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Apples are said to be good for the heart

Gifts for teacher and preventative medicine, or so it's claimed. Also used for Æbleflæsk

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Hello, ChildofMidnight! This is just a note thanking you for participating in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with a total of 93 support !votes, 1 oppose and 3 editors remaining neutral. While frankly overwhelmed by the level of support, I humbly thank the community for the trust it has placed in me, and vow to use the tools judiciously and without malice. KV5 (Talk • Phils)

Oriental Theater, Portland

Here you go.

Can I count on your help with a GA → FA drive? Durova³⁸⁶ 20:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

No Comprendo

(Whatever reason the picture is here ... I'm delighted. It inspired me to find a picture of the Globe theater for my userpage.) Proofreader77 ^(interact) 05:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

User_talk:Durova/Archive_75#quick_.28har.29_photo_cleanup Durova³⁸⁶ 16:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas from my semi-retired self

Just checking in, and it's good to see that all is well with you. You are still making waves and getting in the face of covert POV pushers, especially mop-wielding covert POV pushers (and I'm one of the few that see that as a good thing). I'm actually glad to see that you have dropped your bids for adminship. As I pointed out before, adminship is one of the worst things I would ever wish on anyone. Keep doing what you're doing :) Trusilver 07:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Bacon Apple Tarte

I almost ordered one yesterday at this new green organic foodie place on the edge of the campus in Berkeley Gather. The presence of the "e" on the end of tarte and the lack of bread - in France we move the fork to the right hand and shovel using bread with the left hand - made me reconsider at the last moment. The bacon was of course house-cured. Here it is on the menu with cinnamon ice cream. I think this might be one of the new places sprouting up in the USA where people can practice eating creative food in preparation for crashing culinary events in the White House. But what would they do if offered snails eggs, the latest delicacy in France? They apparently taste of soggy paper. Mathsci (talk) 14:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

When it comes to slow food, I prefer pork shoulder sandwiches with a mayo-free slaw. It's an interseting menu. A bit high falutin perhaps, and the burger doesn't seem to come with fries or chips? But at least there was no foam or coulis on the menu. Menus with ingredients from artisanal producers are pretty big now. The coding seemed complex to me, but I guess I'm a spoiled omnivore. Also I'm skeptical of the claims that shipping that stuff all over the place is sustainable. And their idea of affordable is different than mine :), but I'm known to shop at Walmart now and again. High efficiency distribution systems and mass produced wares are very sustainable and environmentally friendly after all. Or are they not?

What did you have? How was it? I had some good Italian for Christmas dinner, after not having it for a long time. It was pretty good. Nothing beats warm fresh baked bread and butter I tell you... I also tried a fresh dragon fruit from an Asian store (the white inside kind). I prefer the dried pieces (red meat) they used to sell at Trader Joe's. sadly the persimmon crop out here got frozen so they're in short supply all of a sudden, and the cherimoya are a bit pricey. I indulged in some Louisiana fried chicken, though, that was absolutely fantastic, and I still have their gumbo in the fridge. So life is good. Are you stateside now? I got to go to Wolfgang Puck's restaurant up there in S.F. once, (Il Pastaio Postrio) and it was pretty great. And I like the Google cafeteria's buffet offerings. It's amazing that their workers get anything done after those lunches.

I was just reading about the skyskraper they had been planning up in S.F., but then I think it got downsized? I'm less familiar with the Berkeley area. The hypocrisy of elitist liberalism (Kennedyism) seems preposterous to me. At least Stanford has Condi Rice to keep them on their toes. Have fun. It's good to hear from you again. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

This was Boxing Day food. Just a wholesome bowl of winter vegetable soup, a bit on the small side, a pizza of the day - with home cured pork (thin slithers, a bit bacony), a very exotic cheese from a local goat, possibly with a sprinkling of nettle leaves - and a locally brewed amber ale. I see that I have become a locavore - so very, very Bay Area. Lucky I brought over from France the foie gras with its confit d'onions and confiture de figue. Oh yes, and the pâte de coing, calissons, biscotins and vin cuit, from the thirteen desserts. Mathsci (talk) 14:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

