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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

This edit request to April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on United States university campuses has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Hi there, I am a long term reader of Wikipedia. this was my 1st attempted edit. I felt that it was important to give more information about the cancelling of Asna Tabassum, 2024 Valedictorian at USC, reflecting who she is. (I find her a remarkable inspiration!) I saw this interview of her from Wednesday 4 24 24 on Democracy Now, and was very moved by what she shared. I wanted to learn more and went on Wiki, but found little info about her. So I attempted to add a few quotes, that would help readers understand more of the issue around this Valedictorian speech cancellation, a 1st in USC history. Here is the edit I offered: Please feel free to include it or not, and correct formatting or not. Warm Regards, Dr. Suzanne Lerner PS I tried to copy the citation format, but have no previous experience coding, so I did my best. Feel free to change it.

Not done: — hako9 (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Southern California

USC claimed they were cancelling their invitation for Asna to give the USC 2024 Valedictorians speech, due to safety reasons. Asna was given no details as to what the security threats or what the security concerns were. When she asked for details regarding the security concerns — for example, were they security concerns about her or her classmates? — She was offered no information and was told it was not appropriate for her to know.

Asna was chosen out of a group of 100 students with a GPA > than 3.9, Asna has a Major in Bio-Medical Engineering, and a Minor is Resistance to Genocide. As she stated in an interview recorded Wednesday, 4 24 24 on Democracy Now: "I see my major and my minor working together, for the very same goal, is that, you know, my minor in resistance to genocide allows me to study the human condition at possibly one of its worst conditions, and then biomedical engineering is my way of learning technically how we can improve the human condition through increasing health accessibility." While some groups used an article she had posted a link to, to claim that she was promoting a one State solution, Asna points out that in the very next paragraph, "there are paragraphs and information relating to the two-state solution, as well...as the one-state. The sentence right after the one you just quoted (about a possible one state solution) talks about coexistence between Arabs and Jews." Asna added that "In no way am I advocating for hate. I am only advocating for human equality and for the sanctity of human life when I say that Palestinians, as well as Jews, as well as Muslims and Armenians and anyone else who is invested in this conflict, has the equal right to life and the equal privilege of the fullest extent to life."

<ref>Goodman, Amy. "Meet USC Valedictorian Asna Tabassum: School Cancels Commencement Speech by Pro-Palestinian Student". Democracy Now. Retrieved 23 April 2024.,/ref> Suzanne2.0 (talk) 01:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: There is no consensus on the reliability of Democracy Now, and attribution is recommended if it is used as a source. It would probably be best to use a different source, which should be easy to find since this has been widely covered.

Aside from that, the details seem a bit out of scope for this article. This amount of context could be useful in an article about her, this event, or the USC protests in general - but in this case we probably don't need more than a sentence or two. Jamedeus (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should "Unrest" be a term?

Protests have turned violent in some cases. Should the term "Unrest" be used? SpringField23402 (talk) 15:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cite your source on the protests turning violent. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you cite? SpringField23402 (talk) 14:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just copy-paste the link to the source here if you want. Or read WP:CITE -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/24/us/columbia-protests-mike-johnson SpringField23402 (talk) 12:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. @ElijahPepe, I can't read the full article; if you can, can you reply? Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The claim that the protests are growing violent was made by speaker Mike Johnson, who was attempting to amplify his message. Until several sources have claimed so, it woukd not be prudent to state the protests are violent. I support using "civil unrest" to reflect the increasing conflict between protesters and law enforcement, however. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So that's a yes? Unrest should be a term in this event? SpringField23402 (talk) 18:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Civil unrest. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it SpringField23402 (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International?

I'm seeing reports of solidarity encampments at universities in France, Italy and Australia. Is there a separate page for that? Kire1975 (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kire1975: The page has been renamed with a wider scope, so it's no longer restricted to US universities. Boud (talk) 01:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What rename do you refer to? I see "April 2024 pro-Palestinian protests across US universities, which seems to still be very US exclusive (contrary to the "International" subheader)

(later edit: It seems it was changed and now turned back to US, you can ignore this reply)

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 12:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What can I do with photos we took at the University of Texas at Austin protest?

I'd like them to be used on the page somewhere, if it is possible.

