Talk:Gigi Hadid

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New racism section, is anything inaccurate or missing

It is mostly compiling from the German wiki and other parts of the article, but I would appreciate a quick review whether something is wrong, missing or poorly phrased? FortunateSons (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grossly inappropriate per the previous discussions and policies identified in them. --Hipal (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would you like me to rewrite something specific? The incidents do exist and are covered to the degree specified within WP:BLP FortunateSons (talk) 20:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And just to clarify, the issue that ended the last discussion was the fact that the topic was covered by WP:ARBECR or primarily affecting social media posts. Do you believe this to be case here? FortunateSons (talk) 20:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find it extremely concerning that you summarize the previous discussions in such a manner. Best focus on content policy. --Hipal (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Noticeboard was removed due to policy, and a primary argument by you was NOTNEWS/SCANDAL/SOAPBOX based on the fact that the focus was social media post, to quote you on 18:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC):
If the topic focuses on social media posts, as this does, it's not only NOTNEWS, but WP:SOAP tending toward WP:NOTSCANDAL. As I said, the narrative is skewed away from the better sources. She's a high profile figure that gets name-dropped for the attention. BLPN would be helpful in getting the article cleaned up, as I see a lot of content that's questionable, only getting press because of who she is. FortunateSons (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most other debates with other people hat a (in my opinion, partially justified and partially unjustified) focus on the sources and NPOV, something that is less of an issue based on the fact that I mostly used CNN, FAZ and ABC here and am willing to work on phrasing regarding tone. FortunateSons (talk) 21:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a debate. I'm unclear if you understand any of the policies that have been brought up. We're not going to come to the required consensus if that problem remains. --Hipal (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do have a language barrier (C1, but still), so that is a possibility. Could you explain what the specific issue with my edit is? Do you agree that ABC, CNN and FAZ are generally reliable? FortunateSons (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. This is not a venue to assist editors who have language difficulties. --Hipal (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think it is a language difficulty per se, I wrote exams in that language and got pretty good results. If you think I don’t understand the policy (which is possible), I would appreciate you explaining where the specific issue is instead of broadly gesturing towards a policy. FortunateSons (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request: include the vogue italia photoshoot on the wiki page

Topic:

Hadid appears on a vogue italia cover with very tanned skin. She is accused of using Blackface. She apologizes and explains that she did not have control over the shoot. The issue received relatively widespread media attention, both conventional and on social media.

Sourcing: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-apology-steven-klein-twitter-instagram-a8335856.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/entertainment/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface/index.html https://www.insider.com/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-accusations-2018-5?amp

More (in German) https://newsv2.orf.at/stories/2436733/ https://www.rnd.de/panorama/gigi-hadid-entschuldigt-sich-fur-vogue-cover-J5COJ4A7GGAGFDQUBZHV4ZRCPE.html?outputType=valid_amp FortunateSons (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Optional: also include the first controversy with the same publication.
Issue: received significantly less media attention, so sourcing is lower quality.
Source:
Last Lines in https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-05/gigi-hadid-and-vogue-italia-apologize-for-darkened-skin-tone/9731122 and https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-apology-steven-klein-twitter-instagram-a8335856.html, one paragraph in https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/04/entertainment/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface/index.html FortunateSons (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like clear NOTNEWS. It was out of her control.
In the future, it's helpful to provide basic reference information, especially publication dates. --Hipal (talk) 01:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn’t know that this was common practice; these articles are from 2018, the first incident was in 2015.
Could you explain how it is WP:NOTNEWS? While it was not directly within her control, it was (to my understanding) the second instance with this publication and typical of the artist. She also apologised, which is not generally something that indicates irrelevance. FortunateSons (talk) 02:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:IDHT. --Hipal (talk) 02:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that this is your view, and appreciate your candor. Is there a more appropriate forum for this question, or would using something like BLPN be inappropriate? FortunateSons (talk) 02:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Until you can demonstrate a basic understanding of relevant content policies, it's likely to be a waste of time for all involved while putting you in an increasingly bad light. --Hipal (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I’m happy to re-read the relevant policies before making a request on BLPN. Do you feel like I lack understanding of anything except WP:NOTNEWS? FortunateSons (talk) 17:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've already discussed this on your talk page. --Hipal (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you direct me to towards which of your comments answers this question? Or are you referring to “ I'm not sure I can help you, and don't feel it would be worth my time given the problems I've already identified. ” FortunateSons (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Death threats and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

This information was reverted, with the following edit summary: "at least some appears UNDUE and has been discussed on talk page". She is of Palestinian descent. How can her pro-Palestinian stance and death threats against her be WP:UNDUE?

Hadid has supported Palestine and criticized the Israeli occupation for many years.[1][2] In October 2023, she expressed concern over the humanitarian situation in Gaza during the Israel–Hamas war.[3] She and her family have received death threats for their pro-Palestinian stance.[4]

References

  1. ^ "Supermodel Bella Hadid called an 'Israel hater' by far-right, pro-settler minister". The Guardian. 25 August 2023.
  2. ^ "Bella Hadid speaks out on Israel terror attack and Palestine airstrikes: 'My heart is bleeding'". The Independent. 26 October 2023.
  3. ^ "Gigi Hadid, Bella Hadid receive death threats for supporting Palestine: reports". The Express Tribune. 17 October 2023.
  4. ^ "Gigi Hadid, Bella Hadid receive death threats for supporting Palestine". The Business Standard. 26 October 2023.

-- Tobby72 (talk) 20:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What don't you understand regarding the relevant policies and previous discussions? --Hipal (talk) 22:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please point where in previous discussions it was decided that her stance regarding the Israeli occupation shouldn't be mentioned at all. Only the accusations of antisemitism were disregarded and rightly so. How is this different from any of the other movements she supports and are included in the article? - Ïvana (talk) 04:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Afaict, there is no previous discussion of the death threats. Gigi's views on Palestine are missing from her bio. Burrobert (talk) 05:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the confusion. Bella vs Gigi, editing by apparent fans vs anti-fans, I lost track.
It all comes down to what references we have available and relevant policies. For references: WP:RS, WP:IS, and WP:BLPRS. As to the POV issues: WP:NOT (especially NOTNEWS), WP:RECENTISM, WP:POV.
There appeared to be better references regarding Bella than Gigi. Do we have any in-depth references available on Gigi's views? Last we discussed on Bella's talk page, it was unclear if editors understand the basics of what references are appropriate in a BLP. --Hipal (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's quite an alphabet soup, lacking any specific connection to the current discussion. Her views on the Israeli occupation and genocide were sourced to the Guardian and the Independent. We should not participate in the attempted erasure of Palestine by hiding her views from readers. Here are some more sources:
  • Hadid and her sister, Gigi, who is also a supermodel, are vocal supporters of Palestinian rights whose social media posts reach tens of millions of followers.[1]
  • This Newsweek article details Gigi’s views over time.[2]
  • Here’s a RollingStone article which discusses Gigi’s push back about the popular Israeli tactic of conflatiing support for Palestinians with antisemitism.[3]
  • It appears that the Israel government was concerned enough about Gigi’s influence that it responded on Instagram to her statements.[4]
  • A Newsweek article from 2021 details her views at the time.[5] Burrobert (talk) 07:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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