A place in Beverly Hills does a terrific prosciutto and arugula pizza. Cooked ham is a bit hammy for me, especially on good pizza. There's a brick oven NY style place that's been running a special nearby. As far as goat cheese I'm a big fan of humboldt fog. If you find a Trader Joe's they have some good stuff, even French pastry desserts. The thirteen desserts tradition is quite interesting. Are they left out for three days and then eaten? Or refilled? Cut apples would brown, so I assume they leave them whole? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

If you get a chance try some raw food meals. Quite interesting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

So you didn't try the bacon apple tarte? I'm intrigued by the cooked apple and bacon combo. It seems like they would go well together and theleftorium's Æbleflæsk seems particularly tasty (though rich). This preparation Brændende kærlighed is pretty cool too, but no apples I don't think. I wonder why we haven't seen more apple/bacon combos here, but I think the supermarkets killed our love for apples with the strange glossy giant mutant apples they've been selling in recent decades. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Frederick Heath (architect)

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Materialscientist (talk) 19:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I appreciate you and PHLchai's (sp?) assistance with the hook and all. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, ChildofMidnight. Keep the nice articles coming, eh! :-) Happy typing. --PFHLai (talk) 19:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Circular reference

Can you reply at Talk:Circular reference#Tweaks please. SpinningSpark 20:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I've offered some well-thought-out and insightful conclusions there per your request. You're welcome! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

If you're a soccer fan

you would love this clip from Harry & Paul [1]. :-) --Caspian blue 00:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I was just thinking about you because I wanted to tell you about today's LA Times story about the Cia-Cia of Indonesia adopting the Korean Hangul alphabet. I'm not sure what the significance is, but it seems interesting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I read the news some time ago. That's an interesting news for sure. On the other hand, language barriers can be a comedy subject like the clip. The football manager can survive wherever he goes for the language ability. :-) --Caspian blue 14:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

That's a good clip. I like that they captured not just the language but the tonal and expressive differences in expression. Happy New Year. Is the Korean New Year also on January 1st? I think so. Chinese New Year is later I believe? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you too! Hm..the January 1st is a public holiday in South Korea, but Korean New Year follows Lunar calendar, so its date is same as Chinese one.--Caspian blue 17:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

No hard fellings?

Hey. I noticed that you and I got pretty mad at each other several times during the ANI about you being banned from the page. I just wanted to extend my hand out as a sign that I'm sorry. Thanks!--Coldplay Expért ^{Let's talk} 01:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I didn't have any hard feelings C.E. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. So don't fret. Are you working on any interesting articles? Other endeavors? It seems like ANI is heating back up now that the holidays are over. I'm trying not to look. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the ANI is heating back up. (Im only participateing in the non-drama like sections) As for articles, well Yes. I am finishing up my nomination for the World War II article to become a GA. And im still helping out in the DYK.--Coldplay Expért ^{Let's talk} 01:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

That's a great article to fix up. I took a look and have a couple of quibbles. I don't agree with the "their entire economic, industrial, and scientific capabilities at the service of the war effort, erasing the distinction between civilian and military resources" statement or that all capabilities were used. A lot of civilian manufacturing was converted to aid the war effort, but I don't think it's accurate to say the distinction was erased or that all of it was. Also, were 70 million people killed or did they die? Many died from starvation and disease I think, so I think the killed statement may overstate the case, even if there is a causal relationship with the war, since it's not direct. I also think something about national socialism, Nazism, and totalitarian states should be noted in the opening paragraphs. After all it was the war of ideologies was a big part fot he conflict. And I think it was a war for natural resources and political control. Some mention upfront of the causes and conditions leading to war might also be helpful, and a distinction between the Atlantic and Pacific front might be useful (and provide a geographical focus for the content). The context also needs to be given more as the fighting was mostly between alliances of imperial powers and their client or colonial states. I'm not sure about the "global" war statements either. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Almost all of these concerns have been talked about at the talk page but to no consensus. Thanks for helping out though!--Coldplay Expért ^{Let's talk} 17:30, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Weatherly Building