How could this be done? Irisoptical (talk) 23:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Irisoptical: Upload them to Wikimedia Commons. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heyo! Do I have the rights to those photos then? I don't want to get into any legal trouble for taking pictures of the protest or police at the protest. I really want to show people what happened though. Irisoptical (talk) 08:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if you took the photos then you own the rights to them. As far as I'm aware there's nothing illegal about taking photos of a protest in Texas. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 11:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you! I'll get to it right away. Any tips on adding them to pages? I know this page is locked but I would like to have one of my pictures added once I add them to wikipedia Irisoptical (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can handle adding your photographs once you upload them. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need to flesh out more of these university subsections

Obviously when this settles down of course, and while information is flowing in we can continue to fill in each subsection as necessary.

But some of these protests might have only one source referencing them and could probably be concatenated into a single section of "Other colleges", when this settles down (whenever that happens).

Some of these schools could probably be their own wikipages at this point too. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 02:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am currently doing a rewrite now. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uni of Copenhagen source(s)?

There's only a Fediverse video for yesterday's solidarity protest at the University of Copenhagen. Any proper sources? Boud (talk) 18:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 April 2024

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Students on at least 33 universities participated on encampments with include

1-City University of New York - NYC 2- The New School - NYC 3- University of Rochester - Rochester, NY 4- University of California at Berkeley Berkeley, CA 5- University of Southern California Los Angeles 6- California State Polytechnic University 7- Yale University - New Haven, CT 8- Northwestern University - Evanston, IL 9- University of Maryland - College Park, MD 10- Harvard University - Boston 11- The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) - Cambridge, MA 12- Columbia University 13- Tufts - Medford, MA The University of 14- Michigan - Ann Arbor, MI 15- University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 16- University of Nevada - Las Vegas Princeton 17-University - Princeton, NJ 18- University of New Mexico - Albuquerque, 19- Ohio State University - Columbus, OH 20- UNC Chapel Hill - Chapel Hill, NC 21- University of North Carolina - Charlotte, 22- Temple University - Philadelphia 23- University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh, PA 24- Brown University - Providence, RI 25- Vanderbilt - Nashville, TN 26- Florida international University - Miami 27- University of Puget Sound - Tacoma, WA 28- University of Kansas - Lawrence, KS 29- University of Arizona - Tucson 30- Texas A&M - College Station, TX 31- University of Texas - Austin - Austin, TX 32- University of Texas at Dallas - Dallas, Texas 33- Indiana University Purdue University - Indianapolis

. 108.41.217.76 (talk) 05:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 06:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International-sources

Not sure how merge proposal or page scope will be dealt with; ~~the article has no Outside US section so far but~~ see above. So here are some sources if anyone feels like ~~creating a section and~~ adding them:

-Paris

-Rome

Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International section is here to add content to. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 09:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, I had missed it! -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done .....But now the page has been moved with a title restricted to 'US',,,,can we address this? @CommunityNotesContributor and Makeandtoss:-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC) (As for overcite, feel free to remove the sources you think redundant)[reply]

I think this is fine and was the right move by @Makeandtoss. It was premature to rename the article (without consensus) when the topic is predominantly US universities. Just because there has been a few international protests this doesn't warrant a name change, mainly because these international protests are not notable enough to have their own article. Pinging @ElijahPepe who made the original move. [1] CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am also unaware of any major student protests taking place outside of US that has garnered significant coverage. Either way, the US protests deserves a standalone article per the WP:Notability guideline. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No one is arguing the U.S. protests do not deserve an article, but rather that this is a worldwide phenomenon. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Barnard College and Rutgers University

Alongside Columbia University, Barnard is taking action to suspend those involved with the encampments. Additionally, there have been encampments occurring at Rutgers University in New Jersey.

These are possibly worth noting in the article 69.74.33.158 (talk) 17:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Smith College

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Add Smith College in Northampton MA to the list
The protest there has been going on longer than most of the more publicized ones
https://theshoestring.org/2024/04/10/shut-down-this-genocide-inside-the-smith-college-sit-in/

Rmacleod18 (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::::::''Civil'' unrest. <span style="font-family: monospace;">[[User talk:ElijahPepe|elijahpepe@wikipedia]] (he/him)</span> 19:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::::Got it [[User:SpringField23402|SpringField23402]] ([[User talk:SpringField23402|talk]]) 19:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 == International? ==