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Hello, Doncram. You have new messages at Ammodramus's talk page.
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dab page William Black House help

Help needed to create, at William Black House (and to have William Black House (disambiguation) redirect to that location), of disambiguation page containing, more or less:

William Black House may refer to:

• William Black Family House, Brinkley, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) in Monroe County
• William Black House-SDM-W-12 Locus A (CA-SDI-4669), La Jolla, California, NRHP-listed in San Diego County
• William L. Black House, Hammonton, New Jersey, NRHP-listed in Atlantic County
• William Black Homestead, New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, NRHP-listed in Cumberland County

See also

• Black House (disambiguation)

{{disambiguation}}

Will appreciate help creating this, just create the article please... --doncram 00:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

dab page Niobrara River Bridge help

Need help creating Niobrara River Bridge dab page, with approximately:

Niobrara River Bridge may refer to:

• Adamson Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as Niobrara River Bridge and as NEHBS No. CE00-227, listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP)
• Bell Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as the Allen Bridge and Niobrara River Bridge and NEHBS No. CE00-22, also NRHP-listed
• Berry State Aid Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as Niobrara River Bridge and as NEHBS No. CE00-225, also NRHP-listed
• Borman Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as Niobrara River Bridge and NEHBS No. CE00-224, also NRHP-listed

{{disambiguation}}

And there may be more to add. In addition, it will make sense to add a section about bridge crossings to the Niobrara River article, but the dab page is still needed, as these are multiple bridges of exactly this name apparently. Will appreciate help by someone just creating the dab. --doncram 01:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, Doncram. You have new messages at Ammodramus's talk page.
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This was about William Black House, a disambiguation page. It was since created. --doncram 00:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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This was about Women's Improvement Club of Hueneme. It was since created. --doncram 00:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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j⚛e decker^talk 20:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

It sure looks like the Arbcom decision wass a great one (sarcasm intended)

Its grossly apparent that the Arbcom decision to make Doncram go through Articles for creation for all of his submissions was another in a long line of bad decisions. This shows, that not only did the case have little merit (since virtually every single one are being accepted) but that it is a huge wasted of the already stretched time of the Articles for creation process. I really hope that someone at AFC steps up and mentions to the Arbcom that this is a waste of their time to continue to do this. Not only that but its leaving a whole lot of unnecessary redirects like Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Miller Hotel behind that will need to be cleaned up at some point. Kumioko (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kumioko. Thank you for your interest and support. I don't wish to dispute the resolution of the arbcom case, which is largely working. In particular I have appreciated being free from drama of AFDs, ANI incidents, etc. that were routinely opened and were dragging me and others down. The arbcom decision included provision that I could appeal the restriction on article creation after one year (and I think implied that I could not appeal that beforehand). The AFC process has tools that make it relatively easy for reviewers and has a pool of reviewers not previously involved. I don't welcome having to create some different process, though I don't rule that out. Thanks. --doncram 11:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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j⚛e decker^talk 02:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

NE help

Others' help to finish out articling a swath of NE would be appreciated, by helping develop any a item and/or moving, at any time, any a item to b mainspace location, among:

• Morrill (4 of 8) ne morrill info
  • a001 to b001
  • a002 to b002
  • a003 to b003
  • a004 to b004
  • this to Rush Creek Battlefield
  • this to Mud Springs Station Archeological District
• Garden (2 of 6)
  • a005 to b005
  • a006 to b006
• Cherry (1 of 13)
  • a007 to b007
• Holt (7)
  • a008 to b008
  • a009 to b009
  • a010 to b010
  • a011 to b011
  • a012 to b012
• Deuel (4 of 5)
  • a013 to b013
  • a014 to b014
  • a015 to b015
  • a016 to b016
• Grant Cty: User:Doncram/Hotel DeFair to Hotel DeFair
• Loup Cty: this to Pavillion Hotel (Taylor, Nebraska) and
  • this to Thomas and Mary Williams Homestead
• Box Butte Cty (4 of 4):
  • this to User:City of Alliance Central Park Fountain
  • this to Box Butte County Courthouse