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Materialscientist (talk) 19:42, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Thank MaterialScientist. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

inre Hunter Ellis

I performed some cleanup and sourcing to the article [2], opined at the AFD [3], and then politely requested the nom consider a withdrawal [4]. Though discussion is always welcome, due to the controversy over the earlier mass nomination, I can see no need for any continued drama on such an obvious keeper. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Whatever pleases you MQS. I think it's a keeper regardless, so I wouldn't sweat it. How have you been? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Disney princes

You must be a fan of disney princes to want a list like that on Wikipedia. Just my 2 cents.--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I suppose it could be broadened out to a list of notable fictional princes, and I prefer generic articles on subjects to list aerticles (although the lists can be useful), but those are content issues for discussion. The article seems sort of okay to me, I'm not really sure on it. I'm more a fan of princesses. Architecture in Star Wars on the other hand, is very notable. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

You could be the little prince/princess of midnight.--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately there are an awful lot of wicked witches running around here trying to ruin my parties. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Oriental Theatre (Portland)

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Good edits

[5]. Much better, well done.--BozMo talk 16:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks BozMo! I try. :) The last section of that article could be fixed up a bit. The quotations need to be attributed. And it's a bit newspapery in the way it recounts events, but I think I'm going to rest on my laurels. Happy New Year. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Working on/ To do

• Mention a tidbit from [6] in appropriate article, regarding Rhodes Mansion on J Street. (make sure it's the right one... sicne there is also Rhodesleigh. But that's in a different area I think, so it should be okay...
• Add a link to these archival photos of Rhodesleigh [7]
• Redirect all the incarnations of Heath & Gove, and Heath, Gove & Bell etc. to a disambiguation page linking to the architects
• Add some Lincoln High School (Tacoma) photographs to the relevant articles [8]
• Add section about Lincoln Bowl to Lincoln High School (Tacoma). [9] [10]
• Add [11] Frederick Heath (architect)
• [12] Frederick Heath (architect)
• University of Washington building s [13] Thomson Hall (144) and Communications Building (153)
• Add new articles to list (including +article edit summary one...)
• See also Russell, Lumm & Lance

ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

More "endangered" architecture and architectural history.

• [14]
• [15]
• [16]
• [17]
• [18]ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
• Blue Mouse and John Hamrick [19], Portland Blue Mouse [20]
• John Porter Clark [21], [22], [23]

David C. Lewis (architect), marginal notability it seems

[24] McMann House, Bend (1916) says he is architect from Portland.

• "Perhaps the most notable architects are Lee A. Thomas and Hugh Thompson" Thomas: Lew Franks Building, BAAC, St. Francis Catholic Church. Thompson designed the "demolished" Capitol Theater, New Redmond Hotel, old Bend High School, Butch Stover HOuse, 1927 addition to Pilot Butte Inn (is this copied from the other older source?) etc. already noted about O.C. Henkle Building (now Claypool Furniture), Kenwood School, Central Oregon Bank (now wells fargo) vandavert and whitington garage, now eddie's garage. Lists builders and designers...

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• Lee Arden Thomas, Thomas and Mercier, Thomas & Mercier (and Mercier?): Egyptian theater [25], more on Egyptian theater [26], mentioned [27], O.C. Henkle Building[28] and restaurant going in [29], Central Oregon Bank Building (home to Frank Inabnit's People's Store[30], mentions St. CHarles HOspital and Church, not sure if these are the right ones. [31] The garage opening announcement [32] Home of Bend Garage Co. corner of Wall and Greenwood [33], LIsting of historic buildings in Bend including Kenwood school etc.[34]
• some random copyrighted photos of a house [35]
• Albert Mercier?

ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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Munir Hussain

There is some discussion about deleting this person's entry. As far as his personal biography goes, although he is a successful businessman and a family man this is not unusual in itself. What is noteworthy about him is the armed home invasion he suffered and the toll he took on one of the intruders. Someone looking on Wikipedia for "Munir Hussain" is going to be looking for information about that event and its consequences, not that Munir was awarded some award, member of this or that, etc.

There are biographies on Wikipedia of people who have become important, and in those cases what school they went to may well be of interest (David Cameron went to Eton College I see), but many people only have their 15 minutes of fame - although I bet Munir wishes it hadn't happened to him. These people are sometimes mentioned in passing in other articles, but in this case it would be difficult to locate a suitable article? "UK home invasions" wouldn't really work?

The problem is that Munir Hussain's name has been associated with this particular event. So the article either has to be a biography of Munir Hussain, which would be of little interest to anyone except his family and I would see little point in keeping it in Wikipedia, or about the event - which is important and I think should be in Wikipedia. What do you think the article should be titled? Aarghdvaark (talk) 18:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

How about having an article on Home invasion in Britain discussing the case and the legal issues being discussed regarding victims of burglary, vigilantism and whatever other issues are involved? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be more like a newspaper article about the state of the nation and the rights of citizens v. law-breakers, just bringing in such events as the home invasion to support a POV. But have a look at the recent case of Akmal Shaikh. I think that shows what I was talking about - there is only enough biography about Akmal to show the relevance of the issue of his state of mind to the court case. It doesn't get listed as an article "Barbaric Chinese Court Practices" or "Chinese executions of foreigners".

I agree about ages changing :) Aarghdvaark (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi CoM -I've moved this thread over to the delete discussion as it seems more open and relevant there. See you there Aarghdvaark (talk) 14:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Editing restrictions

I noticed you edited Barack Obama, have your editing restrictions been lifted? --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Some of them expired, which is why many of the abusive POV pushers are coming after me.

That article and the article talk page are a mess. It's very frustrating to see the level of incivility and abusive disruption that is allowed to go on there. Obviously the powers that be here are unwilling to do anything to put a stop to the abuse carried out by individuals like Tarc. Many in fact seem devoted to aiding and abetting the abusers in an effort to slant the encyclopedia's coverage according to their personal preference (in violation of our core policies).

I can't comment on a couple of the other worst offenders there because editing restrictions on interactions had to be put in place at my request to stop my being stalked and harassed. Violations of those restrictions continue, and some harassment still goes on unfortunately. For example on admin Bigtimepeace's talk page he's allowed repeated violations, despite my pointing them out to him repeatedly. He's also engaged in baiting and other improper behavior to come after me. He's long been colluding to aid those who share political opinions in using the encyclopedia for propaganda purposes. RD232 has engaged in some similar behaviors unfortunately.

Clearly it's not okay to go after editors they don't like in order to push their personal opinions on our political coverage, so it's troubling, but I don't see that I can do much about it.

It will be interesting to follow the Climategate arbcom dispute as some of the same abusive personalities are involved there, but I don't hold out much hope for improvement. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

It's funny how Unitnode has become the talk page's current right-winger. I wouldn't have seen that coming a few months ago. --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I would like to see the discussion focused on article improvements and sourcing. The banter is unhelpful and the level of ownership by the most disruptive characters is damaging. But it doesn't seem worth investing much time in trying to fix things given the political environment here on Wikipedia. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I think some wise editors soon enough realize that these type of articles are just impossible to improve and the stress is not worth trying and it appears to ruin peoples reputation, so let them continue to enjoy the to-ing and fro-ing, the bacon is so much more rewarding and respectful. 22:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)Off2riorob (talk)

That's true. But it's certainly an unfortunate circumstance that such a popular encyclopedia would be distorted by packs of POV pushers and their admin allies. C'est la vie I suppose? I remain optimistic that we can recruit admins who are willing to mediate appropriately and who are willing to uphold our policies fairly. But obviously there is a great deal of work to do towards accomplishing that, including weeding out the most abusive admins and reining in the most abusive editors. That's no easy task given the political structure that exists here. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Well said, CoM. There are problematic admins and problematic editors- the trick is not alienate good editors and admins while dealing with them. WP:AGF can be the best thing and worst thing about being here. tedder (talk) 23:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Irrelevant subsection A

<---Sorry, tedder, but I think the trick is not to alienate me. Most of the POVabusepushers unmentioned by CoM above are, in fact, my socks. Bwuhahaha! Drmies (talk) 00:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

That's true. If it wasn't for you, Tedder wouldn't be what it is today. tedder (talk) 00:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you jokers watching what Freddie Barnes is doing to the vaunted Vandal defense? They said Keyshawn was too slow also. C'mon man! Doc are you counting down to the humiliation of 'Bama Roll Tide nation?

