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Deletion review for Hummingbird Heartbeat

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Racism

When DGG, a sitting Arbitrator, accuses me of racism, my response was justified. Tarc (talk)

Taylor Lianne Chandler DRV

Taylor Lianne Chandler needs to be re-deleted to complete your close of Wikipedia:Deletion review#Taylor Lianne Chandler (closed). Best Regards,—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 01:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for reminding me. Done. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Thx

Thanks for the civil, non-accusatory close regarding list of Clinton controversies. I thought that the WP:LISTN argument was very strong in view of the discussion as a group or set by independent reliable sources, but evidently that view did not prevail.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:49, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Further praise for the thoughtful and well-written close on the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_controversies
Yellowdesk (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you both for the encouraging words. I've always found closing list AfDs more difficult than for articles. For articles, the inclusion criteria seem much more bright-line (either we have sources or we don't). For lists, it's more of a judgement call on the part of the AfD participants, which means it's more difficult for me to assess which arguments should carry the most weight. Glad I did OK in this case. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:53, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Please Unprotect and then Stop Vandalizing My Talk Page

I was going to politely ask you to stop vandalizing my talk page, but it appears to be protected. As my page 1) formed a record of why I left Wikipedia, 2) formed a record of an overt violation of Wikipedia's spirit and procedures, and 3) preserved said railroading in an attempt to illegitimately squelch a minority viewpoint, it meets all relevant criteria for inclusion in a talk page and meets no relevant criteria for removal. Please explain yourself.

I'd really rather not have to appeal this matter to adjudication. And I really didn't think I'd have to start taking this to the media. Michael Sheflin (talk) 18:58, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I protected your user page only to the extent that IP editors can't edit it, because some IP editor put back the material I deleted. I am assuming in good faith that you were not that IP editor. Any logged-in editor (including yourself) should still be able to edit it. But, as I said in my AfD close, using your user page to keep copies of articles from mainspace is a violation of wikipedia policies, including WP:UP#COPIES and WP:FAKEARTICLE. Our goal is neither to endorse or squelch minority viewpoints. We are an encyclopedia, not an editorial page. I would suggest you read WP:HERE. If you believe I have acted incorrectly, by all means, please ask for a review of my actions. Oh, I see you already have. I will respond further on that page. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

That was me on my phone. I apologize for misunderstanding what you did. It locked me out of reverting the last two points of vandalism, so I thought your lockout was broader. I retained the article simply as part of a broader narrative of what I felt was - hopefully just through groupthink - the overt suppression of a minority viewpoint sourced reputably (and well). I want people to make up their own minds on that. I don't think the original article is great and I never cared as much about the info personally as about opening up that space on wikipedia. My understanding (from Wiki's page on User Pages) is that's actually a core purpose of user pages.

While "Userspace is also not a substitute for project space" - as I've noted... this isn't a project space, it's a record of an attempt to squelch a minority viewpoint... Additionally, user pages are expressly allowed as proto-collaborative pages that - if it "becomes widely used or linked in project space, or has functional use similar to a project page, [might be] consider[ed] [for a] mov[e] [] into project space or merging it with other similar pages already existing there." I accepted that the article would be deleted. Could you possibly articulate simply the legitimate reasons - in league with Wiki's policies for inclusion and deletion of an article - that allowed you to do so? I'm not challenging you, I've just never gotten a reasonable articulation of why the original section was excluded, why the page was targeted immediately, and now why it's been deleted. Michael Sheflin (talk) 19:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

AN notice

This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Help... My User Page has been Vandalized and Protected by an Overzealous Editor". Thank you.. Since the topic started did not notify you I am per the requirements. --Majora (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I was also going to post this link. Michael Sheflin (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kristina Pimenova

You choice of words in closing that discussion were helpful and succinct. Good job. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:39, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

No way. The delete-sayers refused to explain their point of view and you, RoySmith, didn't either. I think some people are just jealous of her popularity. Lyrda (talk) 12:22, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

HI, Lydra. As the person who closed the discussion, I don't actually have a point of view. My job is to summarize comments made by other people. I think I explained why I I closed the discussion the way I did, but if there's anything you don't understand, I'll be happy to explain it to you. In the case of your comments, I did mention that you are a WP:SPA, which means a single-purpose account, i.e. a new account which appears to have been created with a specific purpose in mind. You've only been on the site for a couple of weeks, and all of your edits have been related to this article. Your comments are still welcome, and I considered them when writing my close, but there is generally an assumption that new users, especially those who have limited their activities to a single article, do not have as good an understanding of our policies as people who have been around longer. Thus, it is common to give their arguments less weight in these discussions. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

So you deleted her article because I am new? That is weird. You should look at the arguments, and the delete-sayers didn't have any. Lyrda (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Comment, Lyrda (talk I couldn't help notice your comment directly above mine, don't take it personally you would be surprised how few useres on here call the shots I spoke to one person who knew just about all the users that were helping ppl on the chat room. Best thing is to be persistent keep asking questions be nice and its hard but eventually one user will tell you exactly what you need to do to acoplish your talk as has happened with me. Cheers! (Australianblackbelt (talk) 04:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC))