Lee and Gottliebe Fritz House

• Sheridan Cty (6 of 10)
  • this to Sheridan County Courthouse (Nebraska)
  • this to Colclesser Bridge
  • this to District No. 119 North School
  • this to Lee and Gottliebe Fritz House
  • this to Gourley's Opera House
  • this to Loosveldt Bridge
• Dawes Cty 10 of 15
  • User:Doncram/Chadron Commercial Historic District to Chadron Commercial Historic District
  • User:Doncram/Chadron Public Library to Chadron Public Library
• Kimball Cty (4 of 4)
  • this to Wheat Growers Hotel
  • this to Maginnis Irrigation Aqueduct
  • this to Gridley-Howe-Faden-Atkins Farmstead
  • this to Fraternal Hall (Kimball, Nebraska)
• Cheyenne Cty (12 of 12)
  • this to Sidney Historic Business District
• NE counties already articled: Grant, Banner, Brown, Rock, Keya Paha. --doncram 16:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

other NR help

• Humboldt (10 of 12)
  • c1 to Golconda School
  • c2 to Winnemucca Hotel
  • c3 to Winnemucca Grammar School
  • c4 to W.C. Record House
  • c5 to US Post Office-Winnemucca Main
  • c6 to Paradise Valley Ranger Station
  • c7 to Micca House
  • c8 to Humboldt River Bridge
  • c9 to Last Supper Cave
  • c10 to Adorno Station
  • c11 to Applegate-Lassen Trail
• Grant (2 of 10)
  • c12 to Sumpter Valley Railway, Middle Fork–John Day River
  • c13 to Supervisor's House No. 1001
• Gilliam (2 of 3)
  • c14 to Silas A. Rice Log House
  • c15 to S.B. Barker Building
• Klickitat (5 of 10)
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
• Sedgwick (2 of 2)
  • c to Sedgwick County Courthouse
  • c to Union Pacific Railroad Julesburg Depot
• Phillips (4 of 4)
  • this to First National Bank of Haxtun
  • this to Phillips County Courthouse (Colorado)
  • this to Shirley Hotel
  • this to W.E. Heginbotham House
• Yuma (3 of 4)
  • this to Boggs Lumber and Hardware Building
  • this to Lett Hotel
  • this to Walter and Anna Zion Homestead

Knocking down states

• Nevada...down by TheCatalyst31 & me
• Kansas just needs 3...down by TheCatalyst31 & me
  • Cheyenne Cty, KS (2 of 3)
    • this to Cheyenne County Courthouse (St. Francis, Kansas)
    • this to Henry Hickert Building
  • Morton Cty (1 of 1): User:Doncram/Morton County WPA Bridge to Morton County WPA Bridge
  • Sherman Cty, KS (5 of 5)
    • this to Mary Seaman Ennis House
    • this to Goodland City Library
• New Mexico just needs 3:
  • Union Cty, NM (8 of 10)
    • this to Union County Courthouse (New Mexico)
    • this to Luna Theater
    • this to Eklund Hotel

Knocking down darkest blue:

• Sanpete Cty, UT (needs just 1)
  • This to Peter Hansen House (Manti, Utah)
• Cache Cty, UT (needs 2)
  • this to George Bradshaw House and Joshua Salisbury/George Bradshaw Barn
  • this to Elite Hall
• Beaver Cty, UT (needs 4)
  • this to George Albert Bradshaw House
  • this to Beaver Relief Society Meetinghouse‎
  • this to Meeting Hall or maybe Meeting Hall (Beaver, Utah) with a Meeting Hall (disambiguation)

• Carbon (need 19 of 214, or just one big combo)
  • a0 to b0
• Duchesne (need 4 of 37)
  • a0 to b0
• Summit (need 5 of 109)
  • this to Thomas L. Allen House
  • this to Bogan Boarding House
  • this to James Cassidy House
  • this to Echo Church and School
  • this to Park City Main Street Historic District
• List of RHPs in WY only needs 3 to rollover to 60%, say:
  • this to Atlas Theatre
  • this to City and County Building (Cheyenne, Wyoming)
  • this to Deming School

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Women's Improvement Club of Hueneme, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Commons category template

