain. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 05:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Now there is confirmation that some hit Iraq and Syria as well. Should the title include these as well? Maybe 2024 Israeli retaliatory strikes in Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria? Although does seem a little too long, is there any other suggestions? Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for alternative As per Bigfatman8766, the strikes is not only directed at Iran itself. 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria will work best. Yxuibs (talk) 06:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran,Iraq and Syria , that name suits more as strikes were not only in Iran but also Babylon and Baghdad in Iraq and Daraa and Sudais in Syria as well M Waleed (talk) 06:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as "retaliatory" in this article but not for the Iranian drone strikes implies that Iran did it unprovoked, which is false GLORIOUSEXISTENCE (talk) 07:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 19 April 2024

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Please add the article move discussion box at the top of the page, the discussion above is active Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done by Bot. Grabup (talk) 05:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why it is "retaliatory strikes" if it's by Israel but only "strikes" if it's by Iran?

The article title "2024 Israeli retaliatory strikes in Iran" appears to have a bias by including the word "retaliatory." In contrast, the title of the article about the 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel did not use this term, even though Iran's actions were also in response to Israel's prior attack on the Iranian consulate in Syria.

To maintain a more neutral and objective tone, I suggest removing the word "retaliatory" from the title of the article about Israel's strikes. This change would help ensure that both articles are presented in a more balanced manner, without implying a difference in the motivations behind each country's actions. 3skandar (talk) 06:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick Support, already commented to the move request.

Grabup (talk) 06:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]