Whoops, Idaho just tied it up. First catch of the day. OT, here we come. Doc I need you to post something nice about me at my RfC. Preferably with a picture of cute puppies or snuggly children or something. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow they're going for two. Seems like a mean move. Won't give Barnes a chance to get his fourth TD. And I don't think that Vandal caught that TD pass. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I was cooking dinner, bathing kids, and putting them to sleep while them potato boys was playing. Funny: my wife and I met in Boise. Anyway, did you see this? Oh, eh, I'm not really sure what an RfC is...link, please? and please tell me what to say, and where to say it? Tedder: thanks! I'm having a cup of coffee in your honor, and I baked some cookies for Mrs. Tedder--I hope she likes dinosaurs and hearts. Drmies (talk) 01:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

RFC: "request for comment". In this context, a "request for comment on user conduct", namely CoM. Here it is: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ChildofMidnight. They tend to be a toothless dramafest. (that comment will come back to bite me, I'm sure). Oh- cookies- mmm. tedder (talk) 01:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

(ec) Hang on, I'm calling child protective services. Are you going to be there for a while? They seem very interested in your interest in sexual bacon goat humor and your comments about bathing your kiddos while cooking and being online. And I think they all voted for G Dub and may have family in Idaho. They don't seem to be taking too kindly your being a "foreigner" either. If you see a white cadillac pull up outside your house with steer horns on the front and a short fat balding dude in white, you've got big problems. ...Just a good ole boy... ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of abusive trolls, drama mongers, and stalking harassers [36], it seems we have a lurker. And he didn't even use the corrected diff where I clarified that 'Bama was a reference to the Roll Tide B-squad team that got rolled by Utah about this time last year. Now the "Euros" will think my comments have something to do with a political figure being promoted relentlessly with biased advocacy by disruptive Wikipedia editors. Now look at the mess I'm in. Who can I blame? Someone call the president. Or Shannon Sharpe. This Nebraska game seems really boring. And the lack of overtime in the last one was a real let down. Times are tough. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

CoM, I think you need to be more clear. Just write a section for me, "by an uninvolved party," and sign my name--they'll never be able to tell. But...ahem...please punctuate UNLIKE yourself, or the game is up from the get-go. Tedder, please don't tell anyone! Drmies (talk) 03:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Me Drmies; speaking Dutchian and somes English; what? Bacon. I sad because Utah beat us last year and now we play the best player in college football and we don't have Dion Lewis on our team; also Mark Barron is known to get beat deep for big scores. Ban Tarc, Bigtimepeace, RD232, PHGUSTAF, Loonymonkey, the weather cabal, Coren, Risker and those who can't be named by CoM (or are too many to list right this moment). We need to uphold the core Neutral Point of View Policy and support good faith editors; because having an accurate encyclopedia is important; even though I'm communist and think the Kennedys are great because taxing other people while I'm living it up is the right thing to do; the vatican doesn't conspire, no sir, perfectly innocent, don't believe the rumors, Calvin (and possibly Hobbes, the cat and the philosopher, are wrong); also I listen to loud music. What? WHAT? Opinion by Drmies; after long consideration; and a few whiskey shots; hang on I'm cooking something; okay I'm back. Now I have to go work on the Clawboy Claw B-side singles featured list article.

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There you go. Feel free to cut and paste. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Did I hear you take my name in vain? -SpacemanSpiff 04:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

You know what, I have the feeling you're not taking this as seriously as you should. And you REALLY don't sound like me at all! Ha, I'm done cooking (and done putting away tools, and cleaning up the paint mess from when we painted the study, and done with the dishes) and I'm actually watching the Nebraska game with half an eye (Good Eats is more exciting, actually: the topic is espresso). I'm going to get a little sip of Famous Grouse and drink to your impending topic ban/block/whatever. Later! Drmies (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Look at you getting all sensitive. See what I get for fulfilling your request. I spent a lot of time making sure that statement was believable, accurate and representative of what you should be bringing to the table in this effort . Yet all I get in return is complaints. Which part didn't you like? I'll revise. I didn't even mention the bay of pigs, socialism, shallots, reformatory school, "social housing", or that pension scheme for idlers article you were working on until Merkel and Sarkozy got rid of it. What was it called again? I'll think of it... ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Actual discussion continued

• It's funny, because I'm far more liberal than they could ever imagine. I voted for Pres. Obama, and I'd vote for him again today. I'm just interested in having balanced, well-written political articles. However, as even the wholly innocuous edit I made regarding Pres. Obama's poll numbers was summarily reverted, I was accused of POINT-iness, UNDUE weight, and all manner of other WikiSins, I'm just disengaging. I would encourage those of you that stick around to moderate your tone, and just keep making them demonstrate their complete and total ownership of that article by making SOUND edits, with no real POV problems. Good luck, UnitAnode 02:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah well, thanks for passing the wall I can bang my head against. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I opened a thread about the situation at the article probation page. You may want to keep an eye on it, but I don't know if you'll want to post there or not. Hopefully the arbitrators will clarify the situation, and let us know where the hell we go from here. UnitAnode 04:06, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Somewhere there's a diff where I was accused of violating 14 or 15 different acronyms with a single edit. I think that makes me like the Freddie Barnes of Wikipedia political article editing. I think it would be funny to go back and look at what the actual change was too. And then there were the dozens and dozens of warnings and hostile attack on my talk page. Oh well.

Article probation page? Is that one of the Obama pages being kept in a particular editor's userspace? Needless to say, it's a good thing I didn't hold my breath waiting for Tarc's edit warring to get added to the violation listing page. Apparently that page is only for offenses by "the others". I'm sorry, but after watching Arbcon's failure to address any of the incivility, camping out, ownership, or other abuses, I have no faith that help is on the way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Someone had a theory that on problematic pages they should just ban anyone who edited it a lot recently, or at least those who are aggressive in discussion and what not, and start fresh. It would be an interesting experiment anyway. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

• It would be interesting, but probably a disaster. You'd have a complete calvacade of socks, from both sides, and even more fighting. Hopefully the arbcom will address the issue. UnitAnode 04:23, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. I've worked on lots of articles with lots of good faith editors. I think the fear mongering about the impending hordes is just an excuse to keep the pernicious powers in place and to preserve the status quo. What's needed is some change we can believe in. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

• There is interesting -- and productive -- discussion happening at the talkpage now. It's surrounding providing a bit of balance to the sub-section on the Nobel. Not a big step, but a step nonetheless. UnitAnode 22:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Be safe-Dream Big-Write Well-and have a great year in 2010 can you believe it... Still working away at it slowly,couple more weeksTinkermen (talk) 07:43, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for John Hamrick

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Thank you very much for the trophy. Were I to go ahead and compete, I'm not sure it would be fair to the other competitors. So giving me the trophy ahead of time and letting the many lessor editors duke it out seems like a good idea. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

It's been quite a year.

Hasn't it? Grundle2600 (talk) 20:31, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey Grundle. Happy New Year. I've never been big on poll numbers, but the unemployment and deficit numbers are definitely pretty big. Still, I'm excited for 2010 and I hope it will be a healthy and happy one for you and yours, and a good one for the U.S. and the world. Party on. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Comedy is a tough business

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment#Request_to_amend_prior_case:_Obama_articles

I'm just amazed by this request and assertion because of the track record[37] and [38]. I think you might want to give your input there. Happy New Year!--Caspian blue 01:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Where to begin? It's definitely not my kind of humor, but I suppose it does fit in the tomfoolery category? :) Maybe someone will post some diffs exposing the irony of the absurd claims made in that filing. I'd prefer to stay out of it, but I will try to follow along. Party on. WHOOP WHOOP!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year Child of Midnight!!

I left you a message on my talk page, but if you didn't see it (see how much I have to learn about templates?) I wanted to be sure to wish you the best for the coming year. Oberonfitch (talk) 03:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Woohoo!

CoM, before I get too toasty: happy new year! Drmies (talk) 04:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year friends

Be good! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Hehe, sorry. Too late! Drmies (talk) 07:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

For what it's worth...

...my comment in your RfC wasn't directed at you. It was directed at people who refuse to sanction editors for misbehaving because the target opinion has a minority opinion in a completely different area of Wikipedia. Sceptre ^(talk) 04:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

AE report

Please see this. You're banned from interacting with Scjessey, and soapboxing on the amendment request page falls under this. Sceptre ^(talk) 00:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)