Consider using {{Commons category}} when appropriate. This will allow you to eliminate the External Links section in some of your submissions. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, but the use of the external link is deliberate for Nebraska articles. Specifically you've noticed my using an external like "More photos of the Holt County Courthouse at Wikimedia Commons", included in the User:Doncram/Holt County Courthouse article. This is per discussion with User:Ammodramus, whose view is that the Commons category box is not the most helpful. I tend to agree, in part because the box appears way low and to the right, below the NRHP infobox, in short NRHP articles. This is discussed at User talk:Ammodramus #Dry Valley Church pics, still an open discussion. You're welcome to comment there. Not sure if this could/should be usefully discussed elsewhere; I tend to think not, as this is just about a couple users preference to use something better than the standard commons box, in a limited series of articles. --doncram 16:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Consider creating a template for this external link. The presence of a dedicated template will prevent most editors from saying "why did he do it that way," and the template's /doc page can explain things in more detail and provide links to the discussions you mentioned above. If you need me to move the template from user space to template space, buzz me on my talk page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Using {{Commons category-inline}} would let you format the Commons link as a standard external link, FYI. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Good point, davidwr, i'll do that... er, and wow, thanks, Thecatalyst, i'll use that going forward. Have just done so for my current drafted articles (which I am hoping might get reviewed today, for silly reason that it would allow them to be counted in today's update to nrhp "progress" map, hint. i am done for today myself, now). This is of wider interest for other NRHP articles, too. Thanks! --doncram 08:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Please don't mind if I jump in here. TheCatalyst131's suggestion doesn't address my principal problem with the Commons template, which is that the phrase "Media related to X" doesn't convey all that much meaning to the average WP reader. The "More photos of X" phrasing that Doncram and I have been using seems much clearer and more specific about what the reader will find at the Commons category. Ammodramus (talk) 00:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

That's more a problem with the intended vs. practical scope of Commons, though. In theory Commons can host most media types, but in practice the vast majority of files on Commons are photos. It seems like there's been a gradual move to emphasize the non-photo media hosted by Commons (e.g. the change of the "Image" namespace to the "File" namespace), but that hasn't changed the fact that for most categories (and particularly NRHP ones) every file they have will be an image. There should be some kind of template for articles that will probably never have other kinds of media, IMO, but I don't know of one that currently exists. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Try this:

• Generic: Doncram
• Specific example: Holt County Courthouse

If that is too plain, you can add text before or after it, or even (possibly) put it in the infobox.

If you and Ammodramus come up with some boilerplate text that you like, consider making a NRHP-Nebraska-specific template for it.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

5 articles speedily moved into mainspace

Re: Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review  Done

• User:Doncram/Garden County Courthouse to Garden County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/Schuetz Log Cabin to Schuetz Log Cabin
• User:Doncram/Morrill County Courthouse to Morrill County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/Golden Hotel (O'Neill, Nebraska) to Golden Hotel (O'Neill, Nebraska) and fixed up disambiguation page Golden Hotel
• User:Doncram/Camp Clarke Bridge Site to Camp Clarke Bridge Site

Please {{db-user}} the leftover redirects if you no longer need them.

For each, I make sure the talk page was correct, fixed up categories, and if there was a link to a commons category I changed it to the template form and moved it to the top of the reference section. Because it shows up "on the right" it may not show up "in" the references though. Any remaining empty "external links" section was deleted. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!! I've started adding a "for Talk page" section at the bottom of new articles drafted, too, to save a few moments time with each Talk page creation. At this writing there are now 2 more articles in the category (and constantly updating value is now 0 articles in Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review). I've replied about your commons category comment in section just above. Thanks, sincerely, again for your assistance. --doncram 17:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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Martin Anderson House, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Used wrong name

I am so sorry but I saw your name then crossed it with Mangoes. I corrected it which goes to show trying to do anything but sleep when wore out can be a mistake. Otr500 (talk) 03:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

NRHP - Arkansas

As the NRHP expert, I wanted you to know that someone sent in 15 images of NRHP locations. I uploaded them, added an NRHP category, added them to National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Saline_County,_Arkansas and the related articles if they exist. There were a few additional pictures not on the list or not clearly on the list, so I noted this on the talk page.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, i don't know if you mean u or me as being some kind of nrhp expert? I am not an expert. :) Anyhow, i actually am interested in "doing" an Arkansas county or two, because it is one of few states that has not a single fully-articled county. I was thinking about National Register of Historic Places listings in Pike County, Arkansas because it has relatively few NRHPs -- and i started one article there recently, but I'd be happier working where there is some local interest and especially happier to work where there are pics available. Saline county is where Bentonville, home of Walmart, is, and would be more salient generally. So I guess i'll switch to that. Thanks for calling it to my attention! --doncram 20:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant you, not me. Yes, I was hoping that if you had a few pics, it might influence where you might turn your attention. I'll let the person that donated the images know.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Great! Please do let the person know, and that they're welcome to contact me, and to follow what develops at the Saline County NRHP list. We, broadly, really do want to encourage contributions of more pics and of writing too, and in this case at least I am happy to be responsive to what a contributor is giving, especially as it ties into something i was wanting to work on anyhow. Cheers, --doncram 21:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Dr. James Wyatt Walton House, related to Sam Walton??? --Nope

Happily TheCatalyst31 is also helping in the county, adding Arkansas Historic Preservation info to several already existing articles and starting new ones. I'll list any that I draft, here:

User:Doncram/Dr. James Wyatt Walton House to Dr. James Wyatt Walton House

--doncram 20:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

The photographer asked me to pass along:

"Bentonville, Benton County, Arkansas, is the home of Wal-mart in the NW corner of the state; however, the photos I took are in Benton, Saline County, Arkansas, just SW of Little Rock in central Arkansas."--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, oops, well I refuse to be ashamed of my ignorance, starting in.  :) We'll get more informed by working the NRHP articles in the state. Seems like we have a ways to go. :) Thanks! --doncram 12:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the corection though. And being a central county is better to work on. --doncram 03:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, to do list:

• this to Shoppach House
• this to Royal Theatre (Benton, Arkansas)
• User:Doncram/Rucker House (Bauxite, Arkansas) to Rucker House (Bauxite, Arkansas) (who woulda thunk there'd be other places named Rucker House??)
• User:Doncram/J.W. and Ann Lowe Clary House to J.W. and Ann Lowe Clary House
• and more, out of 18 in total

--doncram 03:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

May 19 batch of 5

 Done

• User:Doncram/Elite Hall to Elite Hall
• User:Doncram/Hotel DeFair to Hotel DeFair
• User:Doncram/Humboldt River Bridge to Humboldt River Bridge
• User:Doncram/Peter Hansen House (Manti, Utah) to Peter Hansen House (Manti, Utah)
• User:Doncram/Dr. James Wyatt Walton House to Dr. James Wyatt Walton House

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT for NRHP articles

I noticed you use frequently use a DEFAULTSORT of lastname, honorific firstname middlename, House. Is this an established convention or is this something you made up? I ask because if it's not an established convention, see Wikipedia:DEFAULTSORT, Wikipedia:NAMESORT, and Wikipedia:SORTKEY. --Sphilbrick 04:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I haven't particularly thought about it but use it because Elkman does. I think Pubdog asked me to include it in some drafts, too, not sure. I don't have any big opinion about it. Either way perhaps it should be addressed in NRHP style guide, if you do bring it up for discussion elsewhere. --doncram 12:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you or another active NRHP editor bring up the issue in a place where most other NRHP-active editors hang out? Until/unless there is a consensus to use a particular DEFAULTSORT and that consensus is documented somewhere, every now and then someone will ask "why is it done this way" and they might start deleting them. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

There are actually probably 5,000 or so NRHP articles having this, guessing from about 30,000 NRHP articles being created so far. I don't see it as a likely problem that someone would start deleting the defaultsorts. This has to do, also, with the funny way that the NRHP's NRIS legacy database recorded listings, e.g. as "Lastname, Firstname, House" or "Lastname, Firstname house" so that it would, itself, be sortable by key name. In Wikipedia we can use defaultsort so that items show up in sensible order in a category, and we can use our own choice in ordering in the NRHP list-articles (indexed at List of RHPs), where we do use the lastname of course. Thanks for your concern, but I am not going to open a discussion anywhere unless/until it seems to be a current issue. --doncram 22:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You can also add sort keys to individual categories. For templates that include categories (including most or all HRHP stub templates), you can modify the templates to take a custom sort key, much like {{WPBiography}} has a listas= parameter. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review

Hi Doncram, I've just cleared out Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review. Sorry I forgot about it for a couple of days, I've been busy. If it happens again feel free to drop me a message at my talk page. Oh, and thanks for adding the AFC talkpage banner into your submissions its even easier for me to create now :) Pol430 talk to me 19:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Good, i'm glad you like the AFC talkpage stuff...i'll return to adding that for new articles, to be included optionally by you and other reviewers (including some who do not identify so much with AFC some who don't actively choose to credit AFC as this process is not explicitly part of AFC, or others who do not identify so much with AFC, which is okay too). And thanks also to Davidwr who has likewise cleared out a couple batches. Thanks. --doncram 21:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

P.S. There are currently (continuously updated) 0 articles in Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review....

I identify with AFC, I just see your submissions as going through a special, custom review process, not AFC. That's all. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, i reworded what you just responded to. I do recognize you as a great contributor to AFC and to this personally helpful process, too! Thanks! --doncram 22:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for keeping a cool head and persevering to wiki improvement in controversial articles related to South Asian countries. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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new e-mail Lvklock (talk) 23:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

New Mexico articles

I'm looking through the articles you have for review, and most of the New Mexico articles are almost entirely sourced to the NRIS. For instance, De Baca County Courthouse only has one sentence about the TR nomination that isn't based on the NRIS, and Eklund Hotel only has a sentence about another property that isn't based on the NRIS. Given that the NRIS has reliability issues, I'm not sure those articles are ready for the mainspace yet. I can provide more specific comments on the talk pages, but this seems to be an issue with several of the drafts. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, you're right those are short. The items you are referring to are just these 5:

• User:Doncram/Harding County Courthouse / User talk:Doncram/Harding County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/De Baca County Courthouse / User talk:Doncram/De Baca County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/Eklund Hotel / User talk:Doncram/Eklund Hotel
• User:Doncram/Luna Theater / User talk:Doncram/Luna Theater
• User:Doncram/Union County Courthouse (New Mexico) / User talk:Doncram/Union County Courthouse (New Mexico)

There are not NRHP nomination documents available for these (I tried), and I start the articles before web-searching for other sources, then found in several of these cases there were not other great sources showing up in the web search. So, including NRIS plus a Thematic Resources document reference is about all that is feasible for several of these, at first. NRIS alone actually suffices, technically, in my view, and NRIS + Thematic Resources provides a good start for any local, in my view. But it's fine by me if you choose not to promote any, yourself, and please do give specific comments at their Talk pages if you like (start a talk page as needed). In general I am not going to be starting a lot of such articles and only do so for a specific reason (perhaps silly reason here of getting 3 NM articles to pass a threshold, and I started a couple extra exactly because I found I had doubts on what was available for a couple of the first ones); it is obviously more productive to work where NRHP docs are usually available. Thanks! --doncram 23:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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Architects

How do I get a list of NRHP and other notable works of architects? I am having trouble finding a good list of works for Pittsburgh architect Thomas Hannah. His Keenan Building/ Midtown Towers ‎(1907) is pretty interesting in and of itself. Thanks for your help. Candleabracadabra (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

For NRHP-listed works, I suggest using this query, with "Hannah". In its output i see one possible NRHP-listed Hannah work: Andrew Carnegie Free Library (Carnegie, Pennsylvania), 300 Beechwood Ave. Carnegie, PA (Struthers & Hannah). You may discern others within the output. That is a report based on NRHP listings up to a certain date in 2011. --doncram 02:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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You want to weigh in here, you're much more familiar with this kind of thing then I am. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Because Orlady is apparently unable to, I'm talking to upon myself to notify you about this request at Arbitration Enforcement. 22:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Orlady has opened an Administrative Enforcement action against me, and posted here (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADoncram&diff=556483621&oldid=556461313 this diff) and I removed it already. Thanks for ensuring I am informed. --doncram 01:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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A few more NRHP submissions accepted

• Box Butte County Courthouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• De Baca County Courthouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Eklund Hotel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Golconda School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Harding County Courthouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Last Supper Cave (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Luna Theater (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Rose & Peterson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Previously moved by Joe Decker (talk · contribs) (I removed the special category):

• Winnemucca Grammar School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

• I did not add {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}}) to Talk:Eklund Hotel, as it is in NM not UT. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! And, oops, thanks for noticing and removing that erroneous Talk page suggestion. Thanks for helping me and for advancing the coverage of architects and of NRHP-listed historic places! And, these ones met a silly deadline, happy to have them done. --doncram 14:11, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

8 down, zero to go

• Morton County WPA Bridge (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah
• Fixed issues with quoted material raised by a draft-stage comment.

• Paradise Valley Ranger Station (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah

• Phillips County Courthouse (Colorado) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Shirley Hotel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Union County Courthouse (New Mexico) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah

• Winnemucca Hotel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Mary Seaman Ennis House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Lee and Gottliebe Fritz House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed line about Delaware as it is not relevant.

• Micca House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah

• Mud Springs Station Archeological District (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah
• "significance dating to 1856" -> "significance dating to the mid-19th century" per comment on talk page made prior to article's move to the main encyclopedia
• It is now linked (via a redirect, Mud Springs Pony Express Station) from Pony_Express.
• Added a wikilink to the caption of the Pony Express route map.

Feh! About removing a fine comparison of Sheridan County, Nebraska vs. the U.S. state of Delaware.  :( For anyone else interested in creative comparisons of sizes of things, i am currently quibbling about Victoria Park, Los Angeles, whether it may be larger than 10 or more countries by population. Thanks davidwr for your help including these feedback comments. --doncram 17:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm curious, did these make your deadline? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 19:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

New "progress" status chart, which seems to be updated each Friday (and this will change)

Yes, mostly. As seen in "progress" status chart-map at right, if compared to previous week's one, the Kansas and Nebraska state-wide colors flipped one shade lighter blue, leaving just South Dakota having less than 20% "articled". That was the main "goal" i was working on this last week, i guess, though i had other goals of achieving dark red color for various counties (some achieved). If you look in detail at the map you can see a snaking red line of counties joining up more and more in the West. Also per the progress county-by-county and state-by-state tabulations at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Progress, Nevada was close to flipping from light blue to beige, i.e. to coming across the 50% threshold. If the three Nevada items above (Winnemucca Hotel, Micca House, Paradise Valley Ranger Station) had been processed sometime before 21:00 o'clock yesterday, that threshold would have barely been passed and been reflected in the chart-map. Your posting here was at 23:00 o'clock, presumably just after you processed all 8 above. Your approval of several New Mexico and Kansas ones, earlier, (together with User:TheCatalyst31, who was also focused on the Kansas-flipping goal, creating a bunch of Kansas articles separately from this) made the difference in those states flipping over. It's unpredictable when editor Dudemanfellabra will run the script to update the tabulation and then generate the updated chart-map, seems to happen anytime Thursday or Friday whenever D gets to it, which is fine. Having Nevada set up to flip next week is fine, too. :) If anyone wants to comment that this is silly, driving editing efforts to flip colors in a map, well, sure.... cheers, --doncram 20:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

P.S. Also the Mud Springs Station Archeological District one would have connected the snaking line through Nebraska and Colorado. It will be fully connected next week, maybe down to Kansas? And, this is surely good stuff, to have significant coverage of historic sites, everywhere, covered with some good info for locals, for travelers, for whomever. Where there's now an article, often with link to full NRHP nomination document, then anyone with a smartphone can take a photo to add to the article, and be fully informed about the place while on the spot (which greatly informs quality of photos, ensuring important details, extra buildings, etc. can be captured). We're working in general to support a big world-wide photo drive, Wikipedia Loves Monuments, that will happen again in September. --doncram 20:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's an idea: Pick some long, wind-ey historical paths, like Route 66, the Pony Express route, or the Trail of Tears and try to get those counties as red as possible as fast as possible. Or at least get all of the registered places that are relevant to those paths created. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, to work on all the NRHP listings of a certain type, like stagecoach / Pony Express stations, is something i've done before on other topics. E.g. List of Masonic buildings, List of Presbyterian churches, many other lists. It gets a bit tiresome though to build out all of just one type of thing.... Recently, i've been mapping out corridors that will display in the weekly "progress" map, just for fun since that is new. --doncram 22:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Victoria Park, Los Angeles for deletion

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Per a discussion on WT:WPAFC, I'm dropping the "talkheader" template on future moves unless there is actual discussion going on. Ironically, the discussion disagreed with my recommendation, which was to keep the header. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:15, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Doncram/First National Bank of Haxtun

Clarification need on the first sentence of User:Doncram/First National Bank of Haxtun. What do you mean it "includes Georgian Revival"? Do you mean it is built in the Georgian Revival style of architecture, or that it includes significant elements from that style of architecture? There is an important difference. I have removed Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review, please restore it when the draft is ready. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:40, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Another well-meaning (WP:AGF) editor reverted my changed to this submission. I intend on reverting his change and asking him to discuss the issue here if he wants to revert again. I can live with the word "building" not being in the final version (although IMHO it would be clearer if it were kept in). In any case, the submission will not be ready until the clarification above is complete so another editor's restoring the "ready for review" category is not something I can let stand. Only you will know when it is ready. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC) Update: See here for notification to the editor of this thread. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:10, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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You may want to use the {{rp}} template if you want to save people the trouble of digging through a multi-page reference that is used more than once and which the page number differs between uses. It is placed after the </ref> or <ref name=blah /> template. {{rp|s8p1}} displays as . See Gourley's Opera House for an example. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I have used the rp template many times; i think i kinda should probably always use it or another way of giving a specific page number when I include a quote from an NRHP document, but I haven't always done that. I have not seen usage like you suggest, with "s8p1" to indicate page 1 of section 8; i woulda used just "5" to indicate page 5 out of the PDF document; I'll consider using that section and page number approach. In some longer Multiple Property Submission documents and other documents, there can be a page numbering in the document that is quite different from the PDF page number; I have been ambivalent about which page numbering to report from sometimes. Thanks! --doncram 13:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

4 drafts moved

• W. E. Heginbotham House
• Thomas and Mary Williams Homestead
• Gourley's Opera House
• J. W. and Ann Lowe Clary House

In some of these I had to make some edits. I would encourage you to look at the edit histories of each to see what I did. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:11, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Please watch the talk page templates

I let a couple of mistakes get by and another editor fixed them. As a result I (and probably others helping you who see this message) will have to take longer for each of your drafts until I am (we are?) comfortable that they are free of mistakes. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Harding_County_Courthouse&action=history and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:De_Baca_County_Courthouse&action=history .