Terry Lim make draft

I noticed the discussion for deletion turned into a Pack mentality... Please Make draft as this article's subject is indeed notable, one of the most famous martial artists in Australia he is over 70 years old with 3000 student under him. More sources will be found from print editions over the past 30 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Terry_Lim (Australianblackbelt (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC))

Done. The page is now at Draft:Terry Lim, where you can continue to improve it. But, please familiarize yourself with our notability guidelines, and our policies on what makes a reliable source. Arguing why he is notable by quoting statistics isn't going to get you very far. What will convince people is adding good sources to the draft. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks I know what I need to do now to establish the credibility of The Latin Australia Times national print edition newspaper thank to a person in the chatroom (Australianblackbelt (talk) 04:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC))

Userfying template

Hi so I'm finally back to retrieve Template:Pro gamer achievements, which was deleted through and afd and had a DrV here--Prisencolin (talk) 23:13, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi. My apologies for not responding sooner. I'm OK with restoring the template, but as I mentioned in the DRV, I'm not up on all the technical details of how templates work. I'll see if I can find somebody better equipped to do this right. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

I've made a request on ANI on your behalf. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Power Rangers AN/I

Hi Roy! As you suggested (and probably expected), the user you speedy closed at WP:DRV has now raised the issue at WP:ANI. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Power Rangers Ninja Steel. KaisaL (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. Thanks for the note. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:57, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

The Smiley Company

Roy,

Hello. I'm interested in learning more about the rationale behind the deletion of The Smiley Company pages as well as the page of Nicholas Loufrani. I'm a fan of Smiley and it was unfortunate for me to see that their page was deleted. Perhaps I can help you curate a page so the Smiley Company has a presence on Wikipedia.

Thanks, Corey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgsailor94 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corey, I'm not following you. I don't see that we ever had an article called The Smiley Company. And, while we don't have an article on Nicolas Loufrani, we do have Franklin Loufrani. Do you have some reason to believe those other articles existed at one time? -- RoySmith (talk) 12:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

I noticed there was an article called The Smiley Company, which was shut down. Can we discuss more why Nicolas Loufrani doesn't have his own page? In conjunction with the Smiley Company along with Franklin Loufrani, I believe Nicolas also deserves his own page as the company CEO:

Nicolas Loufrani is a notable person and worthy of a Wikipedia page in his own right. In 1997 Nicolas was responsible for digitalising Smileys and played a role in the creation of emojis and emoticons as we know them today. Loufrani recognized the growth in use of ascii emoticons within mobile technology and he started experimenting with animated Smiley faces, with the intention of creating colourful icons that corresponded to the pre-existing ascii emoticons made of plain punctuation marks, to enhance them for a more interactive use in digital. From this Loufrani compiled an online Emoticon Dictionary and these designs were first registered in 1997 at The United States Copyright Office and then these icons were posted as .gif files on the Web in 1998, becoming the first ever graphical emoticons used in technology.‪

In 2000 the Emoticon Directory created by Loufrani was made available for users to download for cellular phones on the internet through smileydictionary.com which compiled over 1000 smiley graphic emoticons and their ascii versions. This same directory was then published in 2002 in a book by Marabout called Dico Smileys.‪

In 2001 the Smiley company Smiley Company started licensing the rights for graphic emoticons to be used for cellular phone emoticon downloads by a variety of different telecommunication companies including Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, SFR (vodaphone) and Sky Telemedia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd1hOtxEIVs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgsailor94 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• OK, I'm not sure what I was looking at before, but now that I look again, I see that we did indeed once have an entry for The Smiley Company, which just redirected to Nicolas Loufrani. That article, in turn, was deleted about six months ago as a result of a discussion which I see I closed. I see that this was actually the second time it was deleted; there was another deletion about five years ago. My take on the later discussion is that it might be possible to write a good article about The Smiley Company, but you would have to address the concerns raised in the two AfD's I've cited above. If you want to try to write such an article, my recommendation is to start at Draft:The Smiley Company, and if you have any questions, ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Some good policy pages to read first would be WP:NPOV, WP:CORP, and WP:RS, to get an idea of what we're looking for in a new article. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:17, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

FREAKAZOiD DRV

Hi Roy, could you clarify how that one was a snow endorse? I'd say it was down the middle at the moment. Hobit (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Wow, that was a total accident, thanks for catching it. I think what happened was I closed Enactus, but somehow the automation script got confused and closed both of them at the same time. I've backed that out. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd figured it was something like that. Hobit (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dissociative identity disorder in popular culture

Hi - you closed this AfD as delete but didn't delete the page. Just a heads up. Cheers, ansh666 19:41, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Fixed. There's an automation script which is supposed to do that for you. I did notice when I closed the AfD that an error message came up, but it only said "http", so I had no clue what it was. I guess now I know :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 20:08, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Patrik Macej

Hello, Please can you undelete please article about Czech footballer Patrik Macej, He made his professional debut yesterday, against AS Trenčín. source: [1], thanks in advance IQual(talk) 12:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC)