Talk:The Beatles

Wiki crap

Read this article, good grief. It's a Wiki-politically-correct summary of the most artistically influential popular group in musical history. Vapid and bizarre. The style doesn't conform to ANY social convention. It's a bunch of pro and con lackwits mouthing off. No, Wikipedia, you aren't the wave of the future. You're the wave of ignorance supported by emotion. Give yourselfth a big pat on the back. God, what morons. 76.126.217.195 (talk) 10:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and btw? I'm not a new Wiki editor. I have 10,000s of edits. I am just utterly, utterly fed up with the foolish Wiki policies allowing any lackwit to express their oh-so-valuable personal opinions on important subjects. Kids? You all who want to make a difference? Then be creative. The Beatles did. Do it. 76.126.217.195 (talk) 10:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

who are you? i think its the false website to troll.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

1970s

Please remove the 1970s grupos category of the article, because the beatles are not of that time, his was separated in 1970.--JamesMarshallHendrix (talk) 03:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree - it's certainly stretching it to call them a 70s band. Removed.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello, this is Kool-Aid jammers. Beatles is a great band but no experience. They took all the info. from Patrick Maxwell, best singer who even made Yesterday. By the way, my friend is Bobdelina!! He's a bit weird. A week ago, he got his report-card and it said R in everything. This weird old friend (in grade 5) go's to Settler's Green P.S. in Mississauga. Bye!! Love everyone who's reading this.

Edit request from 81.132.151.65, 15 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} The info box at the side of the page lists Pete Bast as dead instead of Stuart Sutcliffe 81.132.151.65 (talk) 12:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the information. Bevo74 (talk) 12:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

the or The?

As I've been reverted for following what is on this page, which is it then? The statement at the top of this page or [[[1]]] Bevo74 (talk) 05:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I would guess this is Y it was reverted as per most recent talk and other previous talks on the subject that seem to have decied on the "The" format. That said you are free to bring up the matter again.Moxy (talk) 06:15, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely 'The'. PL290 is trying to sneak 'the' through the back door, but after literally months of discussing, arguing, and shouting about this, the decision was made. End of.--andreasegde (talk) 06:24, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

As Yogi Berra would say - this is deja vu all over again. And I agree, we're not going there again. Tvoz/talk 06:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

[outdent] But Andreasegde's statement "It's definitely 'The'" is at odds to the statement at the top of this page: "Consensus has been reached to use 'the Beatles' instead of 'The Beatles' in running prose" — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 08:17, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

That statement at the top of the page used to be the other way round, ie "Consensus has been reached to use 'The Beatles' instead of 'the Beatles.'" It was altered by PL290 after a discussion involving only me and him (see here). Notice that he never said that he did it, either on the talk page or in the edit summary. Was that discussion enough to overturn what had previously been agreed upon? I think not.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I returned the text above to the way it had been, and where it should stay unless and until there is true consensus for the lower case "the". Consensus can change, but not this way. Tvoz/talk 16:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting that. Bevo74 (talk) 17:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank whichever God you prefer for that.--andreasegde (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

[2] The Beatles' trademark document, which says, "signed by all four members of The Beatles, and dated November 23, 1964, in the City of London. It authorizes "The Beatles" name to be registered and used by the group in the U.S., and is attached and bound along with a title page and sworn statement from the notary public who witnessed the signing. The document reads (in part): "1. We carry on business jointly as entertainers under the group name of 'The Beatles'. " Therefore, the use of 'The' must be used as it is part of a trademark. Definitely the end of.--andreasegde (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm agnostic on this religious battle - perhaps even leaning towards the 'T' - but if the "legal" name is what we "must" use, then its John, Paul, George and Richard. Its not that black and white. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 16:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The MOS seems clear enough: it should be 'the'. If the consensus is that, for some reason, the MOS does not apply to this subject, then please can we have that reason recorded in the statement at the top of the page; otherwise, the MOS should prevail. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 17:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The MoS is a guide. Talks are underway to have it changed, which is what Wikipedia is all about.--andreasegde (talk) 21:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I've added the legal reason on the top of this talk page. Steelbeard1 (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The trademark argument is spurious: WP is not involved in trade.—Wrapped in Grey (talk) 04:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

You should look at the Trademark page. It's very clearly stated.--andreasegde (talk) 04:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

No, I shall look at the MOS which states specifically how to deal with band names, almost all of which will be trademarked. By all means, have the MOS changed but until then, and with no clear consensus here, you are jumping the gun. —Wrapped in Grey (talk) 09:00, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Remember the ABN AMRO debacle? That article's talk page is still much longer than the article itself due to the MoS dispute. ABN AMRO in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is not only a registered trade mark, it is also the LEGAL NAME of the financial institution. The MoS (censored) insisted on "ABN Amro" as the article's name. Steelbeard1 (talk) 10:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

oh hey, didn't realize that discussion regarding this was happening here as well. I would like to invite all interested parties to take this discussion to Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(music), as per this WP:Consensus RfC decision which comes to the conclusion: Conflict between guidelines are best resolved through discussion, and the guidelines updated as appropriate.. It seems most of us are unclear as to current consensus of preferred capitalization, and our ultimate goal should be to codify eventual consensus into a clear guidelines, whatever the result may be. Thank you, riffic (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Good. It was difficult bouncing around three pages. The page for discussion is here: [3]--andreasegde (talk) 10:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Folks, this is becoming a leetle bit silly :). Most Beatles editors are perfectly happy to comply with Wikipedia's Manual of Style on this point. This was shown about four months ago when there was clear acquiescence with this edit in the discussion specifically addressing the question. It was then demonstrated again—a month later—in this edit by User:Rodhullandemu, an admin with keen oversight of Beatles articles, who stated, "Consensus is for lower-case "the", per Talk page" in his edit summary. This page has over a thousand watchers: these and other related edits were accepted without demur. I am a bit busy in real life at the moment, so can't watch this discussion too closely, but having taken this article to Featured status I would prefer to see it comply with the MoS. I hope others will begin to voice their (previously silent) support—after all, complying with Wikepeda guidelines is something editors are generally expected to attempt to do. PL290 (talk) 07:17, 5 November 2010 (UTC)