Please go back and make sure your recently-moved articles have accurate talk pages and double-check new submissions before putting them into the "ready for review" category. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, point taken. I just fixed the states for those 2, and found four other recent submissions to fix also. Is there any really significant difference between Nevada, Nebraska, New Mexico, anyhow? Kinda like Iowa being an alternate pronunciation of Ohio, per some New Yorker cartoon.  :) And... these weren't errors in mainspace, and I rather suspect Vegaswikian was just amused to "decline" those for Nevada. :) Anyhow, attention focussed (focused?). --doncram 23:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I was just dropping by to let you know I fixed some as well. MOstly pertaining to Arkansas or Utah. No big deal really but just try and be careful. There are a lot of haters out there looking for a reason to block another contributor. Try not to give them a reason. They don't really have enough to do with all the backlogs in all the admin areas. :-)Kumioko (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, there are a certain number of Haters. I rather think that is the biggest problem for Wikipedia as a project, that it attracts and enables persons for whom bullying / vindictive / revengeful battling is a character trait they can develop and inflict upon others. To the Hater(s) watching, don't take this as a comment about you personally, please, i mean the other ones. (This message tailored to avoid commenting about any other editor, so as to avoid f***ing hypocritical "no commenting on other editors" policy of wikipedia, generally inflicted by bullies who are, of course, commenting on other editors.) --doncram 11:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

AE result

Per this discussion at WP:AE and your warning of 4th April, you are hereby reminded that comments on contributor rather than content may result in the imposition of sanctions. Gatoclass (talk) 10:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you provide a link or something as to what contributory comment you are referring too? Or is AE now just leaving periodic reminders? Kumioko (talk) 20:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I was wondering the same thing until I looked up a few lines and saw "was just amused to" and figured "that must be it." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering too but then I thought to myself it must be something else because that was too petty of an issue to even mention unless they are looking for a reason to block him. Which is quite possible frankly. Kumioko (talk) 23:13, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Or, WP:AGF, they were being a friend and cautioning him before someone with an agenda did. Kind of like two friends in a restaurant and one has a history of alcohol-related problems and the other insisting he not order that 2nd drink. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

This was the comment in question.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 03:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm still not seeing a problem. Maybe a little edgier than it could be but nothing that would merit an AE IMO. But the AE is closed now anyway so its pretty much over. Kumioko (talk) 03:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Possible resource for Utah-related articles

"Relief Society Hall". Utah State History. Retrieved 2013-05-30. is the text of the historical marker for Relief Society Hall. You may find this site to be useful for other Utah historical sites. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Knocked off 2, many more to go

I moved User:Doncram/Adorno Station and User:Doncram/George Albert Bradshaw House. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I think there are 12 or so currently ready to be approved, if u or anyone else agrees. FYI, FWIW the 3 wyoming ones (Atlas Theatre, City and County Building, and Deming School) would bring WY over a 60 percent threshold; the Adorno Station and a few other Nevada ones would bring the snaking line of red progress through Humboldt County, Nevada, and I mildly am interested in these being approved before the Friday "progress" map comes out. Nevada as a state will already pop over the 50 percent mark. Cheers, --doncram 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: words of encouragement

Thank you. I tremendously appreciate your feedback and consideration. It has been nothing short of frustrating to get the flow of misinformation corrected and make the general public more aware of what the neighborhood includes and contains. Your note regarding a past LA Times reporting problem which has since been corrected is encouraging, and also points to the real value that Wikipedia holds in bringing common knowledge to light.

