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Chart to track fairing recovery

Currently in the article there doesn't appear to be a way to track the success on fairing recovery by catching in a net. I recommend that either an existing chart include this metric or an additional chart be added. War (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What should be done in cases where there is more then one outcome? For example the Starlink launch L10 v1.0 had one fairing caught while the other was recovered out of the water. OkayKenji (talk • contribs) 22:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  •   Fairing catch success
  •   Splashdown recovery
  •   No attempt
  •   No fairing
Reference material - used the refs from the main page
Launch Fairing A Fairing B Ref
2019
#67 No attempt No attempt [1]
#68 No attempt No attempt [2]
#69 No fairing No fairing (Dragon)
FH 2 Splashdown recovery (Go Navigator/Searcher) Splashdown recovery (Go Navigator/Searcher) [3]
#70 No fairing No fairing (Dragon)
#71 Splashdown recovery (Go Navigator/Searcher) Splashdown recovery (Go Navigator/Searcher) [4]
#72 No attempt No attempt [5]
FH 3 Successful Catch (Go Ms. Tree) Splashdown recovery [?] [6]
#73 No fairing No fairing (Dragon)
#74 Successful Catch (Go Ms. Tree) Splashdown recovery [7][8]
#75 No attempt No attempt [9]
#76 No fairing No fairing (Dragon)
#77 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Tree/Chief) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Tree/Chief) [10]
2020
#78 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) [?] [11]
#79 No fairing No fairing (Dragon)
#80 Successful catch (Go Ms Tree) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Chief) [?] [12]
#81 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) [?] Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Chief) [?] [13]
#82 No fairing No fairing (Dragon)
#83 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Chief) [14]
#84 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Chief) [8]
#85 No fairing No fairing (Dragon)
#86 [?] - Splashdown recovery [?] -Splashdown recovery
#87 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Chief) [15]
#88 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Chief) "while both fairings were recovered out of the water without attempting a catch in the net."
#89 Successful catch (Go Ms Tree) Successful catch (Go Ms Chief) [16]
#90 Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) [?] Splashdown recovery (Go Ms Tree) [?] [17]
#91 Successful catch (Go Ms Tree) Splashdown recovery (Go Ms. Chief) [18]

References

  1. ^ "Iridium boss reflects as final NEXT satellite constellation launches". January 11, 2019. Retrieved January 11, 2019.
  2. ^ "SpaceX launches Indonesian satellite launch and Israeli moon mission". February 21, 2019. Retrieved February 22, 2019.
  3. ^ Elon Musk [@elonmusk] (April 12, 2019). "Both fairing halves recovered. Will be flown on Starlink mission later this year. pic.twitter.com/ouz1aqW3Mm" (Tweet) – via Twitter.
  4. ^ @elonmusk (May 24, 2019). "Fairing halves recovered" (Tweet). Retrieved May 29, 2019 – via Twitter.
  5. ^ "SpaceX Falcon 9 lofts three Canadian radar satellites". NASASpaceFlight.com. 2019-06-12. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  6. ^ "SpaceX records another first for reusable rocketry by catching Falcon Heavy fairing with a boat". TechCrunch. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  7. ^ Berger, Eric (2019-08-07). "SpaceX launched an expendable mission Tuesday, but caught the fairing". Ars Technica. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  8. ^ a b "Falcon 9 becomes U.S. rocket leader; Starlink "where are they now" edition". NASASpaceFlight.com. 2020-04-21. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  9. ^ "SpaceX and Cape Canaveral Return to Action with First Operational Starlink Mission". NASASpaceFlight.com. 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  10. ^ "SpaceX Falcon 9 launches JCSAT-18/Kacific-1". NASASpaceFlight.com. 2019-12-16. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  11. ^ Clark, Stephen. "SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, tests design change for astronomers – Spaceflight Now". Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  12. ^ Berger, Eric (2020-01-29). "SpaceX launches 60 Starlink satellites, catches a fairing [Updated]". Ars Technica. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  13. ^ "SpaceX successfully conducts fifth Starlink launch - booster misses drone ship". NASASpaceFlight.com. 2020-02-17. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  14. ^ Amy, Thompson. "SpaceX launches 60 Starlink satellites into orbit, misses rocket landing". Space.com. Retrieved 2020-08-19.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  15. ^ "SpaceX to launch first Starlink rideshare mission with Planet Labs". NASASpaceFlight.com. 2020-06-12. Retrieved 2020-06-13.
  16. ^ Clark, Stephen. "SpaceX shares video of first double fairing catch". Spaceflight Now. Retrieved 2020-07-22.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  17. ^ "SpaceX successfully conducts Starlink v1.0 L9 launch". NASASpaceFlight.com. 2020-08-06. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  18. ^ Burghardt, Thomas (2020-05-13). "Planet Labs SkySats to rideshare with SpaceX Starlink launches". NASASpaceFlight.com. Retrieved 2020-05-13.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
Something like this? Only did for 2019/2020 so far. OkayKenji (talk • contribs) 01:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Each launch produces two entries. I see space for a graph but not for a table if we get reliable sources for each outcome (or we need an unknown bar). --mfb (talk) 03:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I like the chart. I also agree that there are two fairings per launch and each can have a different result.War (talk) 05:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Does anybody know a good website/source where we have fairing recovery data? It seems like SpaceX rarely updates the status of fairings unless they catch it or on their launch webcasts. Maybe https://spacexfleet.com/, but don't want to copy it... OkayKenji (talk • contribs) 19:46, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So long as it's just data points you're citing, then it's not copying. Just a "Success", "Failure", "Partial success" type thing isn't an issue. I would not go into the level of detail that spacexfleet does. — Huntster (t @ c) 22:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As an update - I'm still working on this, but I a noticing there are missions we do not know a lot about. To be frank SpaceX when it comes to fairings they are not transparent. We have to rely on (and thankful for) photographers who are at the Port Canaveral Port to get the condition of fairings. Tho there are a few webcasts where they do say condition of fairngs. OkayKenji (talk • contribs) 00:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@OkayKenji If there aren't high quality citable sources then it generally cannot be included on Wikipedia. You'll have to include sources somewhere on the page for every single fairing recovery. The same problem is going on with the second stage, though it's somewhat more visible, it's still hard to confirm as it's not clear which launches are which in the table. I've almost deleted the table a couple of times. Fairings will be even worse. You'll need a source for every single one. Ergzay (talk) 05:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there. True, there’s no high quality sources. I’ve unpinned this for now as it’s unlikely we will get new sources soon (I think I pinned it?) And this discussion seems to have stalled since a few years ago. OkayKenji (talk) 11:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As SpaceX has abandoned the net recovery effort, my suggestion is no longer needed.War (talk) 06:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Further split of 'Future Launches/2023'?

@C-randles, @103.27.142.111 & other users have been frequently editing expected launch date & times, along with reasons for likely delays.

While I do not have any issue with the reasons for delay - they are all logical deductions - I do believe there is a cleaner way of presenting the list of future launches.

My suggestion is to create a new table above the current one for 2023 launches to list all launches where a date, time and booster can be listed. For the rest of the launches, the 'NET' date shall be stated, even if there is no logical possibility of launch in that month.

This way, there is no need to continuously update these dates based on new information provided by agencies like the FAA or FCC.

It'd look something like:

FUTURE LAUNCHES

2023

Launches with boosters allocated

These launches have a tentative date, time and booster allocated to them.

Date and time (UTC) Version,
booster[a] 		Launch site Payload[b] Orbit Customer
19 April 2023[1]
12:28[2] 		F9 B5 ♺
B1067.11 		CCSFS,
SLC-40 		Starlink Group 6-2 (~21 satellites) LEO SpaceX
An East Coast v2 Starlink launch to their Generation 2 network.
25 April 2023
13:02[3] 		F9 B5 ♺
B1061.13 		VSFB,
SLC-4E 		Starlink Group 3-5 (~46 satellites) SSO SpaceX
A West Coast Starlink launch to a 560 km Sun-synchronous orbit at an inclination of 97.6°.
24 April 2023
23:24[3] 		Falcon Heavy B5
B1068 (core)[4] 		KSC,
LC-39A 		ViaSat-3 Americas
Aurora 4A (Arcturus)
Nusantara-H1-A 		GEO ViaSat
Astranis / Pacific Dataport
PT Pasifik Satelit Nusantara
B1052.8♺ (side)
B1053.3♺ (side)
This mission will directly inject the satellites to geostationary orbit, thus the core and side boosters are all expendable alongside having the sixth second stage featuring Falcon mission-extension kit. Satellites of the ViaSat-3 class use electric propulsion, which requires less fuel for stationkeeping operations over their lifetime.[5]

Launches expected on manifest

The following launches are expected on the launch manifest, but no further details have been available.