I recently uploaded my first self-shot photo to the Harvard Heights page, and in that vein plan to photograph some of the known historic cultural monuments in the neighborhood, including the Ray Charles studio which you suggested. It's just a matter of finding the time. I absolutely agree that they could further illustrate the importance of what the article emphasizes. Thanks again and I look forward to any other feedback you may have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvardheightshpoz (talk • contribs) 17:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Henricus

Hi! I saw the note you put on the nrhp errors list for Henricus. I wanted to change "per a local who knows the area" to "per an editor who knows the area" since I never actually stated where I stay now. But I thought it might be rude to change a signed comment myself. Can you please do that? Thanks! Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 02:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay, sorry, I definitely don't want to reveal personal info or to pry in any way. Thanks for asking me to revise my note; i have just done so. Thanks again also for your pointing out there must be an error in our list system. The process of raising an issue and having it discussed at a central discussion, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Henricus, seems to have worked out well this time. Do you know of any other errors? If so, perhaps you could edit directly at wp:NRIS info issues VA. --doncram 12:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Mississippi is such a beautiful state.

Cheers. Richard Apple (talk) 17:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Article review

I moved several of the articles in Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review into the mainspace. I also removed the category from User:Doncram/Grant County Courthouse District; it doesn't explain the significance of the district or mention any of the buildings in it, and it won't be ready for the mainspace until it's expanded. Also, in User:Doncram/Deming School, you have the NRHP listing date as "19", which should be fixed; I'm also a bit concerned about having a whole paragraph of that draft made up of quotes from the nomination form. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your moving several articles and for your attention to these two. I've revised both of these two. I had meant to add a bit more to the Grant County one but must have been interrupted or something; it's now expanded. And the "19" was meant to be "2005", now fixed. I don't happen to agree that there is any problem with quoting from the NRHP nomination document about why a place is NRHP-listed; that is an eminently appropriate thing to do. In conjunction with a lot of bullying-type behavior raising criticism on any point possible against me previously, I recognize that some tried to trump up ridiculous-in-my-view criticisms on the appropriate use of quotations. Not one of these criticisms has ever been held to be reasonable, except within hysterical ridiculous ANI discussions that should be entirely dismissed, as far as I recall. If you yourself are unsure, given the past hysteria, please go ahead and get some consultation. In this case the text is:

According to its NRHP nomination, it was deemed significant for "its direct association with the growth of education in Cheyenne" and "as an example of Art Deco architecture with elements of the International style in an educational building and as the work of a master architect, Frederick Hutchinson Porter." The building "is a substantial brick masonry structure built with community pride and permanency in mind, and which incorporates the standard designs advocated by early twentieth century educational reformers."

Plus the inline reference at the end. Which is fine and good. In fact i think it is very good to convey some of the NRHP nomination language. The term "built with community pride and permanency in mind", for example, is distinctive language that adds to the quality of the article for readers; it conveys the flowery, promotional tone of the NRHP document. I would not want to rewrite that into boring prose avoiding the document's language; that would detract from the quality of the article.

If you think a page number is needed in the inline reference, though, that could be added, I would agree, though I think the referencing is pretty clear and adequate already. Thanks again for your attention and caring on all points. --doncram 16:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

First of all, if half of an article is just direct quotes from the NRHP nomination, it's not really original writing, which is both a potential copyright problem and detracts from the quality of the article. If people want to see the exact language in the nomination form, they can click on the reference and read it. Second of all, while I'm all for well-written and interesting articles, including the promotional language from the nomination forms isn't the best way to accomplish that. There are ways to write an interesting article without using peacock terms to describe it; it's fine to quote a few with the disclaimer that other people think this, but they shouldn't be the main description of the builiding. I'll wait for a second opinion on Deming School, though whoever reviews it should be aware of this discussion. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

It is absolutely not a copyright violation. If you or someone else care to write the article differently, for your own personal taste reasons, that's okay by me. I happen to think the selection by me of quotes, and other writing, is a fine and "original" work, itself. But anyhow, it is absolutely not a copyright violation, to include quotes about why a place is NRHP-listed from its NRHP nomination. No way jose. --doncram 22:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

From WP:NRHPHELP#NRHP nomination forms,

If [NRHP nomination forms] are public domain, you might include text from these documents directly without paraphrasing, but it is desirable in either case to summarize them and paraphrase for better article quality.

...especially if the directly quoted text makes up a majority of the article and is in a promotional rather than objective tone.

If someone else wanted to write the article differently–or at all–they would have done it already. Perhaps someone may want to write the article in the future, but until then we have a half-assed copy and paste sitting there for the whole world to see. If you take the initiative to write an article, it is your duty to make it acceptable. That's what got you into the whole Arbcom thing in the first place.. doing sub-par, quick-fix work and expecting someone else to come along behind you and clean it up. That's not how things work here.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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