Date and time (UTC) Version,
booster[a] 		Launch site Payload[b] Orbit Customer
NET 28 April 2023
21:12[6] 		F9 B5 CCSFS,
SLC-40 		O3b mPOWER 3 & 4 MEO SES
Second part of SES' MEO satellites for its O3b low-latency, high-performance connectivity services.[7]
NET 9 May 2023
02:43[6] 		F9 B5
B1080 		KSC,
LC-39A 		Ax-2 LEO (ISS) Axiom Space
Contract for 3 additional missions was signed in June 2021.[8] Peggy Whitson and John Shoffner were signed on as commander and pilot. The third and fourth seats were bought by Saudi Arabia. The Saudi crew members were revealed to be Ali AlQarni and Rayyanah Barnawi.
NET Early May 2023[9] F9 B5 VSFB,
SLC-4E 		Iridium-NEXT (5 satellites)
OneWeb (15 Gen1 satellites with a Gen2 test satellite) 		Polar LEO Iridium
Iridium-9 rideshare mission, carrying five on-orbit spare Iridium-NEXT satellites along with 15 Gen1 and a demo Gen2 OneWeb satellites.
NET 22 May 2023 F9 B5 CC,
SLC-40/LC-39A 		Arabsat 7B (Badr-8) GTO Arabsat
Includes Airbus's TELEO optical communications payload demonstrator.

Raftonyxdevoutly (talk) 02:42, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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All launches are NET anyway and I don't see a clear way to decide where a specific launch would go based on our sources. You would still get the same updates to the dates, but in addition it would also make people shift launches from one table to the other. --mfb (talk) 10:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move older 2020-2022 launches to another page?

The page length has gotten a bit unwieldy. Can we split off the 2020-2022 into another page? High F9 cadence may justify a different treatment than the customary breakdown by decade. Obellik (talk) 04:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that based on the currently planned launch rate (80+ per year), starting with 2023, it might be better to have a separate page for Falcon 9 launches in each year. Rebell44 (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Separate crewed list

Crewed launches are far more notable and SpaceX already has plenty of them that a fork would be appropriate for those. Those could contain more details like time spent at ISS and stuff like that. That way, the blurb here can be kept a bit trimmed also. 2A02:2F01:F207:3C00:F14B:BCD:CB0C:42D7 (talk) 21:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Such a list already exists on the Crew Dragon page. Not sure if a dedicated list page is necessary, 87.200.89.54 (talk) 07:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for Starlink masses

All of the masses for Starlink launches seem to use no source at all or use a poor source (everydayastronaut). I can say said source is poor because it has false precision. I suggest we source a single source for the mass of Starlink missions and then mention that somewhere in the page. Right now I'm considering changing all of them to use #expr calculations. For example: 

{{cvt|{{#expr:300*51 round -3}}|kg}}

as an example for the first launch of 2023. This changes some of the calculations but I'm not sure there are any good sources to the mass of each starlink launch beyond that they're "around" 300kg. I've gone ahead and made this change for the first launch and I'll change it for others if there's no objection, along with sourcing the mass from gunter's page. https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/starlink-v1-5.htm which says "~300kg". Ergzay (talk) 05:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lazaro Fernandes Do you have any comment on this? I saw you making recent changes to the Starlink mass. Ergzay (talk) 00:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
yes, each starlink has 300kg Lazaro Fernandes (talk) 02:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
yes, each starlink v1.5 has 300kg Lazaro Fernandes (talk) 02:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
310kg starlink v1.5 * Lazaro Fernandes (talk) 02:11, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Second Stage config chart

This chart is completely unsourced and doesn't even have any data in the table to support it. If someone wants to re-add it from the history, please find sources that describe this information and include them. As it is, it's impossible to update. Ergzay (talk) 07:23, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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